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  • maquito

    Happy saturday fellow qbnr's.
    Do any of you possess / carry guns?
    If so, which type? Holster? Cartdridges?

  • sureshot-1

    an AK47 kalashnikov dawg. wezzztside!

  • maquito-4

    Glock 43 9mm polymer semi-automatic pistol.

    Galco leather holster.

    Remington umc 9mm cartdridges.

    • Do you carry it with 1 chamberedgilgamush
    • I don't carry it, actually. I have in a safe, next to a full loaded mag. I use the holster just to move it from my house to the shooting range.maquito
    • It's less likely to being seen, and also a good excuse to own a holster :)maquito
    • Iwb strong sided huh. I prefer a larger frame appendix carry. Need a better safety to feel good about that though, glocks aren't my thing for that reasongilgamush
    • Glocks aren't your thing.monospaced
    • lol is there an echo in here. this manchild is back to following me around spewing bullshit, oh how charminggilgamush
    • Gilgamush carries it with one chambered.monospaced
  • detritus0

    • Lower frame 22mm?maquito
    • Does this imply that people who carry firearms are physically weak. If you lived in an area full of turmoil you would get the difference between beating someonegilgamush
    • Up and fighting for your property and wellbeing. If only the police and army had guns we would all be potential victims of autocrats and despotsgilgamush
    • You never have nor will need to fight for your property or well being. Nor would you need a gun. Only a scared bitch would think they need one.monospaced
    • And if you have I apologize. Didn't realize things were so hard. Please explain if I an incorrect.monospaced
    • And there I was thinking I'd posted a picture of some nerd showing off his ‘guns’.detritus
    • That was obvious. The fact someone would feel his manhood is attacked by this is absolutely tucking hilarious though.monospaced
    • nice little hate filled tantrum ben.you have the maturity of a twelve year oldgilgamush
    • I don't think you understand what tantrum means.monospaced
    • You must be the most insecure person if this image tipped you off. Me saying that isn't a tantrum. Your novel below does maybe though.monospaced
    • you bore megilgamush
    • Then ignore me.monospaced
    • or you could stop behaving like a childgilgamush
    • Not a single thing I said here was childish.monospaced
    • name calling and naive platitudes are all you have to offer. pure childishnessgilgamush
    • Name calling? That's all you buddy.monospaced
    • "I know you are but what am I" yawn, grow up bengilgamush
    • I didn't call you names.monospaced
  • iCanHazQBN7

    "If only the police and army had guns we would all be potential victims of autocrats and despots" -gilgamush

    LOL. What world does your mind live in?

    Speaking about the US, the military has the only guns that actually matter. Their weaponry is a million times more effective than your pistols and rifles. They can press a button and wipe out an entire city if they wanted.

    You are already living under despots. You possess ZERO power. They just like to make you think you do. When they sell you a gun, they're not selling "freedom", they're selling a product. They only keep us around because we're the consumers that buy their products so they can get richer and richer.

    They'll allow you to have your little guns, but never something that might actually threaten the military (tanks, drones, jets, nuclear, automatic weapons). Only handguns, so that poor people (non consumers) can kill each other over stupid shit like road rage and gang violence.

    The idea that us civilians can rise up and form militias and stand up to the government is long gone. The right to own a gun made sense when it was musket vs musket. Now it's pistol vs drone... pistol vs nuke... pistol vs fighter jet. These people waving their guns around shouting "freedom" look so silly.

    Owning a gun in a third world country with turmoil makes more sense, as it's still basically guns vs guns.

