Firefox Sucks!
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- YourClient0
All that was good, but can you do some positioning as good as using tables? or as simple? Can you do all those good things you were talking about without the hassles of cross browsing hacking, HTML hacking was not as bad.
- AMFA0
you can do better positioning than tables.
*and* you can do better dynamic layouts...
I agree that centered vertically & horizontally is a hassle. (one of the few)
for example, espn is all div layout.
- ********0
whine whine...
A. I never saw the movie "Hackers" .. I should have choose a more inventive name like your for example- I am so unoriginal.
B. Adults? Most adults I know, including my 32 year old self, do not cry about what they don't understand... wait I take that back- my Dad bitched about not figuring out the DVD remote, and usually complains that fixing a 1969 Ford was sooo much easier than fixing a 2005 Honda...
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If picking on me personally helps you solve your CSS whoas I am glad to be at sevice..now back to Frontpage and Dreamweaver with you...
- kolber_tm0
YourClient - I cant believe you can complain about css like this. It is obvious from the title you have no idea whats going on. Firefox and CSS have no real relationship.
Vertical centering can be done, but it goes against a standards based document structure. A website is a neverending document, and as such, they are not constructed to have a 'bottom of page'. Without a static 'bottom of page' you cannot have a middle.
Its coders like you who have destroyed HTML to the point where it is now, where it needs a standardisation campaign.
You work for micrtosoft yea?
- monNom0
css was supposedly the "next big thing" 5 yeas ago too.
back then it had the same problems that plague it today. If the industry can't figure out how to implement a documented 'standard' in 5 whole years, i don't think they ever will.
do what works, or you won't get any work done.
- monNom0
"Without a static 'bottom of page' you cannot have a middle.
Its coders like you who have destroyed HTML to the point where it is now"
---------------- Kolber_tmwhat do you say when a client wants their logo in the middle of the screen?
- ********0
why would they want the logo in the middle of the screen?
how about this:
- ********0
or maybe this:
- mevsthem0
I'll stick with FF untill IE longhorn. But if MS dosn't keep updaitng it ill go back to FF. will see.
- shaft0
or maybe this:
http://www.wpdfd.com/editorial/t…
puter
(Feb 13 05, 21:47)
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Now resize the window to make it smaller than the content. It moves to left and top, it wouldn't with a table layout. Again, with a doctypeless table you don't have to know the size of the content.
- shaft0
"Vertical centering can be done, but it goes against a standards based document structure. A website is a neverending document, and as such, they are not constructed to have a 'bottom of page'. Without a static 'bottom of page' you cannot have a middle."
I told you, those nurds at w3c don't understand visual communication. For them, a website is just a flow of text and images. The idea behind it, to make it readible on every device never convinced me. I understand need for accessibility for disabled, but sometimes it's just absurd.
It's like setting a standard for movie producers to make all movies in a way that is understood by the blind. "you just have to write the dialogs in a more descriptive way, so everyone knows what is going on on screen"
- cybo0
"clients don't ask for standards"
try working for the government.
- hUtChhOuSe0
"It's like setting a standard for movie producers to make all movies in a way that is understood by the blind. "you just have to write the dialogs in a more descriptive way, so everyone knows what is going on on screen"
shaft
(Feb 14 05, 03:57)
--------Kinda true, but the internet is a place to go for information. Film is entertainment. Surely your not suggestinmg we cut the blind outta the loop coz they make our life as designers harder? As it is they must struggle to get to the library only to find none of the books are in braile. It's our job to at least make the internet somewhere people with disabilites can go.
The internet is for diplaying information. Its not really an entertainment platform IMO.
- hUtChhOuSe0
We all want a solid platform whereby we can build sites to look exactly how we want, and can breakdown anyway it needs to: PDA's, speech software, etc...
But I guess thats what the 'web standards' thing is about. We have to go along with it... don't we?
- cybo0
Oh yeah.
Horizontal & Vertical
- ********0
I disagree about the internet not being an entertainment platform... the beauty of the internet is it WHATEVER you want it to be.
I am a believer in standards "keep it simple stupid" - but I disagree with most standard diehards, and especially supposed usuability people- even though I practive most of the same things. Why?
Because I believe the internet CAN be entertainment- it is in a trillion households across the world and entertainment has just as much value on the web then information.
But- what most anti-CSS people don't get is- standards do not need to be bland and dry. Look around at website coming out the past 2 years using standards- designers are learning how to personalize them. What is good about the idea of standards is that "hopefully" someday every page will load the same way on every browser and can be accessed on any device- even if you have a very visual design scheme- because the design is separate from the content- ALL audiences can enjoy it- those with or without disabilities.
- cybo0
- hUtChhOuSe0
I do agree with you about the entertainment thing Puter.
But, although *we* benifit from broadband, fast machines, large monitors and an afinity to understand what we are seeing onscreen, I'm not so sure the rest of the world is up-to-speed.
Most people I know (who aren't designers) use the internet to find things out or buy things (that's where I want solid standards).
Most of my friends still freak out if they are told to download the latest Flash Player. They simply dont understand what it is.
Very few sit there and trawl the internet looking for entertainment like I do.
But it's probably coz they've still got a life left...
- ********0
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Yes folks the internet is entertainment!
Roll up! Roll up!
All the fun of the internet!
Roll up! Roll up!
The internet is entertainment, buy your tickets now folks.
*unless you're blind in which case fuck off to the library and get yourself a nice wee talking book, eh?