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- gramme0
If you say being gay is a choice you can then, in good faith, discriminate against them while still feeling all righteous. That is what is going on here.
How about leaving people the fuck alone?
I am not trying to end your religion, but you are trying to end homosexuality. If you can't see the difference in these two stances, then you're fucked.
mrdobolina
(Jun 28 06, 07:18)Dobs, I think that might be what you *imagine" is going on here.
Everybody has problems, 'sin' as some call it, but that doesn't mean it's grounds for discimination. I for one think it's ok to disagree with a person's lifestyle and still be friends with them.
One of my best friends lived with her husband for two years before they got married. She knows I think living that way is wrong, but I don't harrass her about it. I love her like a sister in fact, she's actually going to be in my wedding this fall.
And for the record, I have plenty of problems and things to feel sorry for. I do not consider myself as better than anyone, not by a long shot.
- mrdobolina0
The Salem Witch Hunts were religiously fueled also. Just because God is attached to a message doesn't make it right in all cases.
- mrdobolina0
gramme, my point is religious zealotry breeds discrimination. Not in everyone, but can you see what I mean?
- gramme0
The Salem Witch Hunts were religiously fueled also. Just because God is attached to a message doesn't make it right in all cases.
mrdobolina
(Jun 28 06, 07:28)I completey agree. People often use the name of God to fuel their own agendas. That is neither right, nor is it true Christianity. I think the only way to know if a person who professes Christ is really a Christian, is to look at their behavior, especially if they have a past and have changed dramatically, and see love.
As William Hurt's character says in The Village: "The world moves for love. It stands in awe of it."
- gramme0
gramme, my point is religious zealotry breeds discrimination. Not in everyone, but can you see what I mean?
mrdobolina
(Jun 28 06, 07:30)Yes, I certainly see how that has happened, does and willl continue to happen. I also think it is lamentable, and while I will never be ashamed of standing proudly for my faith, I hope I never use it as a shield for discrimination.
- k0na_an0k0
i have so much to say to so many people. i hope this doesn't fan the flames.
for every person who someone thinks is pushing religion down their throat, there is another person pushing their belief that there is no religion down theirs. it's a never ending cycle. really, who fucking cares. both sides need to mind their own fucking business.
what the fuck happened to this country?
i remember when i was in grade school we had one girl who's family didn't believe in god. every morning went something like this.
..."one nation... (no response)... indivisible, with liberty and justive for all. (no response)."
i don't EVER remember her parents complaining to the school, because their one child didn't want to say the word god and the rest of the 80+ students did.
i just don't fucking get it.
and to those who seem to think christians, and their priests and nuns want to exterminate and end homosexuality you're absolutely wrong, and, a fucking dipshit.
just this past saturday i spent 3 hours at a retreat that my fiance' and i had to attend for the catholic church before we got married. the nun of more than 50 years of service said, and i quote...
"... really, and you can tell the pope i said this if you want to... who gives a damn if someone is a homosexual or not? i believe, and let me tell you... there are MANY more people of the faith like me who feel the same way... that as long as you believe in god who gives a shit (yes she did say shit) who you're in love with."
i'd say a small majority of the people in high power of the faith still believe in the old school teachings, but with time it's changing. and, i feel the media only wants to report the negative shit like this as it's good news.
if i had a dollar every time i heard a guy who isn't married with no kids say "religion is fine but keep it out of the schools" i'd be rich. and i'd like to ask them, why, they want it out of the schools if they don't even have any children. "well, uh... my nephew doesn't need that shit and i don't want that for him", well sir, don't you think that's your nephews parent's choice, and ultimately your nephews choice?
you're basically trying to force your agenda on them, exactly like the very thing you think is being forced onto you. it's fucking comical.
since i stopped arguing politics and religion i feel 100 times better, i think some of you should too. it's old and completely useless.
carry on if you must.
peace.
- flagellum0
gramme, my point is religious zealotry breeds discrimination. Not in everyone, but can you see what I mean?
mrdobolina
(Jun 28 06, 07:30)
------------The error is in equating anybody who has faith in Christ and believes in an absolute standard for morality with "religious zealotry". You need to go back and correct the presupposition you begin with.
True believers in Christ will not discriminate. They will love. Just as Jesus loved the woman at the well, even though he disagreed with her lifestyle. He was gentle with her and his love shined a light on the real issue in her heart.
She went away changed and loved with a real, selfless love.
- mrdobolina0
Kona, why not teach the wiccan religion in schools, or wahhabism?
would you have a problem with that?
- Jaline0
k0na:
"well sir, don't you think that's your nephews parent's choice, and ultimately your nephews choice?"