    • Sorry to divert your thread, maquito.iCanHazQBN
    • Conservatives are so stupid thoug. They're so pro-military that they've allowed the military to become incredibly over-funded and way too powerful to ever beat.iCanHazQBN
    • ...And yet in the same breath they tell each other that they can stand up to the military with their little pistols. Amazing logic.iCanHazQBN
    • If you don't have a gun you aren't a man you are just a pansy.monospaced
    • but but I'm gon hide in rem were hills n take pot shots.freedumcannonball1978
    • I've seen BOTH Red Dawn movies. All the U.S. would need is a group of angsty and defiant teens to fight back. No worries.ETM
    • Wake up sheeple!isleptwithsirenstonight
    • US Military was driven out of Iraq and Afghanistan by cheap infantry weapons, like guns.Pupsipu
    • What an idiotic post. Armed citizenry is to protect you from mass murdering govts like Germany, England, France, China, Austria, Iran, Russia, Africa, etc.Hayoth
    • Then the second part is to protect from people that call for people to be murdered who have a different opinion. Moldero for example wants that pharma CEO killeHayoth
    • Typical American mentality, believe guns are necessary for society, ignore the vast majority of civilized countries that don't have mass gun ownership and areyuekit
    • doing just fine (and in fact lack the mass shootings that happen in America on a weekly basis).yuekit
    • it's cool guys. icanhaz doesn't need to have the means to defend his person and property, the police and military will take care of him and pat him on the headgilgamush
    • and tell him what a good boy he is for bending over and submitting to the progressive brainwashing. you sound like someone with a raw kiester icanhaz, try thinkgilgamush
    • thinking for yourselfgilgamush
    • Defend my person from who? Someone else with a gun? What a destructive cycle your way of thinking creates. All it does is perpetuates fear.iCanHazQBN
    • "This guys might have a gun, so I need a gun!" Yeehaw. It's the fucking Wild West. And then you end up with people shooting each other for the dumbest reasonsiCanHazQBN
    • ..in the heat of the moment.iCanHazQBN
    • typical fallacious slippery slope nonsense and naive fuzzy thinking. and it's not my way of thinking you condescending prick, it's the reality of the situationgilgamush
    • If you want the reality of the situation, go compare US gun deaths to other 1st World gun deaths. This is not a civilized country.iCanHazQBN
    • all the more reason to be ready to respond with appropriate forcegilgamush
    • All that does is escalate the entire situation. He has a gun? I need a gun! He has a bigger gun? I need a bigger gun! It's primitive thinking.iCanHazQBN
    • yes, self preservation is a primitive reflex, so what. does that mean it is somehow enlightened to be a victimgilgamush
    • and btw, nobody is advocating this arms race fantasy of yoursgilgamush
    • LOLOLOLLpango
    • I like how ican makes fun of Christians yet has his own made up delusions about civilization. classicyurimon
    • The reality is no one can "protect" their family with guns. It would be lottery odds that you could. Make you sleep better? Sure.formed
    • but it's pure fantasy to think you can reliably "stop" anything. Too many Red Dawn fantasies running rampant.formed
    • I think you overly simplifying everything.yurimon
    • Ultimately, it's a fetish in the US justified by our "rights" and "freedoms". Pure fairy tales thinking.formed
    • (and before someone jumps on this, I am gun owner and have loved them since I could walk, but I am not disillusion)formed
    • I may, though, have to arm myself to protect myself from all these "heros" and open carry nut jobs appearing all over the place. Those are who I am afraid of.formed
    • thats the programing at work, for the majority of people.yurimon
    • You are most programmed of all yuri. Always spouting the same predictable right-wing libertarian ideology.
      Think 4 yrslf!!!
      yuekit
    • Gun ownership = fact of life in the U.S. but let's not pretend it has nothing to do with all the mass killings. The stats vs. other countries are pretty clear.yuekit
    • spoken like a true media frenzy dickwad. you should read more about where all this ideas come from historically going back to england.yurimon
    • There is alot of historical context to back up the argument for this right
      insert ignorant response below
      yurimon
    • So guns prevent government from becoming tyrannical but according to you we live under a tyrannical government right now, in a country with highest per capitayuekit
    • gun ownership. Doesn't even make sense according to your own logic.yuekit
    • oh guad. go research the subject in english law and history.yurimon
    • It's not about red dawn, it's about the nutcase chechnian or the deranged white kid or the home invader, I need to be able to meet them with equal force. The gogilgamush
    • Government wants you to think guns are bad so you will give up your personal responsibility and become dependant on them like a child. Nothing to do with rebellgilgamush
    • Rebellion, its about refusing to submit all personal responsibility in the name of the gubment keeping you 'safe'. When in reality, they can't keep you safe. Ungilgamush
    • Unless Tom Cruise and the precogs from minority report swing through, you are on your own while all manner of craziness is going downgilgamush
    • "Manner of craziness"? How laughable. Are you prepping for the zombie apocalypse? Seems all the craziness comes from people with guns shooting each other.iCanHazQBN
    • ican. its common sense that if fabric of society falls. you may not have access to the chain of services you are used to. tell me who has the advantage in thisyurimon
    • situation. those who have land, defense can produce food or those who depend heavy on the machine? this is common sense when things become unsustainableyurimon
    • you are just an example of heavy conditioning in your consumption of media, movies. like a cartoon character.yurimon
    • I stated what kinds of craziness, are you slow. I said domestic terrorists and home invaders etcgilgamush
    • it's so hard to tell who's joking who's serious in these notes anymore...pango
    • Allyall just talking pinions and hypothetical situations. can someone pull up some numbers and stats and post it not in the note.pango
    • also when arguments breaks out. swords are much classier as settling scores.
      http://i.imgur.com/0…
      pango
  • scarabin0

