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- detritus0
Well the EU's just fucked it's future relationship with Britain up entirely. Nicely done.
The Spanish now have carte blanche to force their stubborn infantile flavour of diversionary politics across the entire continent, no matter the cost.
Excellent work.
https://www.theguardian.com/worl…
*digs heels in*
- opened the door to some dickhead behaviour on all sides. There really are no grown-ups in politics, anywhere.Fax_Benson
- The problem with the system is that you have to be a certain type of dickhead in the first place to actually want to be a politician********
- What relationship? They want to hit the UK hard as they can to make their exit a cautionary tale for the others.raf
- Hello there, Raf. Yes, obviously - but this is another step beyond the level of obstinance relevant or expected from Brexit.detritus
- And lest we forget,'relationship... is a broad and non-specific term, not necessarily implying 'positive' or 'healthy'.detritus
- haven't sen you here for a while - you ok, old boy?detritus
- Hi there. Never really left. But haven't seen you ...there for a while :)raf
- No, you won't have...detritus
- lowimpakt1
the gibraltar issue was discussed before the vote
- I think it was understood that the petulant spanish 'government' would use it as an opportunity to throw sand in the gears, but this is the EU giving them quartdetritus
- ..quarter. This is essentially the EU sanctioning obstinance from outside the realm of the argument.detritus
- I still remember 1992, before the EU, at school in Gibraltar. Whatever happens won't be the end of the Earth, so fuck the EU. "Die, EU, Die".detritus
- Picardo knew what the Spanish would do - they're predictable if nothing else. rouble is language makes some think there is a "table" to actually argue.detritus
- There isn't. Gibraltar is British and always will be until the Gibraltarians decide otherwise. Anything else is a shit on the conceits of the EU and UN'sdetritus
- ..raison d'etre.detritus
- the UK should just class Gibraltar as part of the mainland, as the French and Dutch quietly do and be done with it.detritus
- ...Falklands too.detritus
- The place is an interesting, weird colonial bubble. I love the monkeys, bulldogs and pubs. Talking to a Brit in Spanish kills me, who'd a thunk it.robotron3k
- the situation for gibraltarians is particularly shaky because they voted to remain because they voted 95.9% to remain in the EU with 84% turnoutlowimpakt
- Why's that in any way shaky for them?
If anything, one would expect the EU to then capitalise on that fact, not let the Spanish fuck everything up.detritus - I can guarantee you that the vast bulk of Gibraltarians distrust and dislike the Spanish more than they do love the EU. They're more British than most Brits.detritus
- A lot of people over here don't appreciate that.detritus
- "*also,* they're more British than the Brits".
I didn't mean to imply that a dislike and distrust of the Spanish is an inate fucntion of being British.detritus - That comes from having franco close a border for 15 years, trapping a population of thirty thousand people on a very small isthmus.detritus
- That comes from, to this today, the Guardia Civil randomly fucking the supposedly free border over, causing 3-8 EIGHT) hour queues to cross the frontier.detritus
- That comes from constant stupid Spanish distractionary politicking, against an entity that provides jobs and economic focus to Spain, in an impoverished partdetritus
- I can tell you I almost had a tear in my eye when Gib was the first to vote in Brexit, with that turnout and that stupid-high percentage. It's all a mess.detritus
- And i can tell you that I love Spain and [most] Spanish people. But their Government is a piece of shit, and now soo too, apparently, the EU. Fuck 'em.detritus
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empowered by ciderdetritus - I'm sure it will be become a huge sideshow distracting from the real issues at hand.fadein11
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*fists self*detritus - Well, they've made it so.detritus
- shaky because gibraltar will have a choice to make. they were not mentioned in Article 50 letter & voted against brexit. There has been a process oflowimpakt
- decolonization & self determination for a while. They certainly don't trust Spain but in last census most identified as Gibraltarian rather than British/Spanishlowimpakt
- good ole no plan Brexit - this is the tip of the icebergfadein11
- Yes, and Gibraltarians identify as British, Low. Sure, there has been a massive administartive fuck up here somewhere, but it means nowt. Gibraltar is British.detritus
- It cannot be bargained for, legally, juristictionally, morally or otherwise.
it is British. That is that. Therefore all else is a fuckwit complication.detritus - As I say, it should probably just become another county. We could launch Europe's rockets from there, like the French do in their colony.detritus
- to be fair. it's is symbolically british for now. it wasn't before and plausible it won't be in future. If they think the deal the tories strike is shite & notlowimpakt
- in their interests I can see them working out their options. Suffice to say. it's a right mouldy cock and balls for now.lowimpakt
- i just hope they don't get fucked over and their wishes are respected and interests not compromised.lowimpakt
- My friend, it has been 'symbolically British' for all relevant time. But yes, a clusterfuck otherwise.detritus
- Maybe they should have a referendum?monoboy
- Aye, they should check every two years, just to make sure.detritus
- Gibraltar ESPAÑOL!!!Miesfan
- No, it isn't, and you know that.
