Firefox Sucks!
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- Shepstar0
Well CSS is one of the best things since webdesign started. As said before if you have a website with 2.000 pages you don't have to change all pages just the style sheet.
But i still use tables which mostly makes sence.I thing the div version could be cool, but i haven't had enough time to have a look at.
What you can do is nicley shown on:
http://www.csszengarden.com/
- tomkat0
parody thread.
- JamesEngage0
zen garden, smeg garden
- MACAS00
Don't smell the table flowers, they're poisonous, the DIV flowers are cool!
No wonder all CSS sites looks all cheap and for the sake of they can be viewed in Firefox is not worth it.
No more CSS positioning.
- ********0
you all make me laugh...
It is obvious you have no understanding of CSS and it's powers- if that is the case then you should not use it- plan and simple- and if your client wants it and you can not perform the duty then YOU are not the right person for the job.
CSS, and the idea of standards in general, have a lot more to do than with just Firefox.
IE hacks exist because IE is shit- not CSS... and if you believe that all versions of IE render tables correctly you are delusional- IE has plenty of HTML hacks as well...
CSS is the future- and for good reason.
For those who believe you can not do creative design in CSS I laugh even louder...here are a few wonderful examples:
- YourClient0
"It is obvious you have no understanding of CSS and it's powers"
Damn, you sound so dramatic, probably we have a better understanding than what you can grasp, that's why we have the luxury of complain!
Clients don't ask for standards. Fool!
- ********0
Clients don't ask for standards huh...
okay bro.
dude- I sound so dramatic??? You are crying like a little girl becuase you cant understand your work...
You didn't come here looking for advice or knowledge- you instantly start yapping.."Wah Wah I HATE I HATE- EVERYTHING SUCKS BUT ME!"
stick to non-CSS then if your clients dont ask for it and you dont like it- stick to Internet Explorer and all it's lovely bugs if you prefer it. what the hell are you complaining about then-
- vburo0
" Clients don't ask for standards. Fool!"
no, but it is obviously your task as a designer to educate them about the importance of using standards to provide as many people with information as you possibly can.
- welded0
Centering a div vertically and horizontally is easy with css. Firefox and CSS play very, very nicely together. True, it's a pain in the ass to get cross browser code sometimes (I'm a sucker for that sort of thing, unfortunately) and I wish that vertical-align worked more consitantly, but it can be done with patience and education.
The fastest, easier solution is to use Transitional HTML, so if that's what you know then just use that. Leave the positioning and the clients who DO care about standards to those who can do it.
(Just in case you decide we're arguing here, this is one way to center the div:
Position it absolutely 50% in either direction, then set it's margins to be negative 1/2 it's height and width. Done. Finished. [except it doesn't work in IE unless you take the doctype out])
- hUtChhOuSe0
I've recently moved over to Standard Compliant CSS. Seperating style and content makes perfect sense to me. I even have a collegue who deals with the clients and puts together the individual pages of content in a simple text file. I just come along and throw a few DIV tags in.
However, I've had some issues with positioning the layout with pure CSS so I've settled for a hybrid: a single table for the layout with lots of .php includes that are all dependant on the CSS. They all pop nicely into the table...
Once done I run the URL thru the XHTML validator and tweak it until I'm error free (apart from embeded flash! wtf!).
Can't offer my clients a better service than that, regardless of whether they ask for it.
- imakedesign0
Clients don't ask for standards. Fool!
YourClient
(Feb 13 05, 10:26)yeah but they want there site to work on as many peoples sites as possible.
- imakedesign0
* sorry as many peoples computers
- muidlatif0
I support the 'SUCK' to:
No support over TRANSPARENCY MODE in Flash files....!!! Grrr...
We suppose to do a banner ad and need some transparency, it works fine on I.Explorer but the client (Samsung) asked us, why there's black background on the page. it took us awhile to reply back with a very reasonable answer... *sigh.
Other than that, oklah...
- imakedesign0
also renders swf`s sloooooow
- BonSeff0
i love cmyk
- YourClient0
Puter...
behave kiddo, this is not your league, leave adults vent from time to time.
The name is stuck on your head since you heard puter on the movie hackers right?
Is there is a movie about design, should we expect a new name.
- shaft0
(Just in case you decide we're arguing here, this is one way to center the div:
Position it absolutely 50% in either direction, then set it's margins to be negative 1/2 it's height and width. Done. Finished. [except it doesn't work in IE unless you take the doctype out])
welded
(Feb 13 05, 10:49)
===================Why must we know the height and width at the time of html creation?
100% width and height table in quirksmode always works and I don't have to predict the height of the content. Why didn't those nerds come up with a simple and usable centering method?
These are the tiny things that make me think that quirksmode was the best way. It was html 4 adapting to real world needs.
- clone0
not nearly as bad as ie though. the only reason you are having difficulties is because you are making mistakes.
- YourClient0
Clone, we're not talking about who can code or not, everybody here knows what we're talking about, I'm not a 15 year old, I do this every single day, but it just gets me that I have to do so much shit to center something for the sake of Firefox, a compliant browser, the only one out there right now with the potential to become a mayor player, it is not about security or anything else, it's about the shit you have to do just because some stupid ass inventing CSS didn't thought about so many things that are taken for granted using HTML, nobody here makes mistakes when they code, we just code, it's just doesn't need to feel like Assembler dude, if you haven't done anything more than programming HTML.
- AMFA0
there are limitations in any technology. FF, IE, CSS
How you design and what you design for dictates the need for css.
There are a lot of advantages to css...
1. filesize (a good css layout will save 30% of a similar page in tables. may not seem like a big deal, but if you're doing millions of hits, your bandwidth & server will thank you for it.
2.the ability to separate content from design... Again not a big deal if it is only one person working on a whole site, but if you have a CMS system and multiple designers/developers, it helps a lot.
3.More control ... minus some small issues you get more control over the look/feel of your page. trust me... there are layouts tables couldnt even touch and css makes them easy.
4.more asprin.... ok so i agree that when you start to do css layouts you will have headaches like nothing else. but it is worth it in the end.
good luck... css will be standard in the next few years... might as well learn it now...