Intellectual Dark Web
Intellectual Dark Web
- Started 7 years ago
- Last post 4 days ago
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- palimpsest0
- When Musk is the voice of reason.palimpsest
- Benzos for breakfastPhanLo
- Haha. Has anyone ever tried the JP meat-only diet? Sounds fucking stupid. Even if it did miraculously save his demented familyIanbolton
- I wouldn't be surprised if some here did try it out.palimpsest
- Just don't mix it with cider! Mind when he drank some and stayed awake for 25 days? LOLPhanLo
- And now his wife can do the full hitler saluteSlashPeckham
- ^ L O L !
Throwing meat at eat other all the way too.PhanLo - Yeah great for weight loss and diabetes but also great for clogging arteries and exploding your heart and as a bonus scurvy!_niko
- “My wife had a pain in her shoulder for years and then she started eating just meat and the pain went away” is she still eating just meat? “No she’s dead”_niko
- you'll never shit again!sarahfailin
- yuekit0
- I still don't get how anyone fell for this clown from the start.palimpsest
- i read his maps of meaning book and then 12 rules for life while i was losing the plot during the pandemic and thought 'yeah, seems to make sense to me'.Ianbolton
- but now i feel like a naive little idiot finding my way again. I find it daft that people say he's like Andrew Tate though. That is a stretch.Ianbolton
- He has some considered ideas and I think he's fundamentally a decent bloke. He likes genuine dialogue and the quest to further knowledge - some of the ...Morning_star
- ...atheists in this exchange are shallow 'gotcha' types which he has little time for. (49min).Morning_star
- But his ideas don't stand up under scrutiny as you can see in this video. He says stuff that sounds like it might be deep and insightful but if you think aboutyuekit
- what he's saying it often doesn't really mean anything. Like "if you believe something you have to be willing to die for it"... why? It doesn't make sense.yuekit
- He's never been "decent". He poses as "rational" but you always have to look at what purposes he actually serves, not the ones he claims to serve.palimpsest
- Fucking "clean your room".palimpsest
- @palimpsets, what purpose does he serve?
@yeukit, do you have an example of an idea that doesn't stand up to scrutiny?Morning_star - What I just said about how if you believe something you have to be willing to die for it. But you can just pick any part of the debate, it's all like that.yuekit
- Remember how in the early days he even claimed to be a leftist!? He's always served the interests of the cultural right. Don't you agree?palimpsest
- "AIn idea that doesn't stand up to scrutiny"
Fucking lobsters, in any academic realm whatsoever.palimpsest - As hard as you might try:
"You are not serious people"palimpsest - @palimpsest, I agree that his perspective is more often that not right of centre but I don't agree he 'serves the interests of the cultural right' . That ...Morning_star
- If you really are intereseted in nature try reading Philippe Descola.palimpsest
- ...would suppose he takes them into consideration when presenting is thoughts and I don't see evidence that he does.Morning_star
- Bruno Latour, Vinciane Despret, Baptiste Morizot.palimpsest
- I don't care what he takes into consideration. I'm talking about what purpose what comes outta his mouf serves.palimpsest
- And I think we agree that it serves the right, or right of centre if I want to be generous.
Furthermore, if we deconstruct his arguments, his thoughts...palimpsest - ... there's nothing there.
Zizek already ran circles around him.palimpsest - Even an idiot like me can see through it.palimpsest
- @yeukit if you wanted to we could get into this a little deeper as that's what explanation of his claim requires. Picking out soundbites and expecting a...Morning_star
- ...revelation will always be a route to misunderstandingMorning_star
- Do your own research, aimrite?palimpsest
- The main reason why we get into any of these thinkers are "sound bytes", because they manage to articulate a thought that speaks to us (or doesn't).palimpsest
- Post a 5h lecture.
"Why is this not true? Post facts, to debunk".palimpsest - @palimpsest. I hear you. The Zizek debate was a car crash and he admitted as much. I see him as a man thinking out loud in public, that in itself is a little...Morning_star
- ...foolish. The expectation that he comes with fully formed, fully interrogated ideas is unfair.Morning_star
- @Morning_star
I do appreciate your approach, and I think there's a lot of honesty in it.
But IDW have always come off as the Mormons of the web.palimpsest - I think you can ignore all the left vs right culture war stuff and his ideas are still half-baked. The best way to describe it is sophistry... vacuous ideasyuekit
- This is not the best framework for the type of converstation you seem to be after.
Hit me up on Discord if you're looking for a better exchange.palimpsest - dressed up in pseudointellectual jardon. This guy is supposed to be a philosophical genius so why isn't he winning the debate against a bunch of college kids?yuekit
- It's not unfair.
I keep my unfully formed ideas to myself.palimpsest - I thought yous was all about "the marketplace of ideas".
If so, he's selling air-dryed pottery on Etsy.palimpsest - He's a joke. My daughter goes to UofT where he used to be a prof. His former colleagues think he's an embarrassment.exador1
- He's ALWAYS been a joke.palimpsest
- Yuekit has it right. it's pseudo intellectual jargon. My brother in law is a scientist and prof at a university and we've chatted about this guy a fair bit.exador1
- There's literally nothing of value in his theories or his posturing. He's just another con artist, and like most of his ilk, he's realized the biggest 'marks'exador1
- are the far right. Their threshold for believing just about anything makes them a perfect target.exador1
- timothy leary ate scoundrels like perterson for as a sidesnack...so trivial is petersons pattern recognitionneverscared
- What is so important about his work that would impeed someone from accepting he's an idiot?
