Moses was High
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- mrdobolina0
When someone has a baby, do you say "What a cute little sinner"?
- robotron3k0
what's you're point?©
- teleos0
That's a lovely modernist and revisionist spin, blueOne. And to some degree probably true. But such abuse of an ancient biblical doctrine, simply demonstrates that sin does indeed exist.
Your born-sinless doctrine is interesting, but sure doesn't seem to reflect reality. We all still seem to bear all the hallmarks of slaves to sin. To be sure, a relationship with Christ continues to liberate people around the globe, from such slavery. :)
- IYOmrdobolina
- it's called FREE YOUR MIND!!! think for yourself... the true teachings of Christ are highly misunderstood by all those taking it so literal!sea_sea
- ..taking it so literal.sea_sea
- ********0
"what a cute little monkey.... he's dynamite!"
"thats my son"
"well whatever it is it's dy NO mite!!!"
- teleos0
Romans 3:22 -24:
This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.Romans Ch. 12 (New Testament):
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned.
- teleos0
Romans 5:15-18:
But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the one man's sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men.
- CALLES0
huckabee
- mrdobolina0
Are you activley recruiting for your religion here, teleos? If not, wtf is the point of typing out graph after graph of this stuff?
- just staying relevant to the discussion (as it has evolved).teleos
- Khurram0
this just reinforces my belief that all Christians (especially evangelical variety) are narcissitic self-haters (it is possible).
It is basically the egos obsession with itself and its fear of oblivion.
I EMBRACE death. I EMBRACE oblivion.
As far as i am concerned, I am already dead. And consequently death is not something to be avoided, but life is to be ACHIEVED.
I am NOT my thoughts, I am NOT my emotions, I am not EVEN my actions. I am a cascade of causalities stretching back into eternity, and stretching forward into eternity.
IMO
IMHO.
- a gnostic strawman. IMO.teleos
- already dead in that there was an eternity before i came into consciousness and there will be an eternity afterKhurram
- the "I" that is the "me" or THINKS it is the self that refers to the person Khurram, that isKhurram
- Gnostic?? Do you even know what that means?? Strawman LOL - whose argument am i knocking down???? hahaKhurram
- "It is basically the egos obsession with itself and its fear of oblivion" I wholeheartedly agree, Kuz.detritus
- splendid post, Khurram - If anything ever existed, I exist now, as a conceptual 'part' of that, and forever more.********
- duckofrubber0
BEST THREAD EVER.
- Khurram0
Haha, you acutally used the word "strawman" in this concept, that's so far out i'm still laughing about it.... sillly you, you use all these words so inappropriately.
You need to refer back to you churches book - "Arguing with sinners 101" :D
- teleos0
Khuram:
Gnostic in that it smacks of a denial of the physical/material, ie. that it is illusory. Unless i've misinterpreted you.
Straw man in that you make a superficial claim about "evangelical variety" Christians [there's only one type of Christian really] and then dismiss it.
- mrdobolina0
you love the sound of your own voice...
- well that's the pot calling the kettle black, innit??gramme
- CALLES0
more like loves the sound of the keyboard clicking
- Khurram0
no actually a "superficial" claim would be, Christians all where blue hats. Was actually making an observation of a set of beliefs called "Christian" based on shit you bin chattin about and the bits you copied from yo book.
Bro - I am NOT denying the existence of physical/material world. And gnosticism is a religious movement that believes in a divine supremem being. Whereas i do not.
I dont even think i have a soul lol. This is way beyond words such as "illusions"... christ... way beyond.
- czawada0
Can animals be Christians? I think my cat needs to be saved.
- your cat will die in a lake of fire on the day of armageddon.mrdobolina
- ooh - yeah, he's right. You will.********
- my cat will drink out of the lake of fire. She won't use her bowl.harlequino
- TheBlueOne0
Teleos, I just don't believe in the concept of "sin" as defined in alot of Christian doctrine - i.e. something that separates us from a personal relationship with god - because well I don't believe in the Christian concept of god, nor do I believe in a deity that takes a personal interest in humans, so I can neither do anything to alienate such a being, nor do I believe one is born "bad". It's a nihlistic concept I reject whole heartedly and believe it keeps humanity from progress against suffering in the world. If one is always walking around wondering about the state of one's personal relationship with this god guy (goalposts, always fuzzy) and trying to stay within whatever are his good graces as interpreted by whoever is making such interpretations in one's environment, well, that's pretty self centered and dysfunctional.
- TheBlueOne0
Furthermore, on the contrary, I believe the Universe is a welcoming place for Man (and mankind) because we are quite frankly here. We belong here. Now, it's not an easy place, nor is it paradise, but everything is here for our use and for us to make the best of it as we will in our experience and accumulated wisdom as a species...