    i have airsoft versions of mp5, mp4, mac11, glock 18c, FPG, desert eagle and hi-capa.

    to me guns aren't really that fun unless you can run around and shoot people with 'em

    • + a g36scarabin
    • Fuck yeah — this is the prime reason for gun control, assholes like us would just go around shooting shit. I'd fucking love an RPG. I really shouldn't have one.detritus
    • custom g&g m4 w noveske 13" rail, king arms gas dragunov svd, kwc 1911, tokyo marui springersprophetone
    • want of the day: socom gear barrett m107 co2 shell ejecting lovelinessprophetone
    • PDR + M&P9Peter
  • gilgamush-9

    cz 2075 rami in 40 hollows . i like the hydrashock federal premiums, and a cheap desantis iwb,very discreet carry

    cz p09 also 40, good duty sized sidearm

    “The Gun Is Civilization” by Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)

    Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that’s it.

    In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

    When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or
    numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

    There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we’d be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger’s potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat–it has no validity when most of a mugger’s potential marks are armed.

    People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that’s the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

    Then there’s the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don’t constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst.

    The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon that’s as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn’t work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn’t both lethal and easily employable.

    When I carry a gun, I don’t do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I’m looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn’t limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation...

    and that’s why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

    • #logicalfallaciesisleptwithsirenstonight
    • do you ever actually say anything of valuegilgamush
    • This rant has some of the stupidest statements I've read in a long time.nb
    • "When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force." Um, yes, I can. People with guns are victims of violence on a regular basis.nb
    • he is working under the assumption that if you carry a firearm that you have trained how to use it. gang shootouts are not a concern of people not in gangsgilgamush
    • So you're carrying your gun but I am 100 yards away with a rifle, or standing behind you with another handgun.Like all gun advocates, you're an idiot.comicsans
    • https://www.youtube.…isleptwithsirenstonight
    • "gang shootouts are not a concern of people not in gangs"?! you sure about that?ben_
    • Comicsans, you are a simpleton, no one is talking about murdering people except you. Seek therapy. Ben_ yea, and the families of gangbangers who catch a stray.gilgamush
    • If you are in a neighborhood with gang violence move the fuck outta there, problem solved. Better to be poor than deadgilgamush
    • Same line of reasoning could be applied to wherever you live. If you need a gun to feel safe, maybe it's time to move? I dunno, it's useless debating this.ben_
    • ok, now i see your reasoning. You live a sad existence. Put down the foil hat and get out and see the rest of the world, it's not so bad, weight lifters aren't_niko
    • mugging octogenarians en masse lol._niko
    • and government's aren't enslaving the people._niko
    • are you pango's other account, you make no sense like him, and type like him toogilgamush
  • Hayoth0

    Moms demand action suicides someone that disagrees with them. Then laugh hilariously.