I love you otherwise, Miesfan.
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Cunt.detritus - ;-)Miesfan
- lowimpakt2
- BANG AFTER BANG AFTER BANG AFTER BANG!face_melter
- JET! WooOOOoo JET!face_melter
- It's fun, but it's pretty accurate to how news coverage is conducted.fruitsalad
- if only there were a word for itFax_Benson
- over 20 years old and still accurateDillinger
- This is the NEWS!Chimp
- detritus0
w00t
https://www.theguardian.com/poli…
"Up to 100,000 UK jobs at risk as Merkel and Juncker ally warns on euro clearing — EU lawmaker Manfred Weber says sector must relocate out of City of London after Brexit"
- finally starting to re-blanace the economy, by lopping off the big bit.Fax_Benson
- This was warned long before the referendum. 100K seems very high & i wonder they are over-claiming to push gov. to protect interests.lowimpakt
- Sure, but wasn't the whole "passporting" blah blah mooted as a response? I'm not sure I even understand what specirfic industry's at threat here. "Money".detritus
- monoboy0
Hmm, so a bit like Sharia Law then Mr Arron Banks...
- Oddly, what's this got to do with the EU?monoboy
- Except that Lee Rigby's parents are on record as saying justice would be this never happening again.monoboy
- Frankly, when there is no cause for doubt about the guiltiness of the murderers, as is the case here, then yes - fuck em'. They should hang imo.********
- but let's also not forget that he is no more 'remorseless murdering scum' than the people dropping bombs on Syria right now.********
- Killing them is the exactly what these cunts want. Martyrdom. Plays right into their hands.monoboy
- So we should spend £250,000 mothering them for god knows how many years before releasing them back in to the wild, just to spite them?********
- Unless you believe he'll actually be rubbing his hands in heaven while getting his cock sucked by fifty adolescent virgins, your point is moot********
- Letting them rattle around a cell in Wandsworth until they croak is proper punishment.monoboy
- Well sure, but it won't be until he croaks will it, and it costs a fuck ton of money just to appease the satisfaction of punishing him? Seems a bit off to me.********
- @set - yes you have seen the light - Trump is 'remorseless murdering scum' - at last you have said it ;)fadein11
- but so many conspiracies from Icke etc. about how it was a false flag and they were set up pmsl.fadein11
- And how long would he spend o death row? Which is infinitely more expensive.monoboy
- And how long would he spend o death row? Which is infinitely more expensive.monoboy
- both figures in that image totally wrong by the way - especially the one on the left.fadein11
- And you missed the main point. Martyrdom is the goal for these idiots. Giving it to them is even stupider.monoboy
- And until they croak. No release.monoboy
- Just hang the cunt as soon as you see video of him doing it and hear his confession.********
- Like a Jihadi?monoboy
- Like whatever you want to compare it to. Mothering them in prison at £250,000 a year at our expense is utterly insane.********
- Nope. Even if that figure is correct. Because executing the fucker will embolden another attack and simply mirror their ideology.monoboy
- bring back the death penalty!!! fuckin' lol.fadein11
- Far better to take their freedom and let them rot in a cell.monoboy
- This wasn't a religious thing, if you listen to him talking on the day. He didn't do this to get in to heaven..********
- .... He did this because of what the british military are doing to innocent people in the middle east every day. He has a fucking point.********
- I'd even let you visit him for a good kicking every once in a while if that'd cheer you up.monoboy
- Not that I condone murdering someone unprovoked on the street, of course. I was about to innocent, but if you're part of the military, maybe you're not innocent********
- to say innocent*********
- Or we could even rehabilitate the brainwashed twat and use him to deter others from taking the same path.monoboy
- Ya know, be smart.monoboy
- Is he brainwashed? I'm not so sure he is, frankly. This was an act to highlight innocent people dying in the middle east every single day.********
- I don't recall him saying anything about Islam and Allah.********
- Nearly of theses so-called jihadis are British born. Says a lot.monoboy
- I'd suggest the western troops are equally as brainwashed as any radical islamic nut.********
- To clarify, if you're religious then you're brainwashed, sure, but from what I remember his message was a political one, and he had a fucking point.********
- He did the whole 'Allahu Akbar' thing on sentencing and were described as 'two religious fanatics.'monoboy
- Anyway, I get the sentiment of an eye for an eye but it helps nobody, only exacerbates the situation IMO.monoboy
- I agree with you here Set.fadein11
- Well tickle my left bollock and call me bobby tipple the man agrees with something I said********
- That's it. I'm fucking off work and heading to the pub for white russians.********
- I'll have a drink while I'm there too WHEY!********
- monoboy2
I think I'll have to stop watching BBC Questions time.
