"friends" at work
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- ilovepill0
first if you are going to approach your boss for a raise, do it because you deserve it, what your friend makes is no-ones business, second dont compare yourself with other employees, this makes you look really bad and petty. a superior would find this jealousness a bad trait and your trust level would really drop because it would look like you only care about yourself and not the company. third do not demand time or money, just try and ask for a review, and forget your friend. you are accountable for your work and no one else.
stand up for yourself but dont use others to try to gain, because it will backfire in your face and you could be fired.
also what ever you, do not complain!
other than that if you dont like it, wait a few months and either ask for a review or get a new job.
good luck!
:)
- blaw0
I might say... "hey the new guy told me he makes twice as much even though I have been with you guys for 2 years and we both have the same experience level"
fusionpixel
(Sep 7 05, 10:19)----
leave your friend's name out of it.
- IRNlun60
friends at work?
no such thing...
- blaw0
this thread should be about sleeping with co-workers then playing it off during the day.
or what dopepope said.
- ********0
ask for a raise
- ilovepill0
ok, i just was pulled into the owner's office and he wanted to offer me a fulltime position over the freelance i am currently doing.
he starts by asking what i was making at my last full time job and i tell him the number aand i cant lie about it becuase he knows and is great friends with my old boss, but i then tell him in order for me to come aboard i would need (x) amount and he says no no no thats too much the position isnt for that high of aa salary, then i tell him he is already paying the weekly salary of that number, so it shouldnt be an issue, he then says that he would be paying my entire health benefits and so on, i then tell him how i was brought on board bec ause 3 of his "superstar designers" quit on him, but yet i am handling all 3 of their work loads without any difficluties, and that the reality is that by keeping me on board he can hold off on bringing other designers. he then says but now isnt crunch time. i smile and say that this company shuts its doors at 5pm and that they do not understand the notion of what crunch time really is. he smiles as he knows i am right, and i add that i wish it was crunch time everyday (that is when i do my best work) under pressure is for me! not stressed but i need pressure! anyways the vice president walks in knowing what is going on and says is everything ok, than the owner states that i am asking for a very high salary, and he (VP) says just do it!
so now i am on hold til next week. i am however not breakable and i feel i am a very strong negotiater, at least now i am, i have leaarned many mistakes along the way.
basicly i know most companies say they give raises but really do not, they just waant to fill the empty seats up and will decide later what will happen.
so my real advise is to ask for it up front and get it in writing. because if you dont, one of your friends with equal or even less experience will walk in and take the cash that could have been your raise for them selves.
hoped that helped!
wish me luck as well!
:)
- shellie0
you're only worth what you can get paid.
- tkmeister0
what epill said.
it's all about nagotiation. i ask for raise almost every 3-6months. it doesn't matter if it's not a company's standard.
if the company values your work, then they'll pay. the world of corporate america abused me and i am gonna take what i can from them.
- johnnyw0
ilovepill: you're in a really good neg. position because you have power over the word "no". You should ideally never walk into a negotiation without being willing to walk away, otherwise you're not actually negotiating, but haggling a little.
fusionpixl: you probably won't be able to get your salary in line with your friend's at that firm no matter what you do. You can probably get it better, but you won't double it. This is the moment where you need to assess the value, beyond the financial compensation, of that job. Can you do better with your career elsewhere?
- fusionpixel0
great advice ilovepill
thanks
- fusionpixel0
Can you do better with your career elsewhere?
johnnyw
(Sep 7 05, 10:56)
---I think that is the only way to go now..
thanks for your advise
- ilovepill0
lovepill: you're in a really good neg. position because you have power over the word "no". You should ideally never walk into a negotiation without being willing to walk away, otherwise you're not actually negotiating, but haggling a little.
johnnyw
(Sep 7 05, 10:56)
i totally agree, the ball is in my hand and my reality is i can always freelance forever, and take what i want, its them that approached me, not the other way around. its them that is needy not myself, i am just waiting to see if they bite, if not, like you said i can always walk away. and i do have the position to do just that if need be.thanks!!
:)
- dopepope0
stop playing with your balls epill
- fusionpixel0
you're only worth what you can get paid.
shellie
(Sep 7 05, 10:52)
---that is not always true
- ilovepill0
ive seen your mother's balls and your mother's balls seen me and dem shits is beaverish!!!!
:)
- dopepope0
interesting response. Where do you come up with this stuff?
- ilovepill0
fusion also remember when you were hired the job market and the economy was in a different place, today is aanother story and i can honestly say that the previous $50k is now being sold as $75k and the previous $75 is now over $110k at least in my industry (product development) so i am going from a 5 figure to a 6 figure and when i strted my lasst job 4 years ago i wouldnt think it was a possibility to make what i am currently bringing in with even 12 years experience, and here i am at 7 years industry experience and i have a nice quality of life! also thats what it comes down to, you can always bounce to a new gig and instantly get at least $15k- $20k or you can stay and try to do it where you already are working, the latter would be more difficult because they are already slaving you, why would a raise be beneficial for them other than keeping a worker wich is extremely replaceable.
"extremely replacable"
every company is just as every employee is as well, dont forget that!always be positiive and life should work for you easier than not...
"you can win the lotto unles you buy the ticket"
so think it thru and make a plan before walking in and asking for more money, be prepared with your answers and be polite!
good luck!
:)
- johnnyw0
ilovepill
(Sep 7 05, 11:22)
i am just waiting to see if they bite, if not, like you said i can always walk away. and i do have the position to do just that if need be.The other thing to consider, of course, is whether or not you really actually want to work there fulltime, or are just flattered that they might offer you what you're asking. If you take a job just for the money it's never enough money...
The biggest mistake of my career was to take a job at a big media company. I asked for 20% more than I thought they would go for (and way more than I was making freelancing) and they didn't even blink. I lasted maybe 6 months before they gave me a lot of money to leave. (Apparently "evil" isn't an approved adjective to describe a marketing plan...)
The point being, if you don't have to settle, don't...
- emokid0
stab him in the neck with a pen while shouting "TRY GETTING A RESERVATION AT DORSIA NOW YOU FUCKING STUPID BASTARD! YOU, FUCKING BASTARD"
