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- Fax_Benson1
this is still up on Liam Fox's own website
- lowimpakt0
just how sensitive is British retail is to export/import prices and a weakened pound?
Maplin and Toys R Us fall into insolvency
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what does it say?
surely these were doomed businesses anyway?fadein11 - hah. got a 'new' speaker from maplin a couple of weeks back arrived with a huge slash in it and covered in chalk. but is useful the one time a year you need it!kingsteven
- Toys R Us went chapter 11 in north america some time agoGnash
- Maplin has been Dead for years now and ToysRUs UK has, like its US parent, been chronically disfunctional for years.detritus
- *dys, damn phone.
I mean, have you even been in a maplin over the past decade?detritus - If you havent, then that's why. If you have, then you know why.detritus
- exactly det, both businesses were dead, this has nothing (or little) to do with Brexit. And trust me I hate Brexit.fadein11
- Map;in and Toys R Us can fuck off. Overpriced. Shit.********
- Aye, pretty sure nobody gives a shit about either and only reason they're in the news is because lots of people will lose their jobsFax_Benson
- Fuck em'********
- They can get another shitty job********
- lolfadein11
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- Fax_Benson0
Turns out there's another article what needs a triggerin - A127 due by end of March to get us out of the EEA. Government doesn't want to in case there's another legal case / vote
- http://www.politics.…Fax_Benson
- Politics doesn't attract the brightest of people. Evidence: D Trump.shapesalad
- Bluejam0
- https://static.indep…Bluejam
- this cracked me up this morning.fadein11
- Carry on BrexitBluejam
- Would be amusing if the during brexit negotiations the EU put a substantial export tariff on passport printers exporting out of the EU... to the UK.shapesalad
- lol********
- So the UK's problems aren't actually anything to do with the EU, rather our perpetual self-fuckery for the highest management bonuses? Say it ain't so.detritus
- lowimpakt3
"I've decided to make some motivational posters using some tweets about brexit, alongside a picture of the person who wrote the tweet."
https://twitter.com/ydnhkrm/stat…
a few examples.
- Grandad, back in the Brexit meme wars, were you a gammon or a libtard?Fax_Benson
- Nice. I like.fadein11
- #2 front line with placard when they try to build an internment camp in her provincial shit hole.kingsteven
- my god that thread just keeps going, great work. https://is.gd/2SPRlv… ... fuck me the Beach Boys have gone down hill!kingsteven
- Might print this one off and put above my desk at work!!
https://pbs.twimg.co…mugwart - twatter never fails to disappoint, does ithans_glib
- Normal people with strong views about something they believe in that's important to them and the fundamentals of their being?detritus
- If anything I think this quite successfuly highlights how deeply some of this country's problems are perceived for people who've not had a voice.detritus
- It's quite a thread he's built up there, but my go-to Twitter feed for this kind of bigotry is Racist Pets: https://twitter.com/…Wolfboy
- detritus, these people have always had the voice. that's part of their problem.lowimpakt
- Have they? Which problem?detritus
- detritus0
Mein Gott, might the House of Lords have just delivered the first stiletto strike against the apparent Brexit consensus?
If there's genuine wavering over something as fundamental as involvement in the Customs Union, might the whole thing have the potential to unravel?
Small steps?
- I always did like The House of Lords - some questioning about how some cunts end up in there, but the general idea of a seperate house made up of non-idiotsdetritus
- who've actually DONE something in their lives is not to be sniffed at.detritus
- But then, this cunt
http://media.breitba…detritus - bloomberg had a good article about clearing houses in the financial industry - it's a royal mess up, lots euro clearing is done in LDN city.shapesalad
- ^ zero arranged/negotiated. Brexit likely would reduce LDN's financial clout and status to that of a small village bank branch. EU not giving anything to UK.shapesalad
- House of Comb Overs it ought to be called...shapesalad
- it's strange how it was once full of hereditary aristos and the left wanted it shut down. It became so toxic for the tories that they didn't notice LabourFax_Benson
- and the Libs filling it with saboteurs.Fax_Benson
- also, the bass player from the Young Knives is called House of Lords.Fax_Benson
- shapesalad1
"Nigel Farage admits two of his children have GERMAN passports and will still be able to travel freely in Europe after Brexit"
- Someone could make a killing making lifelike latex punching bags shaped like Nigel Farage's head.detritus
- There's a product idea here.