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  • Maaku2

    My wife won't let me get one :(

  • GeorgesIV5

    This is bullshit,
    guns are the fabric of american society,
    anyone who disagree with me can pick up their shit and move to a country like netherland or that hell hole norway where guns kill more people than polio!!!

    you don't like it, just kill yourself,
    > ooooooooh no you can't, coz you have no GUNNNS!!!

    Trump2k16!!

  • youngdesigner-4

  • isleptwithsirenstonight2

  • GeorgesIV3

    lets say ur in a life er death situation,
    a lion, a seal and a chupacabra r fu**n runnin after u,

    wen do u stohp and axe urself,
    fuck I wish I had a gun??

    BTW: This exact story happened to a friend of mine,
    RIP in Peace Jim :(

  • yurimon-1

  • dirtydesign1

    remington express 12 gauge
    beretta 20 gauge side by side

  • isleptwithsirenstonight-1

    • hi didn't have one.uan
    • You tell em Pope!utopian
    • to protect him from other people with gun? the cycle? divided by zero?pango
  • maquito0

    Wow, things escalated quickly.

  • maquito0

    I had no intention to start a philosophical discussion... Anyway, in my country, possession and carry have two very different permits and regulations. In my case, I only have a gun possession license. I don't need to carry a gun, and even if wanted to, I would have to justify a lot of things (transferring huge amounts of money, for example). Thus, I can only carry a gun: from my house to a shooting range, unloaded, and out of sight.

    I like to practice, it's an expensive but very enjoyable hobby. I'd never use a gun for self-defence, since the penal code legislation in my country only allows the use a of a fire-arm on self-defence inside your home, and pretty much makes yourself responsible as the gun holder, of any action. At home, I keep it in a safe, as I mentioned in a previous comment.

    • NYC has very similar laws.dirtydesign
    • Aren't you the guy with 9 katanas as well?Maaku
    • Nope, no katanas.maquito
    • Come on over to the great state of new hampshiregilgamush
    • "live free or die"monospaced
    • do you also have knives and/or swords, gilgamush?monospaced
    • and throwing stars! throwing stars are cool!pango
    • Oooooooh kellygilgamush
    • dude, it was a legit question, since we're talking about weapons and you seem to have them, that's allmonospaced
    • and by the way, Maaku and pango are asking the same damn thing... why don't you go threaten to email their significant others?monospaced
    • You are the only one following me around talking stupid at me. Find somebody else's nutsack to ride around ongilgamush
    • I'm not following you around, I'm reading threads like anyone and everyone else. And there are others talking way more "stupid" at you right now, evidenced heremonospaced
    • nobody addressed me personally, just you, the nutsack rider, true to formgilgamush
    • personally? what the hell are you talking about? Maaku asked if you had katanas, and pango asked if you had throwing stars. I just asked if you had a swordmonospaced
    • Maaku didn't ask me anything, but you know that, you sure love playing stupid, it's your second favorite thing to do behind nut hugginggilgamush
    • He did, actually. Look at the 2nd comment here.monospaced
    • stop playing supidgilgamush
  • gilgamush0

    so a retired usmc major has been called a stupid idiot here, that's nice. how about these guys, are they idiots also to ye ever so enlightened bourgeoisie artismal types.

