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- drgs2
- Pretty sure its not that much liquidity on the Tron network lol
All these are "paid" in crypto, not real moneygrafician - It’s real enough to cash out.monospaced
- mono can you explain how?grafician
- I honestly shouldn't have to, for ridiculously obvious reasons, considering buying and selling crypto with real money is quite regular these daysmonospaced
- Uhm...are you sure?grafician
- yes of coursemonospaced
- you seem confusedmonospaced
- Why exactly do you keep commenting on stuff you really have no clue about?
It's beyond me why you keep commenting after me smhgrafician - But to give you an answer like to a 5 yo, it's like trying to cash out 10M from an ATM next to a casino on a Saturday nightgrafician
- Except it's more like clicking "sell" on an exchange instead, on any day of the week one desires.monospaced
- Hahahaaahahahahahaha...
Name one exchange that cashes out tron you moron
NOT available on Coinbase!grafician - This is why you should shut the fuck up when it comes to stocks, crypto, space tech, any tech even apple, and more, you're really clueless most of the timesgrafician
- I also love your battles with pr2 about vaccines, you're also embarrassing yourself on that thread toografician
- I'm not talking about only Tron, and of course people can buy and sell crypto. People do it all the time. I'm not a moron.monospaced
- The reason you're downvoted, btw, is because you're a condescening jerk, not because you're owning anyone.monospaced
- Crypto, as you know, has a monetary value. It is regularly bought and sold, and that action is how the price fluctuates. I'm not wrong.monospaced
- Yes you are a moron, yes we are talking about fucking tron as you commented you can cashout that 10M in tron stop trying to change the subject LOLgrafician
- And I call you an idiot because you actually are one, it's proven by now.
Btw most of the content I post is factual,grafician - that means is like arguing the Earth is flat just to add a new comment
You're literally a maga people monospaced, whatever I say, you think you know bettergrafician - and fail miserably ofc
Again, trying to cashout 10M in tron is like ttrying to cash out 10M at an ATM
Can you cash out 10M at an ATM near you?grafician - Also I'm not a condescending jerk, is that some of you idiots think you know shit and try to flaunt some vague info around - STOP! You know exactly shitgrafician
- in this case about tron, crypto, liquidity in crypto, cashing out crypto, exchanges, and so ongrafician
- Know your limits, post some nice banners, talk about apple or whatever the fuck you know at least a bit better but stay the fuck out of my comments lolgrafician
- *yawn, people do and can sell crypto, it happens all the timemonospaced
- I never even said tron, did I? I'm not a moron, and yes you are being a jerk, a condescending one. Trust me.monospaced
- Your justification for why you're not condescending is the very definition of condescending. You're in total obvious denial.monospaced
- Finally, the idea that crypto exchanges are like an ATM of cash is stupid af, and even you know that.monospaced
- I ONLY said that Crypto isn't fake and can be cashed out as real money. This is true and undeniable. Everything else is you just being triggered AF.monospaced
- cooldoesnotexist
- Pretty sure its not that much liquidity on the Tron network lol
- microkorg-2
I bought a Fatale.
https://opensea.io/collection/fa…- Hi, I am 5. What is art? I need to go pee.Nairn
- You bought some shit from deviantart.face_melter
- mommy is that you?doesnotexist
- Nairn2
"Fake Banksy NFT sold through artist's website for £244k"
- Nairn1
is there any way to enclose/hide a hash or value in an NFT that only the owner can see?
- i suppose this goes for all ETH transactions. Can you have a transaction that contains a proof only checkable by the owner?Nairn
- I mean, one that doesn't give away the fundamental value of whatever ETH was thrown at it.
A value inside the proof.Nairn - 'cos if so, they could use that value to be the seed of whatever individualised reproduction process was on offer - printing, etc.Nairn
- The owner could print [etc] off variants that had a thumbprint overlay proofing within the context that could be then checkable against the hash.Nairn
- Wait. obvs.
They could still be copies.