We need some kind of smart 5-axis CNC printing tech to get the details right on a mostly-accurate form.detritus - Not Latex - SIlicone! Sorry.detritus
- This sort of shit..
https://orig00.devia…detritus - Fill it with beads, so it's heavy, and just pound and pound it.detritus
- "YOU CUNT!" *SMASH*
"YOU CUNT!" *BLAM*
"YOU CUNT!" *POUND*
"YOU CUNT!" *GNAW*detritus - Ok, thanks. I got that out of my system.detritus
- You could cast replaceable clay skulls which fit inside, which could audibly crack as you're crushing it with your hands.
There's a business model here.detritus - IM me. Let's do this.detritus
- hahafadein11
- I kinda like the guy, I mean, he fooled the fools of UK. Now they all hate him, were played. He exposed the fools, easier to spot fools now.shapesalad
- put me down for one deluxe collapsing skull punching farage, 2 blairs, a gove and one of your real british oak presentation spikes please.kingsteven
- ********-9
I was pro "Remain" but I don't understand the big hype about the EU. On paper it's a good concept but in reality it's a big, bureaucratic, wasteful mess.
And why is there still such a big discussion. There was a democratic referendum and people have voted. What would remainers say if brexiters lost and wanted a second referendum to overthrow the outcome?
That's exactly what the war criminal Tony Blair wants. To overthrow a democratic outcome. If a war criminal like Tony Blair is pushing something then for sure it can't be that great.
- Democratic based on lies. So many false information make by the exit side.
Also they forgot about the Ireland border.pango - It's always "lies" when you don't like the result.********
- Also by your logic. The Nazis in UK wants Brexit. That means it sure can't be great.pango
- No not always. Where's that money farage said they are going to get? Never gonna happen.pango
- The day after the referendum Nigel Farage himself said it was all lie. now that's a fact. even if I don't like it.pango
- https://www.youtube.…pango
- Who cares about Farage. Brexit/ UK is more than him. I just don't get the hype about the EU.********
- no no no. you said "It's always "lies" when you don't like the result.
doesn't seem like that at all. it was in fact a lie.pango - also what would you say about UK nazis supporting brexit?pango
- they were also promised the same benefit out side EU. Noooope. not gonna happen.pango
- the hype is real. it's gonna effect 65 million people's life. for better or worse. so far it's a mess.pango
- People talk about it as a 1 decision process: stay in EU or not.shapesalad
- But the more important part is next: how does leaving EU look, what concessions can we get if we stay in EU?shapesalad
- ^ and at the moment the 2nd part has been shown to be a dogs dinner. There's no clear picture on how UK would operate out of the EU.shapesalad
- When they finally decide how that would look, we need a vote on it. It always should have been a 2 part question: In EU or not, if not, ok with this deal?shapesalad
- britain isn't dead yet and they've got all her shit on gumtree.kingsteven
- No idea why people downvote this. You can't fucking argue with the sound logic of this post.********
- you're joking right? logic? tony blair likes guitars too, gonna burn your SG?kingsteven
- i dunno if you've ever experienced a referendum anywhere else in europe but even simple topics are voted on multiple times and often disregarded.kingsteven
- It's so true though that if the outcome was in your favour and leavers wanted a second referendum you'd be up in arms. lol to that.********
- You can't pick and choose democracy when it suits you.********
- I'm not a brexiter by any stretch, before some cunt shouts it, I'm just not emotionally invested and able to look at it from an impartial position.********
- a vote on the details of the deal is different to simply running the original again because you don't like the result. I can't stand the idea of another one butFax_Benson
- there's a clear distinction - one that brexiters are happy not make.Fax_Benson
- *not to makeFax_Benson
- but noone wants a second referendum Set, people are just concerned about the final deal. The 2nd referendum thing died ages ago, not sure why it's being broughtfadein11
- up.fadein11
- Blair is a turd after some attention.fadein11
- "I'm not a brexiter by any stretch" hang on, you posted on this site you were. The plot thickens...fadein11