    "A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined..."
    - George Washington, First Annual Address, to both House of Congress, January 8, 1790

    "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
    - Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776

    "I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
    - Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787

    "What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
    - Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

    "The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
    - Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776

    "A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 19, 1785

    "The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
    - Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824

    "On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
    - Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823

    "I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence ... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy."
    - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778

    “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
    - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

    "To disarm the people...[i]s the most effectual way to enslave them."
    - George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788

    "I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
    - George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788

    "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
    - Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787

    "Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
    - James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

    "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
    - James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789

    "...the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone..."
    - James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

    "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
    - William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783

    “A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves...and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms... "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
    - Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

    "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
    - Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

    "This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty.... The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction."
    - St. George Tucker, Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England, 1803

    "The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms, like law, discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance ofpower is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside. And while a single nation refuses to lay them down, it is proper that all should keep them up. Horrid mischief would ensue were one-half the world deprived of the use of them; for while avarice and ambition have a place in the heart of man, the weak will become a prey to the strong. The history of every age and nation establishes these truths, and facts need but little arguments when they prove themselves."
    - Thomas Paine, "Thoughts on Defensive War" in Pennsylvania Magazine, July 1775

    "The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
    - Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788

    "The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
    - Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, 1833

    "What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty .... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins."
    - Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, I Annals of Congress 750, August 17, 1789

    "For it is a truth, which the experience of ages has attested, that the people are always most in danger when the means of injuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion."
    - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 25, December 21, 1787

    "If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
    - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

    "[I]f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist."
    - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28, January 10, 1788

    but they are just a bunch of idiot gun nuts, and the world has changed so much in 200 years that all this is out of context right. not even close. it is never more true than now, our founding fathers would be disgusted by most of you lot