I agree, except that most kids don't even understand what it really means to be of a certain religous faith or not, and therefore their parents would have to make the decisions. Personally, I think that you should go to a Catholic or christian school if you want someone to teach you about God in an extensive manner. Otherwise, you could just get both sides of the story by going to a public school. Of course, there are a few teachers who don't discuss God at all, but most of the ones I've had have to put some sort of disclaimer on every theory of existence, INCLUDING the notion of evolution.
"since i stopped arguing politics and religion i feel 100 times better, i think some of you should too. it's old and completely useless."
I agree for the most part as well.
- mrdobolina0
gramme, my point is religious zealotry breeds discrimination. Not in everyone, but can you see what I mean?
mrdobolina
(Jun 28 06, 07:30)
------------The error is in equating anybody who has faith in Christ and believes in an absolute standard for morality with "religious zealotry". You need to go back and correct the presupposition you begin with.
True believers in Christ will not discriminate. They will love. Just as Jesus loved the woman at the well, even though he disagreed with her lifestyle. He was gentle with her and his love shined a light on the real issue in her heart.
She went away changed and loved with a real, selfless love.
flagellum
(Jun 28 06, 07:39)and then he sent her to go get reprogrammed and therapy because she was gay...
I am not saying all christians believe the same things, but you should be attacking the people who hide behind the cross for their own agendas rather than the non-believers.
Pat Robertson is more detrimental to how your religion is viewed than Al Franken is.
- Mimio0
Sure Kona, I think a lot people who are perceived by some as "Godless" are just fighting to deinstitutionalize religion from government. Which is the right thing to do for both sides of the fence. Also, I think both sides are vital to public discourse because they represent people beliefs, but they also shouldn't be co-opted to retain power for people and politicians.
- Jaline0
True believers in Christ will not discriminate. They will love. Just as Jesus loved the woman at the well, even though he disagreed with her lifestyle. He was gentle with her and his love shined a light on the real issue in her heart.
lagellum
(Jun 28 06, 07:39)Except most of the people who are very anti-homosexuality are religious people.
- gramme0
Kona, why not teach the wiccan religion in schools, or wahhabism?
would you have a problem with that?
mrdobolina
(Jun 28 06, 07:40)you keep your wasabi and you wicker furniture. I hate that stuff.
ba-dum-cchhh :)
- gramme0
Pat Robertson is more detrimental to how your religion is viewed than Al Franken is.
mrdobolina
(Jun 28 06, 07:43)I agree dobs. I've always thought the devil's favorite place to hang out is in the church. It works better for his agenda to subtly twist the truth, rather than openly trash it.
- k0na_an0k0
Kona, why not teach the wiccan religion in schools, or wahhabism?
would you have a problem with that?
mrdobolina
(Jun 28 06, 07:40)I don't remember being taught about God in public schools. What class was that in?
Jaline. at what age did you realize there was no Easter Bunny? Pretty young right. Kids are smarter than you think, and there is no one way to believe in God. Everyone believes something different.
Anyways. I'm out, I have a bio to write for my new company. It's harder than I thought blowing smoke up my own ass as I write how awesome I am.
haha.
- ********0
Crouwell, dobolina et al,
you deliberately summon flagellum just so you can attack him for your own damn amusement.
You are cruel people. He can be frustratingly didactic, but he's easily a match for any of you intellectually. That's why you hate him so in the end.
WildFlower
(Jun 28 06, 06:58)wha?
what is this on nt that people come up with completely random accusations?
- lowimpakt0
hypocrites and their love.
- flagellum0
What is "anti-homosexuality". How do you define that?
There is a difference between disagreeing with a lifestyle and saying, "I hate them gays!"
Two completely different categories.
- ********0
yeah you're right moth. a persons sexuality should always define who they are.
WildFlower
(Jun 28 06, 06:30)just ask the blacks!
WildFlower
(Jun 28 06, 06:32)I said no such thing as your first comment.
"Black" is a perfectly good description of a....... black person!
"Gay" is a perfectly good description of a....... gay person!
And both are acceptable, and none of them is insulting in the slightest. PC-ness like yours deconstructs language to the point of destroying it altogether - and THAT is far more threatening.
- Jaline0
That's another problem. How do you know which things to cover in school and which things not to cover? If you leave something out it could be called discrimination or leading to assimilation. This is one reason why some people don't want religion in schools...because then you would have to have EVERY religion or belief in schools to be fair to everyone or to be politically correct.
I don't agree with all political correctness because (for example) immigrants should be conforming to Canadian laws and standards. At the same time, we should be allowing them to practise their own religion without discrimination and to feel welcomed into the country.
The percentage of Christians in this country is going down by about 6.2% every 10 years or so.