Even Woody Allen's work can stand up to scrutiny.palimpsest - Sure, he put his logo on a suit like an Adam West Batman villain. But that's all the props I'm willing to give him.palimpsest
- To wrap it up:
If in any point in history you heard Jordan Peterson and your though was "tell me more" you are not serious people.palimpsest - @Morningstar If you want to understand the criticism this is a good podcast that analyzes his ideas in detail from a rationalist/skeptica... perspective.yuekit
- https://decoding-the…yuekit
- @palimpsest There's some truth right there :)Morning_star
- 2 hours 26 minutes 36 seconds
Post facts to debunk.palimpsest - Personally, I don't need a 2 hour long podcast to "really understand" Peterson so I wouldn't impose the same on Morning_star.palimpsest
- @exador1, who's he conning?Morning_star
- Let's be honest here.
I haven't even clicked on the video in this post. I'm using this as an opportunity to make fun of the poor feller.palimpsest - I was an early hater. See page 1.BonSeff
- @yuekit Thanks, i'll give it a listen.Morning_star
- had a quick 3 second look and the kids seemed even more annoying than Jordan, don't need to watch it.PhanLo
- People are over-reading JP. He appeals to the mentally unstable angry crowd because he's them.garbage
- Peak comedy though, that whole Chinese Cum Farm conspiracy that further broke his drug-addled mind.garbage
- Jordy has a good grift system going, can do his sad wee lectures, sell his shitty books, fly over to Israel, get some of that end times jesus cash. total mad cuPhanLo
- What an unsatisfying debate format.monNom
- I always felt like he was ultimately dismissive of people who didn't fit into conservative mindset. Like art and culture are profoundly based in a certain chaosIanbolton
- He now seems like one of those cunts who claims everyone needs fixing and he was the guy to do it claiming he 'understood' human behaviour more than anyoneIanbolton
- If everyone listened to him and 'did as their told' the world would be one boring as fuck place for everyone.Ianbolton
- *drops acid* yepMorning_star
- I think a big element of it is that he has a lot of Christian followers. They like the interpretations of Biblical stories, it's like a new spin on somethingyuekit
- they are very familiar with. Peterson is connecting it to evolutionary psychology and giving it a kind of scientific legitimacy.yuekit
- Not sure about that. I think your second point about evolutionary psychology is an early step in the way he is interpreting Christian myths. And I guess...Morning_star
- ...because he's landed on Christianity as the framework for his ethos it will resonate with Christians more. But, I think you may be missing his reason for...Morning_star
- ...choosing Christianity and why he gets in to difficulties when someone asks if he is a Christian.Morning_star
- This sounds too much like Astrology.
Cool if that's the map you'll be using but it's a hard pass for me.palimpsest - FWIW, i think his ideas have some interesting foundations and worth understanding but I don't agree with 80% of what he spouts.Morning_star
- that's the core of all those pseudo intellectuals. 10% reasonable and 90% bullshit.pango
- Morningstar did you even watch it? He's not a Christian, he just grifts them. Christians and morons is his game.garbage
- Yes I watched it. It was entirely unsatisfying. Neither side had time enough to form fully coherent challenges. A pretty valueless exercise in outrage porn.Morning_star
- I don’t agree it’s a grift. As a man who’s on a very public journey I think people elevate him to a station, whether good or evil, that he doesn’t deserve.Morning_star
- In case you don't know, the guest at these get to choose their panel, and Jordan chose atheists. The atheists were then expecting a Christian debate with him.garbage
- Then he flew in, acting like it was some ambush, dodged easy questions..garbage
- ..to the point they had to change the upload title. JP's a moron and a grifter. There's nothing deep about him.garbage
- It's fine if you want to interpret it that way. But the video doesn't show that. As you point out, JP squirms and dodges the question about whether he's...Morning_star
- ...christian which suggests that the atheists were the only ones expecting atheists vs christians. The questions he posits to them are quite clearly coming...Morning_star
- ...from a broader place than just christianity and anyone who has paid the slightest bit of notice to him would realise that he's not particularly interested...Morning_star
- ...debating clumsy Atheists and their oh-so-clever semantic traps.Morning_star
- thats true garb.... nothing deep there... u cant drown in shallow water (except u fall) ,and u can make a lot of money with shallow folks who hang out there..neverscared
- if u cant even hang with teens and students and stay loose .. u def. are on the wrong side of history...neverscared
- I did kinda appreciate his foundations - saying christianity told us how to be human, while science 'supposedly' measures how human we are.Ianbolton
- I feel like it's giving way too much credit to Christianity. Ultimately these ideas came from people and it shows the evolution of society and cultures.yuekit
- PhanLo-1
- lolfadein11
- do folk still care what this rubbery cunt says? seems like all the emotionally stunted men who were his core audience have moved onto casual racism and adidas.face_melter
- He still seems to be making a living, think the christian / zionist grift circle keeps him in meat.PhanLo
- you are what you eat? rare steak and salt?_niko
- oh right - he's peddling that manky 'judeo-christian' horseshit now, right? quite the switch from being a sex pest and whining about pronouns.face_melter
- saying that, someone should invite him here - he'd fit right in.face_melter
- u should invite him... dont be so lazy..neverscared
- Amazing how you managed to generalize both a psychologist and his entire audience in one breath. Peterson would be proud!canoe
- peterson is always proud... thats why he is a douchebagneverscared
