Firefox Sucks!
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- YourClient
I'm probably a non-educated fool, but both Firefox and CSS sucks big time!
Why they must provide us with a way to code with no tables (which is supposedly better) and everything looks so fucked up on different browsers????
- joyride0
I guess you just need to spend some time to learn why css is so powerful. And firefox is great. Learn to code correctly and you'll see why.
- YourClient0
OK, how would you center a DIV both horizontally and vertically flawlessly using CSS? Pretty easy to do it using a 100% all around table in IE and it's so frigging simple, why do I must complicate my life over the complexity of CSS, answer my question and your point would be taken!
- Rowland0
Safari an dnothing else...don't believe the hype!
- dcdomain0
Totally understand your frustration man. When I first made the jump, I was a CSS nut, tried to do everything in pure CSS. I later realized that it's best to use a mixture of both. Check out www.csscreator.com for more help. Good luck man.
- YourClient0
Thanks man, pretty helpful!
- RevoltOne0
I've had a few issues w/ firefox in the past, but you would have to beat me senseless to get IE back on my computer.
Firefox is my choice hands down.
- YourClient0
We're talking about coding for Firefox.
- plashal0
div your hor and vert. ..we use it for oue table graphics...everything in moderation...
- imakedesign0
the reason css is hard at the moment is becuase firefox is the only standards compliant browser. 5 more years and things will be easier. cant wait for a standard.
- jamble0
How can coding for firefox suck when it displays standards compliant code correctly? Perhaps it is you that sucks?
- method_c0
you might be right there, yes
- method_c0
i was aiming @ imakedesign
- YourClient0
IE is still the most used browser still, even 6.0 won't align vertically using table's vertical align property, CSS doesn't have a vertical align property like most think, older methods of laying out are more efficient than CSS on simplicity.
The only reason CSS was created was because some stupid jerk wanted the style separated, from the markup, which to me is wonderful, but don't make it so fucking dificult moron! Who would think about mark up and styles when after 3 or 4 years you can't align vertically at all, then they come to you telling you it's straight forward standards, some other 'bitch' standards that's for sure.
I do code CSS, thank you very much, but when I have to be devising 'hacks' for the main browser so my layout work, then it's a problem, even when IE is not at fully in compliance like Firefox.
Firefox+CSS still suck!
- shaft0
the reason css is hard at the moment is becuase firefox is the only standards compliant browser. 5 more years and things will be easier. cant wait for a standard.
imakedesign
(Feb 13 05, 03:49)
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Then there'll be CSS4, 5 or 7 incompatibility and hacks, just there will be more browsers and each will behave differently :)Sometimes I think CSS was created and is being advocated loudest among those who know nothing about design. Even Zeldman admits in his book css was created by nerds who didn't care about their site's appearance. I am using tableless CSS with no pleasure. After hours of transforming a table layout into css I consulted a css keen friend. "No, I don't think this can be done this way, you have to prepare the graphic files differently and probably.. rethink the design". Fuck. The reason people have been using tables is that they work so well and are great for the job. I don't buy this "tables weren't supposed to build layout structure". I don't care if they were. Tables provide consistent grid and they stretch in every browser in a predictable way. Add a little css and you will build everything with tables.
My opinion is that separation of content and presentation should take place on the xml/xslt level.
I'm still quite new to "pure css", so maybe these are my skills that need to improve. But I don't trust w3c. They are freaks who push SVG over Flash. Most of css nerds I know still think Flash is a vector animation format.
- YourClient0
plashal, 'div your hor and vert'
Trying to sound smart with your poor writing skills, I mean my english is bad, but I would never write 'MT is over REATED' and then blabble with the owner of a suscessful business like a fool.
Damn, that's what I'm doing, but it's called being frustrated after having to code more hours because of a browser that is not mainstream.
- imakedesign0
i think what is clear is that we need standards across all browsers. if its a has to be a choice between firefox or IE i really dont care
As for css for layout i am not so sure i see a clear advantage. the reason i use css for presentaion is so that when a client says ' i want yellow links and a purple background' i can change two bits of code for a 500 page site. job done.
but if they want the left header on the right etc.. is never gonna to be as easy. Also i am a designer, with css layout i feel like design comes in second to getting the bloody thing to work.
- JamesEngage0
CSS is okay if you're just doing crappy old weblogs... cliets could care less if yo've split your design from content, as it is just not reliable. If you know what you're doing with tables you can integrate your code really easily...
CSS is flaky as hell, and alothgh it isa standard, that is obviuosly bollocks if you have to hack it... a client isn't going to tell you to go to hell if you tell em it is standards compliant, but OH. it only works on Firefox.
- BobaFetus0
This thread needs a different title...
YourClient sucks. Big time.
- ********0
I could tell you how.
But you sound like a moron. CSS and HTML, used together correctly, will do what you want.Go back to frames - and css, and you're half way there.
- YourClient0
You know Moth, if you answer the question about vertical centering I'll give you your props, nobody said it cannot be done sucker, it's just that is not logical most of the time.
BobaFetus, tiguere, tu no ERES MAS que un pariguayo en design.
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