For a better tomorrow.
Intent is the magic key that converts non-art into art. You intend to produce something as art, rather than producing it for it's typical use or for a non-typical but still functional use. Of course, you don't need to produce the object or piece yourself.
You build a fence around your yard - not art.
You paint your fence - not art.
You paint a picture of a fence - art.
You paint an image of another fence on your fence - art.
You take a photo of your fence so you'll always remember what a swell job you did and what a fun day that was. - not art.
You take the same photo of your fence but instead claim the image represents all the freedom we have lost by buying into this suburban idea of a home and a yard while we borrow a little more money or sell our soul to an evil employer to build a nice colourful fence around us to imprison ourselves in our silly ideals. - art
Years later your fence falls apart and someone takes a piece of it and puts it on display and claims that it represents something else. - art
You build a fence inside an art gallery and claim it represents something else. - art
You build a fence inside an art gallery to keep people from going into the bathroom that is currently under construction - not art.
You build a fence inside an art gallery to keep people from going into the bathroom that is currently under construction but actually it was never under construction, you're just making a point about behaviour in humans and assumptions of reality - art.
It's all about intent. The intent may happen before the piece is produced, or you may take an object and convert it into art simply by calling it art.
- Haha "making a point about behaviour in humans and assumptions of reality" That would be interesting 'art'Ianbolton
- The idea that intent matters goes against a lot of modern artistic interpretationreanimate
- I thought the idea of Pollocks work was to find the unintentional?Ianbolton
- Good points & great examples. I would add that intent is not enough, what you produce would also have to be accepted as art by the art institutions.ORAZAL
- I am not 100% behing the insitutional theory of art but we are all going to talk about it we need a common base that can be easily defined.ORAZAL
- lanbolton you are confusing intention in the process and intention of the outcome.ORAZAL
- true. He intended to make the outcome look unintentional,Ianbolton
- @Orazal: If your have intent but are not accept by institutions, you have still made art. It's just shitty art, probably.nb
- ... or you're deeply misunderstood and ahead of your time. But, more likely you're just making shit art.nb
- wouldn't it classify art as construct?yurimon
so..... what isn't art?
- Its a demonstration of a skill that expresses beauty.yurimon
- not talking the perverted beauty you see in the corruption of your soul.yurimon
- ^ not artyurimon
- I don't think art is about beauty.pango
- its modern perversion. you are talking about art in the age of propaganda.yurimon
- Lol rightpango
- So... Which century are you from?pango
- Do you have a relevant perspective of the current time? Or is earth still flat to you?pango
- yurimon is so pretentious he makes me want to vomit.inteliboy
- i should film it. "Yuri. Vomit performance art, mixed media. 2015."inteliboy
- I'd watch it.pango
- Art isn't about skill...you MORONSmarychain
- Are you incapable of discussing without insulting and dismissing? It's extremely narrow minded of you to approach this as if you're the final word.monospaced
- nobody is dismissing. its obviously art is control of the modern psyche, in the way is handled in modern times. I see modern art more of a dissectionyurimon
- to me its no different then religion.yurimon
- its pure intent is lost in the reflection of a corrupt people of modern society.yurimon
I'd say anything that is purely functional and without an attached emotion isn't art. Like a LAN cable is cleary not art.
But you could take said thing and give it a thoughtful design, expressing a particular statement, and you could argue that it is now art. The mac g4 cube for example was exhibited at MoMA.
- The act of showing it at exhibition made it art...
- I guess some one thought it was.inteliboy
- a lan cable is an elegant solution to a problem, which could be considered artscarabin
- exactly, scarabin ... in fact, the art of product design and industrial design is strong with something like the form of a lan connectionmonospaced
- Yes, yes...the Bauhaus already figured this out....did you guys not go to school?marychain
- Yes we know all about it. We are pointing out we see the art in it despite its purely functional design.monospaced
- how purist you want to get with the concept.?yurimon
- Depends on how high I am. I'd me more interested in hearing the opinions of the guy who designed it.monospaced
- do you even smoke bro?yurimon
- The act of showing it at exhibition made it art...
I figure anything (unfortunately?) could be classified as art with the right pitch (bullshitting).
