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- Fax_Benson1
"Hearing it was the DUP call that sunk today's chances of a deal - Foster held her press conf, 20 mins later May leaves talks with Juncker to call her, goes back into the room and the deal is off"
- how fucking reckless is this woman. i seem to say it every week but this should mean the end of brexit and her political career.kingsteven
- kingsteven5
The DUP then, these guys only exist to exploit the good friday agreement. If you remember that in the 90s, the DUP was the only party to oppose the agreement. They exploited problems in IRA decomissioning of arms to destroy the main unionist party at the time (the UUP) and take power (the rules of the local assembly are designed so that this guarantees the biggest party the "first minister" role).
They exploit the political tension here to keep people protest voting and stay in power (vote DUP to keep Sinn Fein out... ) but are not at all representative of political opinion here. They are quite happy to destabilise NI as a region as it is guaranteed to benefit them - they would love for the region to be ruled directly from Westminster so they have no incentive to negotiate anything.
And predictably, they're getting paid to do shit all right now... we have had no assembly for nearly a year. Which gives them all the hours they need to concentrate on this shit.
The DUP refuse to negotiate over a bill that protects Irish (up here Ulster Gaelic). Insisting that a language bill must protect "Ulster Scots" - essentially a dialect that unionists have promoted in order to split language funding so that it doesn't all go to the nationalist side. Ulster Scots is heavily politicised but essentially it's the dialect that derives from Scottish Gaelic speakers' speaking English. but because Irish and Scottish Gaelic are more or less interchangeable they are vey careful not to adopt any words that are actually derived from Gaelic!... The kick in the teeth for Irish speakers here is that Scotland even have Scottish Gaelic protection but with less speakers there than Irish in NI.
TBH, I don't speak Irish, don't have a nationalistic bone in my body and I don't care that much about languages but that should give you an idea of how nationalistic things are here in general. If you are just a regular person with a normal sized dick (I don't pretend to understand nationalists) things can be very difficult. A few years ago our Department of Culture, Arts and Leisure became the department of Communities and was given to the DUP, they sliced Arts funding (on top of existing austerity cuts). Allocating massive funds to Orange marching bands. We've now got actual arts organisations that have their entire budgets allocated to staffing/ running costs and young creative talent is fleeing like it's the feckin 80's again.
So, that's the reason our parliament is still fucked... why did it collapse in the first place? Because of a massive fiscal fuck up by the DUP where they botched a renewable heating scheme. Arlene Foster refused to stand down, Martin McGuinness resigned as deputy first minister (and pure just died like a feckin drama queen)...
On top of all this most of our media comes from the British press who treat the DUP like a serious political entity (backed up by the tories' decision to put them in government) while treating Irish nationalist politicians like terrorists and while moderate politicians very little but running between them trying to maintain government.
Did I mention they're also evangelical christians that continually veto changes to our laws that will bring us in line with the rest of the UK by exploiting a mechanism designed to protect their "community".
Things that are fine in the rest of the UK that DUP has blocked:
- Abortion (nope, not even for foetal abnormalities)
- Gay people donating blood (even though there is a shortage of blood)
- Gay marriage (even though who gives a shit)
Accountability (yep, they veto investigations in to their own members misconduct)
- Shared education (the vast majority of schools are Catholic/ Protestant here)
- Alchohol Licensing (finally eased up last year but our pubs still closed on christian holidays!)Anyway, that's just a primer... there is so much other cuntery I could go on about but it requires a bit more knowledge of the political situation here... but on to brexit.
The DUP were key...
Routed money for brexit advertising from saudi billionares through their party (doners to political parties here are not disclosed for security reasons) - paid for the majority of advertising in the UK press.
As a region we voted 54% remain but even though we have a "power sharing government" as I mentioned our first minister (currently Arlene) is always loyalist/DUP (British nationalist) and our deputy first minister is always nationalist/Sinn Fein (Irish nationalist). McGuinness' health coupled with Sinn Fein not taking their seats in Westminster meant that the DUP were able to misrepresent us as a region in the negotiations -really the vote may as well not have happened here.
Formed government with Theresa May. If it wasn't for the DUP, Labour would have formed government and most likely Corbyn would have gone for a similar border deal (without being propped up but the DUP - it's insane she thought she could do that with them on board) or been ousted by neo-libs that would drop brexit entirely.
Blocked the deal... they probably threatened to withdraw from government (that would trigger a general election right?). The fact is that anything other than this deal will be blocked by the Irish govt (and not just Sinn Fein, who May has totally screwed over in the North during this process.)
So it's no brexit or hard brexit... and apparently May likes it hard (hence why she walks like a tangled marionette)
Sorry, bit of a rant but all the aforementioned can get fucked. Locally I'm a bit more worried about the fact that the DUP have been allocating money for years to organisations openly fronted by the active leaders of 100k+ strong Loyalist terrorist organisations.
- how Arlene foster can be still in government after wasting nearly half a billion of tax payers cash on the RHI is beyond. some brass neck.lowimpakt
- pretty good as rants go. depressing as fuck, though.Fax_Benson
- zero accountability, not even to their vote base. it's terrifying.kingsteven
- Great post but yep utterly depressing. thanks for sharing.fadein11
- lowimpakt1
a map showing DUP representation
more nuanced version, although DUP don't represent all unionists i.e. there's the UUP, PUP, UUC, TUV etc
- In a lot of seats the SDLP and UUP make it worse. They split the moderate vote but they their policies do not attract young voters. - there is no oppositionkingsteven
- In my seat the DUP waltzed in because the SDLP leader (who also hates the gays while being rumoured to a bit of a deviant himself) refused to stand down...kingsteven
- because they differ in Sinn Fein about their opinions on reunification - ridiculously petty.kingsteven
- kept out the Green Party, gave the seat to the DUP... if I ever spot that cunt in the street :-|kingsteven
- I saw it coming and was borderline going to vote SF, but they're cunts too and that's how they get you!kingsteven
- Fax_Benson0
what's that?