- I did not, mr black and white, I simply suggested one or two benefits of it, once upon a time.********
- Believe it or not there are benefits to both sides.********
- eh? you clearly stated numerous times you have voted leave. are you mad? we had a massive comment section on it lol.fadein11
- I even remember saying you voted leave for valid reasons.fadein11
- as i said set, i have two passports, whatever the deal it's more likely to be beneficial to me than to you. i only want a second ref to stick it to cunts thatkingsteven
- they thought it inconsequential that their regional europe-bordering ex. warzone voted remain.kingsteven
- so not sure how enraged i'd feel if it was reversed, still i don't see what logic has to do with any of it hahkingsteven
- lol, hilarious... you were one of the few Brits on here who openly admitted you had voted Leave. Wow.fadein11
- I didn't vote leave, lol********
- ok, but you do remember our longwinded discussion on why you had voted leave? Whether you did or not you stated you had then and I agreed with a lot of yourfadein11
- points. You do remember that no?fadein11
- I remember making points for and against it but I didn't vote leave...********
- oh christ I wish this site had a search, we had one of those epic discussions (that ended well) where you said you voted leave and your reasons for doing so.fadein11
- Democratic based on lies. So many false information make by the exit side.
- kingsteven2
RE: the Farage kids having German passports:
Folks here have Irish citizenship too, 3 million of us... i imagine if you tab up everyone in the UK with qualifying ties to EU states it's a few percent of the population that will be free to move and work... imagine being English with English parents and living in Belfast right now - how apparent it is that no matter what you get in terms of a deal, the more British you are, the more you will be disadvantaged!
An English mate (he claims mostly Welsh) moved from Berlin to Donegal a couple years back before the vote, hasn't lived in England for 20 years but unknowingly lost his right to EU citizenship by moving between EU countries... it is fucked.
Anyway, i'm sure some of you are aware of this but if I send one Brexiteer in to a jealous rage at being a second class citizen in their own country and force them to think, mission accomplished.
- your english mate might be ok, we still don't know 100% what the deal is going to be! clock is ticking...shapesalad
- shape man, it's impossible. we are >50% irish and have a border with ireland. voted 54% remain. our british nationalists are propping up the government...kingsteven
- our irish nationalists make up a significant proportion of the irish govt. there is no possible deal that will satisfy all parties.kingsteven
- the tories would need to sell out the DUP = no govt = no Brexit. or any border deal is vetoed by the Irish = terrible Brexit.kingsteven
- sadly article 50 means it's going to happen irregardless of the govt fallinghans_glib
- article 50 is 250 words long and vague as hell. 2 regions voted remain one has over 50% that aren't british and aren't represented in westminster.kingsteven
- article 50 has never been invoked, but neither has article 7kingsteven
- * article 50 had never been invoked beforekingsteven
- hans_glib0
yay!
from the times
Brexit will cost ‘at least £10bn’ more than taxpayers were told
The Brexit divorce bill will end up being at least £10 billion more than ministers claimed at the time the deal was signed, a report by the government’s financial watchdog suggests.
The National Audit Office (NAO) accused the Treasury of failing to incorporate key uncertainties of “which it was aware” when ministers announced that the settlement would cost Britain between £35 billion and £39 billion.
The government’s estimate did not include Britain’s commitment to the European fund that hands out overseas aid, the NAO said, adding that this would cost £2.9 billion after Brexit. The Treasury claimed it did not include the payments because the fund is not included in the main EU budget.
The divorce bill estimate includes EU payments directly to the private sector worth £7.2 billion. The Treasury assumed that all EU loans to member states, companies and other institutions would be paid back. But in the agreement Britain has accepted €14 billion for its share of these contingent liabilities which it will have to pay if any debtors default.