- Wrong answermarychain
- I'm with mono on this one.pango
- Of course you are. You're both very confused.marychain
- ha that's the worst argument.pango
- Wrong. It's about intent. if you're bullshiting....you'r... masking intent.marychain
- I disagree. Many things are considered art even when they were not intended to be.monospaced
- Do tellmarychain
- Some people take aerial photos of farmland and call it art, even though the farmers didn't intend to make it beautiful.monospaced
- It really boils down to how you look at something. Some people collect items and their simple placement in the same space is called art.monospaced
- Anyway. No need to get nasty or tell me I'm wrong. Just trying to have a real discussion.monospaced
- whoooboy...I don't know where to begin.marychain
- It does not simply " boil down to how you look at something" where did you get that? Your aerial photo example is rife with problems also.marychain
- It's my view. I didn't get it from somewhere. I'm also not alone.monospaced
- why argue with monodoesnotexist
- I don't even see the argument here. At what point does art become objective?Ianbolton
Seriously thinking about having a professional movie extra career on the side... lol
- leading role pays better, maybe they'll make itchi the killer 2moldero
- Nahhh i prefer getting paid for doing nothing. and being fed.pango
- u in LA?pockets
- you only get like 50 bucks a day. i did it in collegescarabin
- ehh, 200+ around here / daypockets
- Vancouver bc. Ya 200. Union. Overtime pay. Food. A lot of waiting. Could just bring books to read. Lolpango
- all the US 3d effects/parts of the movie industry moved there for cheaper tax not to long ago.. makes sense..seen LA extras get over $300 6/hrspockets
- Sacrabro. the trick is you gotta get in the union. maybe they didn't have that when you were in high college.pango
- punches for?bklyndroobeki
- sounds like we're in the wrong business!scarabin
- Gosh, no wonder movies cost so much to make. Do movie crews make more?omahadesigns
- do itsea_sea
- well. can't really do it as your full time i guess... cuz you might be busy for 3 months and 3 month no work.pango
- I recently met a guy who does this. He landed roles in pretty big movies although only for like half a second.yuekit
- @omaha - the crews make bank. it's a sweet gigGnash
- I could see pango in moviespinkfloyd
- Btw. they already have itchy the killer 2.(well prequel) and it's like a terrible student film. so bad...pango
i have asshole cream all over my arm because i got stung by a Portuguese man o war today.
- ouch dude. you aight?cbass99
- stung by a Portuguese man?? wat? asshole cream? Arm? LOLpango
- it stung like a mother fucker, it wrapped all over my arm, its good now though, i guess this hemorrhoid cream works like they saidmoldero
- the sting fucks with your heart for a couple hoursmoldero
- it felt like someone was squeezing itmoldero
- Who or what is a Portuguese man?!?pango
- We use to drench our arm with vinegar from the local Subway sandwich shop.HijoDMaite
- yikes. those fuckers are dangerous. tigers got nothing on them.jaylarson
- the ocean fights back!sea_sea
- Moldy... I'd pee on your arm any day. just so you know.pango
- I did an asshole cream this morning after those quasedillas last nightset
- LOL @ pangooey
- Opened qbn and my co-worker walked passed, looked over my should, read this comment out loud and said "asshole cream, nice"set
- looks like rosey picked a knife fight with somebody bettermoldero
- looks goodieutopian
- ... This actually looks really good.necromation
- Looks good. Unnecessary but good_niko
- Bodie looks fat!Al_dizzle
- Title makes no sense if it's not about surfing.monospaced
- I hope they keep this scene:
Ate mushrooms 3 days in a row at the music festival. @.@ I can now taste the color of time.
- Taste the colour of time haha niceset
- What color is it?dasohr
- lo_ _oIBen99
- Synesthesia is funGnash
- ...but you, the real you, will never come back!oey
- lol @ double rainbowpinkfloyd
So, us will be leaving the City this week, heading east to another state. Just so happens that in the last week of my 10+yrs here in shitville some douchwad breaks into my car, which is parked infront of my soon to be abandoned house and steals my goddamm motherfucking ipod with my carefully curated collection of metal and pirated music. fuck you cunt. i hope you get ear cancer. jerk. i am so pissed off...
- sorry to hear man. people are assholes.lvl_13
- sorry man. no backup?pango
- maybe 50% of it is backed up somewhere. the rest is a goner... I want to cry right now. I just sold most of my CDs too...dasohr
- you leave your iPod in your car?Ben99
- Forgot about taking it out... Usually it's in my pocket or my backpack.dasohr
- i leave my iphone in my car with the keys in the ignition every day all day "mexico is so dangerous"moldero
- sucks to hear dasohrmoldero
- wait, people still use iPods?mekk
a semantic argument can be made that every name is subjective but that line of flavorful reasoning doesn't interest me. from a purely scientific stance, we are beings of order. from gluttony to obesity, humanity and even life itself is moving along a trend of becoming more and more tasty ie more fatty. from a single celled tomato to the mess we are today, saying we are product of our stomach is just wrong. Pizza itself is the miraculous order out of the chaos. remind anyone of the first bit in the book of dominos? this is where the cheese crust comes in, the divine scent of it all. one day billions of years ago the simplest form of nutrition organized itself and through the goodness inherent in life itself has become ever increasingly more complex. complexity=order, the dead void of your sphincter=entropy. 'oregano is good' is the only subjective condiment i'm willing to make here, everything else is just pasta. thin or thick is that which is conducive to a decrease in stomach gas or diarrhea. on a personal level think the ten toppings, on a universal level think classic recipe which rip apart matter into it's most basic components. as for a formula for creamy garlic Parmesan sauce, grilled chicken, hardwood smoked bacon and diced Roma tomatoes, cmon now this is a discussion, lines get blurred, you gotta be flexable. the tenet that pizza is life is the only presumption here, the rest is basic natural science. pizza=life cheese=death pizza and cheese are too simple to warrant some kind of complicated formula. its all pretty simple really
- why is this not true?ORAZAL
- spoken like a true italianscarabin
- i see what you did theregilgamush
- Did you realise when you were writing it how powerful it would become,
this is an universal message you wrote there mate, good job!georgesIII
- You're talking to yourself now? That post is awesome though!ORAZAL