Loads of Brexit enthusiasts lambasting Remain voters for referring to them as hateful xenophobes. Huge round of applause.
Seconds later. Dickheads arms goes up...
"When are we going to stop spending AID money on foreigners and spend it on our own instead?" Another round of applause.
Meanwhile, our Government is cosying up to despots and Islamic States for arms deals to replace EU trade.
Stupid cunts everywhere.
- drives me nuts just how predictably stupid people are. It's either conspiracy or hate. Both need to see that people are not the enemyIanbolton
- hang on, that sort of doesn't make sense! But you get what I mean yeah?Ianbolton
- amenfadein11
- I do. It's good ol' divide and conquer.monoboy
- Question Time is BBC troll-tv, designed to make you angry enough to engage with it.Fax_Benson
- True. UKIPs safest seat is on BBQ Question time.monoboy
- Just stop watching the BBC......mugwart
- even Poldark?Fax_Benson
- lowimpakt0
"Crush the saboteurs"
that's nice
- the country's togetherFax_Benson
- knocking one off over upskirt shots of 14yo celeb offspringFax_Benson
- trooperbill0
fucking genius move by TM. with a majority she can reshuffle and get rid of the nay sayers, dominate the house and get her stuff pushed through, provide "stability" whatever the fuck that means to help the 'conomy, plus 4 more years in power/at the trough.
theres no valid alternative tho - corbyn is a joke.
i do want a campaign based on investment tho. i think austerity has had its day.
- her words sounded a lot more like a dictatorship than a democracy though.chrisRG
- she can reshuffle the front bench anyway. The key is how many new brexit seats the tories can pinch and how that changes the back bench make-up.Fax_Benson
- what he said ^ loltrooperbill
- Clever move but I think it's all going to go pete tong. My money is on big protests and widespread anti Tory sentiment.microkorg
- monoboy2
Clueless. If the country votes Tory in June, we are crashing out of the EU on WTO rules.
- she hasn't got a clue. Arrogant idiot who thinks they are gonna play on our rules.fadein11
- "If the country votes Tory"
So you are crashing out of the EU thenyuekit - sadly, all she has to do is go running to the daily mail, make up some sob story about those evil europeans and thus shift blame. fucking bitch.Bluejam
- indeed bluejam. fucked up here at mo.fadein11
- Genuinely think this election could be closer than people think now the penny is starting to drop.monoboy
- possibly but as if Corbyn wants to manage this shitstorm. I genuinely doubt any of them want to left or right,fadein11
- Also, we've got two years of negotiations to go. They'll be exposed and public opinion will shift causing a second ref on the final terms of the agreement.monoboy
- Only the English Nationalists in Toryland and UKIPton will still want it.monoboy
- The self-serving swing voter boaks at anything that affects their pockets.monoboy
- yep +1fadein11
- fadein112
The article below is yet more proof our current govt is deluded and almost as embarrassing as the Trump admin.
How any leave voter thought we had an administration capable of dealing with the complexities of Brexit is beyond me.
Whatever the outcome it will be way worse than what we had before. Idiot media brainwashed leave fools opening a scary can of worms.
If she wins (which she almost certainly will) the UK is heading for some serious dark days.