    • LOL. What a huge list of worthless quotes.iCanHazQBN
    • Like I said before. In those days it was musket vs musket. Militias could ACTUALLY defend themselves from a tyrannical government.iCanHazQBN
    • With all the Military-funding that conservatives push for, we stand no chance against the military's technological weaponry.iCanHazQBN
    • It's pathetic. The right-wingers did it to themselves, and they don't even realize it. We're past the point of no return. Your dinky little handguns stand noiCanHazQBN
    • chance against drones, jets, auto-weapons, and nukes.iCanHazQBN
    • You look truly silly talking about "defending yourself against the government". If they wanted to, they could wipe you out in the blink of an eye.iCanHazQBN
    • I can't believe you just listed all these worthless quotes from two centuries ago. I think you've seen "The Patriot" one too many times.iCanHazQBN
    • It's just a an empty justification for a gun fetish. No one can truly believe these silly comments about "freedom" and "protection",formed
    • they just want to play with their Glock and M-10.formed
    • It's about trying to feel tough and becoming a hero if the chance ever comes up. Their mindset is stuck in the cowboy days. Really a fetish. Shiny guns.. ooh.iCanHazQBN
    • They're like children with a new toy. Still playing cowboys and Indians in their heads.iCanHazQBN
    • yeah gilga, dont you know being free is outdated. just bow down to authority already. like ican and the others.yurimon
    • dont you get it? this is the age of subjugation and ignorance of everything we learned as truth is false. give in bruh. let the ignorance flow inyurimon
    • let the progressive, politically correct control take your mind and mold it. so what if history repeats itself. "ignorance is freedom."yurimon
    • ican has given up a long time ago and so should you broh.yurimon
    • Yuri, do you actually think your guns are giving you "freedom"? Do you think the government is shaking in their boots because of your handguns?iCanHazQBN
    • You are supremely naive if you think your guns really matter in this day and age. The fact that you equate those things is ridiculous.iCanHazQBN
    • You're not on equal footing to create militias that can stand up to the most powerful military Earth has ever seen. You might as well be carrying a slingshot.iCanHazQBN
    • I'm literally laughing out loud here, thinking about how you think your guns give you freedom. It's silly as fuck.iCanHazQBN
    • Guns are a product, buddy. You're just a consumer.iCanHazQBN
    • If you really want "freedom", go protest outside Congress to change the laws about owning tanks, automatic-weapons, fighter jets, and nuclear weapons.iCanHazQBN
    • You have already bowed down to authority long ago. And conservatives continue to do it because they're so pro-military, and taking tax money away fromiCanHazQBN
    • the military would be akin to sinning and is "anti-American". They built their own grave and don't realize it. It's truly pathetic.iCanHazQBN
    • i dont get where you label people one group or another. the great enlightenment failed. you have demonstrated this well. you have to dive into a whole otheryurimon
    • discipline of law. you just spew ignorance like you know something. go research and get back to me. mmkay? its more complex then your europe fetish.yurimon
    • other concepts of law that are intertwined together. i like how you hate the document that lets you post freely. europe doesnt have levels of free speechyurimon
    • writen into its core. wait till eu becomes like the states one federal catastrifuck. tell me the basis of your ideas? give me you fantasy.yurimon
    • I like how instead of discussing it here, you just deflect arguments by saying "go research it".iCanHazQBN
    • One argument by you and gilgamush is that you need guns to protect you from a tyrannical government. And I'm saying you don't stand a chance against them...iCanHazQBN
    • Please tell me how you will fight the US military with your handguns. Do you honestly believe that you stand a chance? Can I have a yes or no answer?iCanHazQBN
    • The only reason they let you have these guns is because they DON'T threaten the government. They're a product.iCanHazQBN
    • The product is guns. The tagline is "freedom". And you're just a consumer. It's a billion dollar business. And you fell for the advertising.iCanHazQBN
    • I'm ok with people being allowed to own guns from the period of these quotes. Any gun design from pre-1800 is probably fine.nb
    • Protecting your property and family is a concept very foreign to you pc principle esque brohs. Shout people down with insults, nice workgilgamush
    • Wait, you haven't answered my question about this specific post. We're talking about your argument about standing up to the military with your handguns.iCanHazQBN
    • You don't answer that, and then you shift your reasons to "protecting my family/property". Protecting your property from who? Other people with guns? LOL.iCanHazQBN
    • I'm not shouting you down with insults. I'm shouting you down with logic.iCanHazQBN
    • In this post you imply we need guns to protect ourselves from a bully government. And I'm telling you that you don't stand a chance.iCanHazQBN
    • Please explain to me how you will defeat the US military with handguns. You can't. your argument fails miserably and obviously.iCanHazQBN
    • They could drone your house to pieces if they wanted to.iCanHazQBN
    • Yes, yes, you are the loudest idiot, gonna wave around your slam dunk talking point and ignore the obvious. What happened in Vietnam dipshit, what happened in Fgilgamush
    • Fallujah, Afghanistan, Iraq, Colombia, the list of guerrilla insurgence that held their own goes on and on, stop blathering the same nonsencegilgamush
    • *nonsensegilgamush
    • You guys lost in Vietnam cuz of politics. Not out gunned.pango
    • listen tour of duty counts as experience. give ican some slack here. lets see if he takes his own advice and at least researches his own position.yurimon
    • pango if you can handle krytonite and you should read strategy. there is plenty of analisis around on this subject.yurimon
    • broader issue in this country more of dumbing down of people even though we are flooded by more info then ever.yurimon
    • very true, it's the realization of cultural marxismgilgamush
    • Insurgents "won" in Afghanistan and Iraq because the US let them. The US wants them to succeed so that the US will have a reason to stay there indefinitely.iCanHazQBN
    • War = money. They've been there for 12 years. They have no interest in pulling out.iCanHazQBN
    • what's wrong dipshit, run out of your tired talking points and moved on to conspiracy theories have we. you are just another domestic america hater raised bygilgamush
    • hippies and brainwashed by the marxist education system, how's that for a conspiracy theory you limp dicked simpletongilgamush
    • tltrmilfhunter
  • detritus7

    Oh do shut up you pointless bore - most of the civilised world gets on by quite happily without the fucking things, so why don't you fuck off down to your local range and pump your pointless misdirected rage at your tiny undersized penis into a couple of targets?

    Sheesh you lot are fucking dull.

    • Fact is, there are more guns than citizens in the US, which is outright fucking stupid, so it's too late to put the genie back in the bottle.detritus
    • but that is i no way at all a good thing. you relentless gun nuts are the very root of the destruction of your stupid constituion.detritus
    • stupid = 'precious'.