This only works for printed stuffs.Nairn - How the fuck do you have a hashable one-time consumption digital article? You can't. not within current tech, anyway.Nairn
- ^
That's *shareable*, I mean.Nairn - I can physically restrict people from accessing the original Mona Lisa, but I can expect fuck-all control over anything digital, therefore I can't possess.Nairn
- Therefore any signature I or anyone else may choose to recognise, is utterly of no consequence.Nairn
- Don't mind me, I'm just doing my thing here, uselessly.Nairn
- I really am trying to see the value in NFTs, at least somehow.Nairn
- Hahaha, that was fun! I agree, though, I am still trying to find 'real' value in any NFT. The contract thing, maybe, but still cartoons for $100k, BUBBLE!!formed
- Nairn, some platforms allow 'unlockable content' which is only available to the buyer. So this could be a link to a Google Drive....microkorg
- ...where the 'actual' high res image is stored for download. And the 'thumbnail' shown on the platform had a watermark.microkorg
- To me too this would be the sensible way to have 'done nfts'. You couldn't introduce it now cos no one would be clicking a thumbnail with a watermark to buy it.microkorg
- monospaced0
I downloaded this Fatale. Didn't pay anything for it, though. Enjoy.
- at least get the full res:
https://i.imgur.com/…
lolsted - i feel sad for the ones who uploaded their stuff in pritable sizes...sted
- Here mono this one suits you better: https://pbs.twimg.co…grafician
- You guys should totes start your own anti-nft threadmicrokorg
- I'm not anti-NFT, though. I don't fully understand them, and I'm okay with that, because I haven't heard any rational explanation for them yetmonospaced
- NFTs are an investment, just like stocks. You understand stocks, right?palimpsest
- If I download the Apple logo I don't own AAPL stock, it's the same for NFTs. When you buy a stock you get a stock, when you buy an NFT you get an NFT.palimpsest
- Buy low, sell high.palimpsest
- Oh, that's interesting.monospaced
- at least get the full res:
- PhanLo9
- https://www.instagra…PhanLo
- https://superrare.co…palimpsest
- Restless N
https://www.youtube.…face_melter - *Restless Nativesface_melter
- So goodHayoth
- best NFT eversted
- lolGuyFawkes
- it shows the absurdity of the thing yeaBennn
- PhanLo-2
- microkorg0
The NFT platform HEN (https://www.hicetnunc.xyz/) can host interactive works built in HTML5.
Last night I wrote the first actionscript I've written in maybe 15-18 years in Flash (Now 'Animate'). It took me about 4 hours but eventually achieved a working prototype of exactly what I wanted to achieve to create generative interactive artworks.
Not been this excited about web/art/interactive shit probably since the death of flash.
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If you struggle to navigate or 'get' HicEtNunc then check out https://objkt.com/
It's a site using all HENs data but presents it in a MUCH better and searchable way! ;)- The platform can host works in HTML but can NFTs host them?
Should I buy the NFT or a subscription to the platform?palimpsest - NFTs are the Ivermectin of crypto. Everybody is talking about them but nobody is really talking about them.palimpsest
- serious question, are you hosting assets on IPFS?fadein11
- fadein11. HEN hosts the assets on IPFS. I don't do any hosting.microkorg
- Palimpsest, the artwork for an NFT isn't hosted on the blockchain yet but that will come certainly for image/video. I'd hope HTML could be done too.microkorg
- And probably the time will come were an NFT automatically transfers the rights for an artwork. But at the time an NFT is only an NFT.palimpsest
- What does this platform enable you to do that simply doing this on the web doesn't? Serious question - it sounds like it's adding some functionality?Nairn
- And at the time we are only buying and selling NFTs, if we are clear on that I have no problem with it.palimpsest
- Yes, for the moment we are only buying and selling NFTs with an associated image.microkorg
- "with an associated image"palimpsest
- That is the point we don't agree with, and for some that is the main NFT selling point.palimpsest
- Nairn, its a sales platform. Like using eBay/ETSY to sell rather than your own website. Already an audience using + searching on there.microkorg
- The "artwork" takes no part in the transaction just as "happiness" takes no part in the transaction of buying Coca-Cola.palimpsest
- Of course it would be easy to argue that happiness does in fact take part in that transaction but we all know what we're talking about here.palimpsest
- @mk - ah, ok - I thought it was allowing you access to some kind of inate blockchain randomness, or something. As you were!Nairn
- As in the experience of happiness inmediatetly precedes the act of buying Coca-Cola. Before opening the bottle you have already secured happiness.palimpsest
- But, yes, they are selling you happiness and you are buying happiness. It's a transaction that takes place outside of the physical world.