- sorry to say I doubt Corbyn would handle it much better much as I respect him to a degree. No politician wants to be attached to this shit stormfadein11
- it's going to be someones nasty legacy in the history books - no wonder she looks like an old hag and ageing by the day. Not that I have any sympathy for her.fadein11
- Yeah watching from overseas, seems like a bubble mentality developing. "Muh nationalism" and therefore it will work. When every economist says otherwise.yuekit
- Also seems like the media is very right-wing in the UK, to the point where even if Labour nominated a centrist they would still be torn to shreds.yuekit
- @yurkit - yep a big chunk of the media is right - and it needs to change rapidly. Brexit would never have even come close without Murdoch's influence not tofadein11
- mention the main national disgrace paper - The Daily Mail.fadein11
- If the price we pay for this shitstorm is handing over the NHS as part of a US trade deal I personally will be marching. She has hinted at this already.fadein11
- detritus0
I really dislike this human being.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-pol…
"Brexit: Theresa May says she'll be 'bloody difficult' to Juncker"
'Who is going to be sitting on the other side of the table? It's either going to be me, or Jeremy Corbyn'
Why don't you cunts stop putting party before country?
- detritus0
I really don't know who to vote for when the election comes.
I was asked last night by a very good, politically-astute friend (whose father's apparently addressed the House of Lords in regards about Brexit) and I sat there stupid and embarassed, not knowing how to answer.
I don't want to vote any of the cunts, so... Green?
If I'm going to throw a vote away, may as well hoy it into the recycling bin...
- "*in regards to" evendetritus
- fucking hell "I was asked who I'd vote for". More speed, less haste, detritus. Or less speed, more haste - whichever's the one.detritus
- heard somebody say they were going to soil their ballot the other day. That's next level eco-voting.Fax_Benson
- no reason to be embarrassed. the choice is wretched. who's the politico friend voting for?Fax_Benson
- ha! I was so caught up in my ignance, i didn't ask, out of horror. I remember her being LibDem, and she was supporting Labour as the only opposition...detritus
- ..., so I got the impression she would vote tactically, in the vague hope that.. it'll never happen. I'll ask her. Put her on the spot.
What an obvious get-out!detritus - I'm not sure I trust anybody who says they're voting with conviction this time. How anyone sees anything in any of these clowns is beyond me.Fax_Benson
- Me neither, man. It's all a crock.detritus
- it's all a farce. I've reached a point I doubt they even count our votes...mugwart
- We cannot have another 5 years of tories really can we.fadein11
- Yes we can, fadein11. And we will, because it's apparently OK to' throw a vote away'. Apathy and ignorance comes very easily these days.Morning_star
- i'm more apathetic than most toward main stream politics but labour would be a no brainer if i could -kingsteven
- This quiz matches your beliefs to policy.
https://uk.isidewith…monoboy - I'm no tory and I've never voted for them, but, I think this incarnation of Labour is a less appealing than the alternative.Fax_Benson
- unfortunately where i am, id have to vote for a sleezy, conservative, anti-abortion cuntbag (SDLP) to ensure my vote would end up in a lib-lab pact.kingsteven
- which is saying somethingFax_Benson
- and the other local party that will transfer to labour (Alliance) and have a slim chance have shit for brains.kingsteven
- The next 5 years will be horrific under the tories but I am no big Corbyn fan - a lot of naive peeps supporting him at mo. Some people seem to think he inventedfadein11
- moderately left politics (his policies only look far left to people next to the current tory govt).fadein11
- he's pretty far left. he's in that wing of leftist politics that values ideological purity over all. Not dissimilar to the Tories' brexit-if-it-kills-u... loonsFax_Benson
- His policies are moderate left - not far left. They only appear that way because of how far to the right things have shifted.fadein11
- nonsense fax he's an old school socialist. you're fucking brainwashed if you think a perceived "ideological purity" in multilateralism is in any waykingsteven
- similar to the tories unilateral approach to brexitkingsteven
- old school socialist is precisely what I meant. And it's not 'perceived'. The reason him and McDonnell were pro brexit is because they think the ensuingFax_Benson
- wasteland is the ideal ground for their old-school socialist revival. The worse the better, just so long as he's got his safe Islington seat.Fax_Benson
- He's fighting anti-Bennites that don't exist anymore. He's in a 1980s sixth-form political daydream. Only now he gets to play with the actual Labour partyFax_Benson
- I do agree partially fax. But most of his policies I agree with. It's him as a leader and his team I worry about. He should be a policy maker not a leader.fadein11
- May wants to recreate Thatcher's 80s. Corbyn wants to recreate the last time Labour were wiped out completely. Both doing a fair job.Fax_Benson
- He hasn't got any policies. They're like Trump wishes. He's uncannily like Trump. Apart from the winning bit.Fax_Benson