The NAO report also said the terms of the settlement gave “scope” for the European Commission to take decisions that would increase Britain’s payments. The commission could reclassify liabilities so they were included in the calculation of settlement payments, or dispose of assets shortly after the end of 2020. The EU could also “fast-track” funding applications towards the end of the current budgetary period to ensure the commitment was “made in time for the UK to contribute to its cost”.
The NAO concluded that the “total cost of the settlement cannot be defined until there is greater certainty around future events”. It identified areas of uncertainty such as the UK’s economic performance in 2019 and 2020, the cost of pension liabilities and exchange rate fluctuations as the divorce bill will be paid in euros.
- Wolfboy0
Well this was obvious to anyone with a rudimentary grasp of logic:
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/th…
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Proposals for the future of the Irish border after Brexit were "annihilated" by EU officials, who said none of the options would work.
EU diplomatic sources told The Daily Telegraph that Brussels officials delivered a "detailed and forensic rebuttal", and said "none of the UK customs options will work - none of them".
The revelation came after Britain's lead negotiator Olly Robbins met with senior EU officials, and has raised doubts about hopes for the future deal with Europe.
A UK Government spokesman said Britain is continuing an "intensive work programme to engage" all the scenarios set out in December's Joint Report, which was agreed by Theresa May and European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker.
It included three options for the Irish border, with Britain backing a close economic relationship that makes customs checks unnecessary or implements technological solutions that would make them near-frictionless.
But in February, the EU published a version which only included the third "backstop" option, which effectively draws a customs border down the Irish sea.
Mrs May said it was a scenario "no British Prime Minister could ever agree".
She is facing pressure ahead of a vote in the Commons next week on keeping the UK in the European Customs Union. The same issue was defeated in the Lords.
Mrs May could have to keep Britain in the customs union to avoid a hard border with Ireland.
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I think of all the lies and misinformation fed by the leave campaigns their biggest success was generally keeping the Irish border out of the debate. It was also a huge failure of the remain campaign to not use it as a major talking point.
It might be a complicated bureaucratic situation, but it's a very easy one to understand and spelling out how the border is unworkable outside the customs union would have been a strong argument for remaining.
- This suits everyone. UK stays in the customs union and hardcore brexiteers get to blame EU and the Irish for ruining brexit for the rest of time.Fax_Benson
- Yeah, it'll be the least damaging of all the potential outcomes. May gets to keep face because it looks like she is being strong armed into it and publicly...Wolfboy
- ... but it's still going to hit us in the economy and we'll be in a weaker position than we had as full members.Wolfboy
- ********-5
At least there's one individual with brains on this site. But keep downvoting me and all my posts.
- https://media.giphy.…Bluejam
- The key phrase that is always bandied about is 'will of the people' and I happen to agree with it. But surely what that means is when you have such a close...Wolfboy
- ...run vote, you don't ignore nearly half your population like it was a reality TV show vote. And yes, if the vote had gone the other way then I think the...Wolfboy
- ...same thing should stand. As it is, we should leave as per the result but maintain strong links with the EU. If remain had won, the government could have...Wolfboy
- ...taken on board the concerns of the leavers and started choosing to enforce the immigration controls they were always entitled to as part of the EU.Wolfboy
- what wolfboy said... it's common sense. the referendum only ever happened because Cameron was so arrogant he thought hefadein11
- this guykingsteven
- couldn't leave and to silence factions in his failing party. The whole thing was a political move and had zilch to do with the best interest of the country.fadein11
- Ughh, don't get me started on that ham faced cunt. The fucker has cropped up again in the papers, daring to tell us what is needed in western politics! CUNT!Wolfboy
- It's quite obvious what is needed – less arrogant public school boy wankers who live their whole lives as if everything is a game where you gamble and...Wolfboy
- ...winner takes all. The thing I despise about May is she's doing such a shitty job, I get the feeling a lot of people are forgetting how much he fucked us overWolfboy
- amen to thatfadein11
- M01XXX I thought you were leaving? lol********
- Not enough downvotes yet. I think they want me to stay.********
- this screams for a referendumd_gitale
- Bluejam0
- gotta be getting close to implosion now right? i'd say boris is probably more clued in to the consensus for trade deals in govt. than may.kingsteven
- "the tractor beam of brussels" ... aka. the European Agricultural Guarantee Fund.kingsteven
- detritus0
I loathe Soros, but...