Live your truth.palimpsest - https://core.ac.uk/d…palimpsest
- The artwork is the objet a, the unattainable object of desire.
I'm just here for the lulz.palimpsest - I really have no argument and am fully aware of your points however I have no qualms with what an NFT is or is not.microkorg
- As much as I agree with you, P, you're deep in https://gracecentury… country now.Nairn
- I'll allow it.
I know I got carried away at the end there.palimpsest - I'll be honest with you, I'm sort of coming around to the concept. Not, at all, that I agree with it, but then I can't agree with owning the image of art anywayNairn
- I have an art-dealer friend who, amongst other things, sells 'multimedia pieces' on USBs. This is 'valid'. It's equally ridiculous.Nairn
- I suppose I agree with the singular, attributable nature of "Person X owns this property", like some grand internet database, but. Meh.Nairn
- I suppose the difference with my art-dealing friend is that he doesn't put the digital source representation on the internet for all to share. Hmm.Nairn
- I have some opinions on that, the first comparison that comes to mind is video pieces that don't depend on the means of projection.palimpsest
- We should exchange on that further.palimpsest
- I think I concur.
https://i.pinimg.com…Nairn - Multimedia pieces on USB - Straight from the mid 2000's? ;)microkorg
- While looking for an example of the best use of NFTs I remember having seen here I realized it was microkorg that had done it!
https://www.qbn.com/…palimpsest - This is the only piece I've seen that takes the medium into account. These NFTs are about the act of collecting itself.palimpsest
- Add a "/" to the link above or try this one here:
https://www.qbn.com/…palimpsest - Thanks Palimpsest. Sadly that wasn't a success, sold like 3. As it's a 'scottish' thang the market was scots/scots ancestory so a limited market.microkorg
- was a hard graft to get those sales, lost of social on twitter. but like you a lot of friends and colleagues (scottish) thought it was an awesome idea.microkorg
- The platform can host works in HTML but can NFTs host them?
- cherub0
@microkorg: I stopped minting regular NFTs one day to focus solely on minting my first interactive NFT. I was really excited because I knew it would be a challenge of my tech skills. One thing I noticed is the "preview" function on the HEN mint screen doesn't work correctly on a interactive .html NFT mint.
Since the preview didn't work, I decided to change plans and mint an interactive .svg instead. I didn't know what a pandora's box I had unleashed. It's been weeks, I'm stuck. Svg is so hard to make interactive. I'm over my head. I wasn't trained for this.
I'll come back and update the thread but for now I'll say about making an interactive .SVG
-The standard isn't even fully defined. (the biggest problem)
-There are several protocols, and they aren't supported evenly across browsers. (opera being the most supportive of svg)
-Multipage support inside .svg is possible but you have to use a hack since the official .svg standard doesn't support multipage. There is an inkscape extension that will create a multipage .svg using layers.
-Overall, support for .svg is hard to get. This is cutting edge tech, if you are deep into .svg you are a pioneer. But that also means there is no one to ask your questions to when you get stuck.(which is what happened to me)
- What are you using to make it interactive?
Have you tried p5.js?palimpsest - I have a bit of experience with d3.js and that works well with svg (static output). I don't know what limitations you have when hosting it.palimpsest
- Cherub, if you have any previous experience in Flash you should check out Animate. You can output as HTML5 then tweak slightly to upload to HEN.microkorg
- I've finished building something tonight and going ot test and hopefully mint over the weekend. SO happy with what I've built.microkorg
- Its basically a piece that creates random generative artworks in 'my style'. You can right click to save as PNG on each creation...microkorg
- ..im not sure whether to mint It or to keep it to generate hundreds, thousands of original artworks to sell individually ;) (shhhh!)microkorg
- I'll report back if HEN likes/dislikes this filetype. But it was OK with the (much simpler) prototype I minted to test last night.microkorg
- Update. Not minting on HEN yet. Speaking to a developer about folk being able to mint the random creations on my site. Whaaat!microkorg
- What are you using to make it interactive?