- Journalists give you a hard time today Jeremy? Never mind. Go and have a rally, make yourself feel better.Fax_Benson
- yep I hate the way he only EVER speaks to his already converted faithful - that is one thing I cannot stand. But to say he has no policies is silly.fadein11
- How people still rack their brains over who to vote for boggles my mind. It's all a puppet theatre show with the same cunt's hands up both puppets. OBVIOUSLY********
- They laugh at us while we squabble endlessly over the small differences between the choices, while regardless the same overall agenda will continue.********
- Obviously.********
- Yep - I agree Set - but the Corbyn faithful would argue he is against exactly that. Which is why he will never get close to power. I'll eat my hat if he does.fadein11
- on the flipside people who opt out of voting also boggle my mind.fadein11
- yes set, i'd vote for heads on spikes... still i find it utterly insane that anyone can make any comparison between trump and corbyn.kingsteven
- How can both boggle your mind, fadein? That's complete oxymoron...********
- If you accept whoever gets in to power basically follows the same agenda, and that voting is pointless theatre, how can not voting boggle your mind too?********
- You misunderstood - I would say Corbyn is a candidate against exactly what you speak of. The idea that your 'agenda' can never be opted out of is v.pessimistic.fadein11
- Other nations manage it fine. The 2 party system of neolib tory vs neoliberal labour is supporting that system but doesn't mean it will always be like thatfadein11
- It can be opted out of by abstaining from contributing to it. No one person is going to save the world by being voted in. The system is the problem.********
- But I fear you may have dropped too far down the rabbithole again. May as well kill yourself if you accept that view of the world. Silly boy.fadein11
- disclaimer - I am not 100% behind Corbyn for various reasons already stated. But he is clearly the only choice in this election.fadein11
- May as well kill yourself or conform to the god-awful system that serves no one but the top 0.00001%. And you tell me I'M being pessimistic? haha********
- It's not pessimistic to enjoy your life and not waste precious energy or emotion on the most pointless of theatre shows designed to waste everyone's time.********
- More information is coming out day by day, slowly exposing these people at the top and what they've been doing to humanity. People are waking up slowly...********
- It's not pessimistic to enjoy life and wait for enough people to finally see the light. Enough people to actually change something.********
- Rather than spending your life distracted and emotionally engaged in the theatre show, continuously voting for false hope over and over.********
- I'm extremely optimistic about our future but I don't think wasting time voting for some cunt who works for the labour party is going to help much.********
- You really don't know a lot about Corbyn do you. As I have now said 3 times - he is opposed to the system you (we) despise. If you think he is a puppet fine butfadein11
- I disagree. His treatment in MSM and by his own party is proof of this. Anyway moving on - your getting your conspiracy knickers in a twist again :) Have a goodfadein11
- positive day opting out xfadein11
- you're*fadein11
- You are SOOOO Brighton it hurts.fadein11
- I've deliberately stopped insulting you and aim for a more refined exhange but you continue to hurl insults and digs at me, haha. Hypocrite extraordinaire********
- No one is getting conspiracy knickers in a twist. If that's what you need to say in response to my perfectly calm, calculated and rational response...********
- .. in order to convince yourself you're right. I get it, but you're not doing yourself any favours.********
- You started out by agreeing with my but just couldn't help yourself, could you?
:)******** - Lol. I'm pulling ya pud like you do to everyone round here everyday.
But I do worry about you opting out of an election which is likely going to see the end offadein11 - the NHS. That alone should be a reason to vote against the conservatives no? Because it will be part of a US trade deal for sure if they remain.fadein11
- as if "conspiracy knickers in a twist" is an insult! fucking idiot who goes round calling people simpletons because they disagree with you.fadein11
- There you again, haha.********
- There you go again, even. I'm not insulted by a word you say, I'm just pointing out that you do exactly what you constantly accuse me of.********
- Even when I've stopped actively made an effort to stop doing it to you. You call me intelligent one day and a fucking idiot then next.********
- May I suggest your own advice and calm down.********
- you are bright for sure but behave like an idiot at times - is that better :)
Okay - sorry. I do get annoyed when people opt our of the system however fucked itfadein11 - is because there is no way people will wake up and reform it from outside unless you propose a bloody revolution.fadein11
- Sorry for mildly insulting you.fadein11
- Much better. Enjoy your day..********
- Hah, missed that last note. You didn't me insult me in the slightest, just pointing out your hypocrisy.********
- sorry I made you feel bad then.fadein11
- cor, I go away for a day and this happens?
Trust a religionist to take an off-hand word-play joke literally - if I was so apathetic, why would I post this shit?detritus