Impact assessment of Brexit on the UK 'don't exist' - Davis
- After saying they are in excruciating detail in October... pmsl. This govt is dead.fadein11
- Fax_Benson0
- "the range of different outcomes is too wide. some free trade agreements have been very effective, and others haven’t"kingsteven
- i mean wtf is that, fatalist economics? does he think he's on deal or no deal and junkers the banker?kingsteven
- kingsteven1
May is desperate, but she knows she must know she needs to keep the DUP at distance (hence the payout) - seriously if the DUP are included in talks directly with EU. I really don't see how the Irish nationalist side of NI could treat that as anything other than the British govt voiding the Good Friday agreement.
A political party with views more toxic than the BNP is overseeing the process of nationalistic withdrawal from an economic union with no impact assessment!
This can't go on. Apparently May has been given a week. I really hope for all our sakes Juncker doesn't budge.
- It's chaos. Utterly unacceptable. We should ask for the £2bn DUP bung back, pause Brexit and hold a GE in Feb.monoboy
- hah well it's gonna be £2bn of monopoly money if they keep this up.kingsteven
- what happens if May goes? Labour don't have a brexit plan. Nobody does. A GE will lead to a proper hung parliament. There's no way out of this.Fax_Benson
- Yep what does happen? Labour have no appetite for dealing with this mess. Under Labour it will either mean a Brexit deal not v.different to being in the EUfadein11
- I really don't know but in the event of GE... If Labour made a second referendum a policy pledge? Would Corbyn get behind that?kingsteven
- minus ALL the benefits or a 2nd referendum and or reversal of Brexit. One thing is for sure the vote would go v.differently now.fadein11
- He would certainly have old new labour on his side for a change.kingsteven
- I would think so... and it's looking to be a cold one this winterkingsteven
- Hung parliament is unlikely though unless Labour throw the election. I will be close but Labour would get a majority now (and no I am not a big Corbyn fan)fadein11
- Corbyn is full of idealism and is expert at framing the issues, it's his solutions I worry about. Totally unrealistic.monoboy
- labour are no better than the tories on brexit. one minute they're opposing it, the next they're for it... total shambleshans_glib
- @mono - I agree, he'a also another example of populism. I hold little faith in him unfort.fadein11
- Bribing students and commuters won't take him any further than last time. unless he magics a brexit solution out of thin air I can't see him getting close to .Fax_Benson
- a majority. I think the vote would be split more thinly (slight gains for lib dem / ukip due to brexit)Fax_Benson
- yeah possibly, just how far he came last time I can see even more gains but a majority may still be out of reach. A combination of Corbyn + Brexitfadein11
- could be a nightmare scenario when even more of our financial sector GDP fucks off elsewhere.fadein11
- face_melter3
https://www.theguardian.com/poli…
Hammond confirms cabinet has not had specific discussion about final Brexit outcome it wants
Q: Has the cabinet discussed the end state, where the UK wants to get to after Brexit?
Hammond says there have been discussions about Brexit, but not a specific one about the end state.
He says the first discussion will come in a cabinet committee.
That can only happen when they know talks will move to phase two. Any discussion before then would be premature, he claims.
Hammond confirms cabinet has not had a specific discussion about the final Brexit outcome it wants, the so-called “end state”.
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!
- nice that someone asked Phil what he thought. Shame he fucked it up too.Fax_Benson
- kingsteven0
Heh, so they passed the same border deal as Monday with the phrase "regulatory alignment" removed? I'm sure we've all had less productive all-nighters TBF.
- and then put back in laterFax_Benson
- i believe in reality "regulatory alignment" == single market for the entire UK anyway but with added borders everywhere except Ireland for shits and giggles.kingsteven
- which is what "full alignment" would appear to be referring to? the UK would have the same relationship with the EU as Ukraine essentially. :-| :-| :-|kingsteven
- Hard brexiteers are gonna shit the bed when they read the detailFax_Benson
- Finally able to establish our own borders + reduce our own right to healthcare so we can sell that pesky NHS while still conforming to all regulations andkingsteven
- paying as much as we were before. Fuck yes, what a deal.kingsteven
- it's not a deal, it's a fucking joke. a symbolic one at that.fadein11
- Fax_Benson2
- bring forth the whiney leave cunts who didn't realise what was sold to them was never gonna happen... ffs.fadein11
- Paul Joseph Cuntsonyuekit
- https://www.youtube.…Bluejam
- What doom canoe that boy is.PhanLo
- This guy spends all his time ranting about how stupid everyone else is, meanwhile he's literally Alex Jones' sidekick.yuekit
- You have to read it out loud in his voice. It makes it funnier.PhanLo
- Aaaaah. So refreshing, sipping on the tears of alt-right fuckwits.face_melter
- Too be fair no one voted for this debacle.
I never trust a politician but I am shocked that this movement actually thought that this vote would be for the +mugwart - if they thought that these people would 'lead' them out properly I'm not sure whom the biggest fools are!mugwart
- kingsteven2
Hah, load of people on twitter from Northern Ireland really happy to be guaranteed EU citizenship (through dual passports) like its part of the British deal and not a policy of the Irish government to offer citizenship to anybody born on the entire island since 1922.
- yuekit0
- if he gets exactly what he wants then there's nothing left for him to do but fuck off. And take responsibility if it doesn't work. Suits him not to do either.Fax_Benson