- microkorg4
Here's some outputs from the random artwork generator prototype I built on thurs/fri night.
A the click of a mouse it generates artworks in the style of NFTs I sell on HEN. Each is a completely random composition.
Initial idea was to mint it as an NFT itself on HEN but now I'm talking to a dev with a goal of potentially folk being able to keep clicking until they get a composition they like then click a mint button to mint it as an NFT on the blockchain. Pretty exciting!
- *At the click of a mouse...microkorg
- NFTs on demand?palimpsest
- Despite our difference of opinion on what an NFT is, It's great to somebody working around the concept.palimpsest
- Yup. ;)
I wouldnt have to do anything lol.
If proceeding I'll add more graphic elements to make it even more random.microkorg - Thanks. Yes, I think doing something different is the key to pushing forward. Getting stuck in an infinite loop of folk creating 10k profile pic cashgrabs...microkorg
- ...is not doing the 'scene' any favours especially to the outside world who think its all just a pisstake. There are serious artists trying to push boundariesmicrokorg
- The art generated is beautiful. Well done! But I still don’t understand why anyone would buy an nft. Sorry.monospaced
- Great work. Let us know when you mint/release. I'd be stoked to pick up my first NFT from a QBN'r.mandomafioso
- superbfadein11
- palimpsest1
@Nairn
On exchanging further....When the first articles about NFTs popped up, the most common way of explaining them was using the example of the Mona Lisa. The idea was that an NFT was comparable to the original painting while its replicates were cheap copies of it. While viewing the original or the copy of the painting is a different experience it can be argued that there is no difference when viewing a digital work on one screen or another (staying within reasonable boundaries).
I've repeated too many times here that I don't consider NFTs as the artwork or containing the artwork but for the sake of argument I will leave that opinion aside for now.
If we look at video works we can separate them into two broad categories. There are works that are dependent on the setting and material used, like the works of Bill Viola. And there are other works that can be experienced in any setting. The first that comes to mind is the video works of Ivan Argote. I first saw Argote's work at the Perrotin gallery on a 24" monitor much like the one I use at home for work. The experience of this artwork does not depend on what it's projected on. I have posted a video of his work on QBN before and you can get the same experience by watching it at home as I did in the gallery. As a spectator there is no difference when experiencing the "original" and the "copies". When it comes to digital work there is no original. When viewing digital files side by side there is no difference, which can't be said for a painting.
In the traditional artworld, as an owner of a digital artwork you are buying the rights to the work rather than the object itself. The work could be provided on a USB, DVD or a download link, the support itself is not important to this type of work. If someone were to exhibit the work, the owner wouldn't even need to send the physical objects, a link would suffice, since there is no difference in the file in the DVD or one on the cloud. If you were to consider the original working file (AI or PSD for example), you wouldn't need to go through an NFT, you could just quote the client for the job and send them the files as we do as graphic designers everyday. NFTs do replace a contract of the transfer of rights. As I see it NFTs provide no innovation as regards to selling art.
I am no expert on NFTs, I haven't seen many of them and the few I have seen have not provided anything valuable, to my eyes, as regards to creating art. What did catch my attention was microkorg's work NFT Tartans:
https://www.qbn.com/reply/401398…
He worked directly with the medium and the idea of collecting. He even set up a difference in price between a member and a chief. The artwork associated with it was not the selling point, it was rather the sales material for the NFTs which he did a great job on.Bringing in back my opinion on an NFT not being technically or legally capable of containing or representing the ownership of an artwork:
I believe it is as stupid for NFT creators to claim they are selling art as for the buyers to believe they are buying art and for the naysayers to claim they own the NFT because they have a copy of a jpg from the internet. The only value I see in a NFT at the time is for small-scale patronage, much like Etsy, where the buyer is sending money in exchange for a digital autograph from the creator. Or for yet another speculative system which I have no interest in exploring. "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's".My interest is in art. Warhol's Brillo Boxes asked the question of what made his boxes art as opposed to the ones found in the supermarket. To the naked eye there is no difference between Warhol's and the supermarket boxes. However, Warhol's boxes are art because they had precisely started this discussion.