      I don't see any rage directed at all the corporations who routinely trample on the fucking thing.
      detritus
    • ^Seriously.ben_
    • in fact, these same morons routinely vilify anyone protesting big business.ben_
    • I apologise.

      I came back into my shitty little studio here in a bad mood beforehand. I stand by my points, but retract the 'tiny penis' comment.
      detritus
    • i like how you disguise self hatred and ignorance as righteousnessyurimon
    • No. I post a stupid picture up above and am jumped upon as having somehow questioned someone's fucking manliness. I did no such thing. Childish.detritus
    • me too, to be fair.

      I should really have better things than to spastically trombone into some website.
      detritus
    • Gun ownership and culture as it exists in the States is deeply unhealthy, I'm sorry you don't see that. As I said though - it's too fucking late, so go crazy.detritus
    • Just don't expect people in equivalent countries that don't face your ridiculous gun/murder rates to sympathise with your position. Sorry.detritus
    • high gun ownership in Switzerland but low murder rates. go fish. rated amongst most desirable place to live. right?yurimon
    • yeah but SwitzerlandFax_Benson
    • Yuri, your point about switzerland stands. Do you think the gun debate is taking your attention away from the things that matter in your country?ben_
    • that alot of other problems before this issue. its political favorite amongst people who pretend to care and avoid other more pressing shit.yurimon
    • selective progressive caring.yurimon
    • I agree with you there, It's certainly not high on my list of things to care about, but I still think you're arguing from one side of the fence here, as much asben_
    • it's "selective progressive caring" it's arguably more so on the side of NRA nuts. Their country is falling apart around them and top of mind is the right toben_
    • have a pistol... I guess they will probably need it sooner or later.ben_
    • anyway, cheers... 200 years of gun toting psychopathy has the rest of the world looking at you guys in disbelief. Hope it changes for your sake and ours.ben_
    • more like: has the rest of the world climbing a high horse on some sour grapes shit. yes americans are fat and love guns, do you resentful pedants feel bettergilgamush
    • You use words like you know what they mean. prob you integrate movies to much into your concepts and discard history as a hole or its segments. psychopathy?yurimon
    • you need some perspective. maybe watch another movie or main stream news a bit more.yurimon
    • lol, did you miss the sarcasm yuri. on another note it is a strange assumption to think that firing a gun has anything to do with getting out rage. strange freugilgamush
    • freudian things going on in your head with all the talk of cocks and rage detritus. one thing is for sure, it has nothing to do with fire armsgilgamush
    • oh, whoops, guess you weren't talking to me yuri. nm, carry ongilgamush
    • All you cunts that quote Switzerland...well perhaps they may just be normal but Americans are just fuckwits in no way capable of owning guns responsibly.BusterBoy
  • ben_2


    It's kind of telling though that you're referencing quotes from 200 years ago which apply directly to tyrannical government, but your earlier statements are all about "muggers" and keeping your personal property safe, absolutely zero mention of making sure your government doesn't screw you and your countrymen over financially, socially and corporeally by sending you to far flung lands to kill others for no good reason (which is why these quotes are completely out of context when it comes to your argument).