- Bluejam0
"A City firm co-founded by the influential Conservative backbencher, Jacob Rees-Mogg, has set up an investment fund in Ireland and is warning prospective clients about the financial dangers of the sort of hard Brexit favoured by the Tory MP."
- In the trailer for Hereditary there's a bit where a character bloodily slams his head into a desk. I'd love to see this excuse of a man do that repeatedly.detritus
- Like, for a good few solid minutes, 'til he blearly looks up into the camera, dazed, throws up, then falls of his chair into a puddle on the floor.detritus
- To any Police reading:
This is not a threat against a member of Parliament, I'd like to see him do this to himself. I am not a hypnotist. Sadly.detritus - it's a joke that this pathetic cloistered bubblehead untermensch has even managed to worm his way into Parliament.detritus
- Which is to say, I'm not a fan.detritus
- HE'S PAID £14,000 A MONTH FOR WORKING 30 HOURS THERE?!
Ok, Police - I redact the above.
I'm going to learn hypnosis.detritus - *retractdetritus
- you really don't like himBluejam
- He is a top class bellend for sureIanbolton
- Bluejam0
"Brexit dividend"
- Bluejam1
"Brexit dividend"
- shapesalad0
https://www.reuters.com/article/…
Clock is ticking, still no clear Brexit deal.
The ship is heading steadily towards uncharted waters without a compass, watch, skipper or even a captain.
Shipwreck soon.
- but at least we got blue passports.fadein11
- and a big fat juicy Brexit DividendBluejam
- ...as long as our taxes go up to pay the shortfall. Funny, that.detritus
- Only guaranteed dividend will be for Northern Ireland (and we also get to maintain European passports through Irish citizenship). Go figure.kingsteven
- shapesalad0
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-poli…
Pay £65 to say in UK if you're from EU and answer 3 simple questions.
A UK passport for UK citizens costs £72.50.
Seems a bit odd, they could have charged a bit more for EU nationals wanting to stay in UK.
No word on what options/costs UK citizens living in EU will have if they want to say in EU countries.
So, that seems to have been fully negotiated?
- You could have worded it - Pay up and answer three stupid questions or get deported, even though you've been living and working here legallyFax_Benson
- apparently it might be €70 for brits to go to europe. or it might be less. as usual we know all the details.hans_glib
- shapesalad0
There really should be another vote in March 2019 that states the deal and asks 'do you want this or not'?
- 12m didn't vote, when they could have. Idiots.shapesalad
- Not really, I think there's a good reason for most considered people to not vote on things they fundamentally don't understand.detritus
- Given the politicians themselves haven't got any actual udnerstanding of any of this - stay in or leave, whatever - why would the prolefool electorate?detritus
- I've said it before and I'll say it again - contemporary partisan democracy's a fucking sham.detritus
- yep I agree det, but how much easier is it being in something than outside of it (unless there is a clear positive plan of course)fadein11
- Casting a vote in a ballot every x years about wide-spectrum issues is not useful democracy and it annoys me when people get in a tizzy about 'not voting'detritus
- However many problems the EU has we now have no ability to change it for the better. I'm ranting here, not directed at you.fadein11
- ..when they fundamentalyl don't involve themselves in social issues otherwise. Not saying you here, salad, but I've had this argument with 'er indoors..detritus
- 5-year parliaments at least encourage longer-term planning. Binary referendums on intangible hypotheticals are a fucking terrible ideaFax_Benson
- guys...
https://www.youtube.…Bluejam - there won't be another vote, the deal will be shit, the rich will get even richer, the NHS will be taken over by wankstain yanks (never seeing a bean of the 350fadein11
- mil) and we the working people will make up the shortfall. But worry not, there's a new iPhone soon and Netflix is now streaming Eldorado.fadein11
- Country has gone to tits anyway: http://www.dailymail…shapesalad
- same as it ever wasfadein11
- democracy really sucks, sometimesGnash
- democracy doesn't suck, media brainwashing does.fadein11