I will leave you with a couple of quotes from Robert Irwin :
"Art is a continual inquiry into the potential of human beings to perceive another world with an aesthetic bias. What we see is the artworld which is not art per se, it is the process of how art is being innovated, and corrupted at the same time, into the world.""When one makes an object, you’re not really making the object as much as you are honing your own sensibility to make the object, your ability to decide and make choices."
- NFTs have nothing to do with art. Buying NFTs is buying some receipts. Just a scam to increase crypto adoption giving a front to launder crypto+money.grafician
- The fact that best selling NFTs are sketches of rocks or pixel avatars and NOT real digital art says it all.
Digital art was the bait & people fell for itgrafician - Art is just the first big adopter of NFTs.
Next will be Gaming. Then it'll be absolute mainstream.microkorg - QBN is amazing. There is no art in NFTs. But I'm glad I left it open enough for enough for you to make your own conclusions.palimpsest
- Erratum:
NFTs do NOT replace a contract of the transfer of rights.palimpsest - I would like to know your views on what NFTs contribute to art. Ideally in a post rather than multiple sidenotes.palimpsest
- "[NFTs] have not provided anything valuable, to my eyes, as regards to creating art."palimpsest
- shapesalad1
- shockerKrassy
- you mean it's all an insider's club based on who you know and your sales are based on your network of like minded influencers. I am shocked . shocked.jonny_quest_lives
- so joining the .eth gang of influencers is not a sure ticket to financial freedom?jonny_quest_lives
- Isn't all artists sales/success based on their network of like minded influencers? In the whole of the art world it's 'who you know' not how good your art is!microkorg
- @microkorg
Some might pass through the cracks if they give good head. But if you're really into the artworld you'll clearly see there's a lot a great creators.palimpsest - microkorg excelling in generalisation ... never a good sign if u r an artist yourself.neverscared
- I know lots of amazing painters who struggled to make art a career. Now their either dont do it, its a hobby or they do like art therapy. Find it sad.microkorg
- microkorg0
One of my artworks that I really love sat on Foundation for a few months with no one interested. So thought fuck it and burned it.
Have listed it on HEN instead, but there's a twist...
https://www.hicetnunc.xyz/objkt/…
- From what I can read from your description I'm still liking how you are exploiting the medium.palimpsest
- However, no visual shows up on my side. Which is cool because you are only selling NFTs after all.
;-)palimpsest - Nice illy! Could you wrap the entire deck will your illustration? I think that it would be more visually impactful.utopian
- Unfortunately the artwork would be pushed to go much beyond A3. It's definitely wouldn't live up to a whole deck cover :(microkorg
- shapesalad0
- Lambo NFT, the circle is complete.palimpsest
- well donested
- microkorg-4
I don't think NFTs are going anywhere, they are definitely here to stay and we'll see them becoming more mainstream especially now that the gaming industry and now the film industry is making moves in NFTs.
Saw a few posts on social yesterday that have inspired this rambling. I thought that some of these points might help illustrate uses for NFTs that non-believers may feel more 'legit' or understandable than 'buying a jpeg' ;)
NFT in the MOVIES
'Zero Contact' with Anthony Hopkins is the first movie where you will need to own the NFT to watch the movie. This is a pretty piss-poor implementation of the technology IMO.
But what about, you get a ticket for the cinema to watch the film, you opt for the slightly more expensive 'NFT Ticket' option. This is a contract on the blockchain to say you have a right to this movie. Then going forward, whichever platform you use for streaming movies - Netflix/YouTube/Amazon/Sky etc you will ALWAYS have free access to this film.NFT in Games
Will be huge! Gamers are already used to paying money for a token that says they have ownership of something that isn't physical - weapons, cars, coins, level-jumps etc.
Proof of ownership of items on the blockchain could, like the movies, allow for multi-platform ownership or even integration (e.g the NFT artworks you own hang in the home of your GTA character).
https://www.lexology.com/library…NFTs as Social Currency
Quoting "NFTs will become a fundamental part of social currency in the future. NFTs are non tangible, but they have the potential to carry more weight than something like a physical painting because of it's online presence and social status. Like a blue check mark on Twitter - flexing your NFTs can be a way to communicate your status and wealth"This is happening now - big stars grabbing CryptoPunks and BAYC Apes to flex.
Documents & Records
In 2019 South Korea very successfully introduced on-blockchain driving licenses.- NFTs in Games
https://youtu.be/ko2…microkorg - Nah
Chillgrafician - Will be huge!
Fuck off and fuck your NTFsbabydick - NFTs*babydick
- NFTs in Games
- palimpsest2
Re: Microkorg's post
https://www.qbn.com/reply/403259…NFTs might be here to stay but I would like to point what NFTs are not and what they are not contributing to.
NFTs in the MOVIES
I don't see how the nature of NFTs would grant you access to viewing a movie in different hosting services/platforms. The option to buy a digital movie already exists, there are options to buy the movie and download it and options to buy the movie and view it on the service you bought it from (Amazon & YouTube for example). Your rights to view the movie do not transfer across services. Here I would like to point out that you do not have ownership rights to the movie, just as you have no ownership rights to the artwork with an NFT. This limitation doesn't come from the technology available but from the deals between the different companies involved. NFTs do not provide any innovation in regards to the contracts between distribution services and production companies.The 'Zero Contact' example seems like only a gimmick since we already have means to buy access to digital content. There would be the sentimental value of owning an NFT but it's the same as owning the receipt for an online purchase. Furthermore, if any of the online streaming services would disappear you would be left with your dick in your hand. This is the same case for NFTs, specially for those that believe that owning NFT equals to owning the 'artwork' hosted on the NFT commerce site.
NFT in Games
Same case as the movies. There are already several cloud gaming services and your purchase of a game in one service, or a physical copy of the game, doesn't carry to the next. This isn't a technological limitation but a commercial one. NFTs offer no innovation in this domain either. We already capable of buying and trading items within a game.NFTs will probably be used more as a sales point because they are a new thing. They are more like a credit card with a trendy background. They offer no innovation in regards to the transactions already available.
What I do find interesting is NFTs as a social currency. We already know they are the new token for conspicuous consumption. I enjoy how they hold a magnifying glass to speculation, by using crypto they are a tool for speculation on top of another tool for speculation. I would like understand how so many people agree on a arbitrary value on an object and assign that value to a symbol. I see it more justifiable with other objects like Pokémon cards or Beanie Babies where there is a real scarcity of one object but with NFTs all instances are as scarce as the next since they are all by definition non fungible. Ultimately, all these collectible objects are only valuable to those who care for the objects and have no value for those outside that circle, I see no problem with this. We have to accept NFTs for what they are and not shoehorn qualities into them that they do not possess.
- microkorg5
Getting back into using Flash (now Adobe Animate) after and absence of about 20 years. Using it to create interactive works, output as HTML which can then be minted on HicEtNunc.
https://www.hicetnunc.xyz/objkt/…
Having fun like it's 2001!
- better update to proccesing or houdini ...neverscared
- gave proccesing a look but looks too code based for me to use. I can jump right into 'Flash' and crack on. might jump down that rabbit hole at some point tho.microkorg
- output as HTML wut?
hell I might have to get back into thatGuyFawkes - You build in Animate using HTML5 canvas and output as HTML file (with associated img folder). Then there's an HTML template you can get from HENmicrokorg
- to put your code into. Then you just mint it. Super fuckin simple!
Oh, you need to make sure the zip you upload is a zip of the folder with contents in.microkorg - NOT just the contents zipped.microkorg
- Really dig this. Flash lives!PhanLo