    • haha, typical of a massaged and sculpted brain of a canadian commentingyurimon
    • Nice jab, yuri! Next time something with substance.iCanHazQBN
    • where is your substance?. its just banter. but let me guess you guys are smarter than the people who founded this country.yurimon
    • How is it banter? You state that you need guns to protect from tyrannical government. I say you don't stand a chance against the military.iCanHazQBN
    • You have zero rebuttal for your position. Unless you do actually believe your little guns can fight against the military... ? loliCanHazQBN
    • This conversation seems over to me. Your argument fails. This isn't the 18th Century. When the 2nd amendment was written,iCanHazQBN
    • they were playing around with freaking muskets and cannons.iCanHazQBN
    • All the 2nd amendment implies now is "You have to right to buy a gun because you're just a consumer now".iCanHazQBN
    • Why don't they let you have tanks and WMD's??? Have you ever asked yourself that? Oh right, because those might actually put up a fight.iCanHazQBN
    • For some reason you still can't get this extremely simple concept through your head. Your guns don't mean shit against tyranny.iCanHazQBN
    • We have two options:
      1. Stop blindly funding the military and downscale it MASSIVELY.
      iCanHazQBN
    • 2. Try to elect level-headed, reasonable leaders and hope for the best.iCanHazQBN
    • Guns don't mean shit. Technology made the handgun obsolete a long time ago. They are toys. That's why you're allowed to have them.iCanHazQBN
    • And the only people that end up dying are, not tyrannical governments, but civilians.iCanHazQBN
    • Yuri, do you create your own confirmation bias when you read what others write? I think the quotes gilgamush posted are valid, I'm just calling attention to theben_
    • fact that he (and so many of the 2nd amendment nuts) never lead with it as an a justification of their beliefs. It's always offered up as a sort of ethicalben_
    • compromise once "I need to protect myself and my property at any cost" fails in the face of the larger social impact.ben_
    • you guys talking about social impact? how about car accidents, and people killed from the medical establishment? do you guys care about real stats or just biasyurimon
    • I guess if you want to divert endlessly... I care about those things too - do you want to bring up the sugar empire, deforestation, the cattle industry, etc,ben_
    • etc, ad nauseam? The topic was regarding guns. So you know... that's what people are talking about.ben_
    • Car gets people to work... Gun doesn't.... Medical establishment still safes more life than it kills. Ya... Dumb argument.pango
    • there are so many guerilla groups possessing only small arms that the us military hasn't been able to handle that your argument is just silly. also, a fair amougilgamush
    • amount of those quotes i posted dealt with personal protection. you guys think labeling me a nut for holding true to the constitution and the views of the men wgilgamush
    • who wrote it is the way to go than go fuck yourself, and stay your ass in europe or canada. this country was founded on fire power and that isn't going to changgilgamush
    • change because some yuppie artismal types wan't to opt out, or because a bunch of resentful foreigners want to shout the loudest about the eeevil of gun culturegilgamush
    • Sure you can have sugar. But no need to go obesity on your self.pango
    • pango, books have kryptonite in them keep away.yurimon
    • "this country was founded on fire power and that isn't going to change" -gilgamush << this is exactly the cowboy mentality I'm talking about.iCanHazQBN
    • When it really comes down to it, it's all about being macho.iCanHazQBN
    • And yuri talking about car accidents and medical deaths. LOL. So just because there are other problems in the world, we can't address this one specifically??iCanHazQBN
    • Hey yuri, when a friend is talking to you about one of their problems, do you say things like "Stop complaining, there are starving children in Africa!"iCanHazQBN
    • I find it astonishingly easy to bring down your fragile reasons for owning a gun.iCanHazQBN
    • Yeah, once there are zero car accidents and zero medical deaths, then we can finally get to this gun problem << Yuri's logic.iCanHazQBN
    • you haven't brought down anything but whatever makes you feel better pal. if all you get out of the wall of quotes i posted is that our forefathers were machogilgamush
    • than you are far to stupid to waste time having a conversation withgilgamush
    • besides that, in a country with more guns than people you would be an idiot to be the only one without one, but hey, that's a fragile reason according to yougilgamush
    • *toogilgamush
    • So it IS an arms race? Because that's what you just implied in your last note. Earlier you said it's not an arms race. LOL. Pick a position please.iCanHazQBN
    • The forefathers wrote that in with no concept of how technology would impact weaponry. They could never imagine nukes and jets and drones.iCanHazQBN
    • You all keep saying I have a Euro fetish. Well you have a forefathers fetish, with this idea that everything they came up with was correct.iCanHazQBN
    • They were fucking slaveowners.iCanHazQBN
    • It's ridiculous to expect modern society to function under centuries old ideas that no longer apply.iCanHazQBN
    • they apply just fine. and you either don't know what the phrase 'an arms race' means or you are playing stupid. either way, the bullshit you spew is tiresome togilgamush
    • me. go back to europe if you are so terrified of guns because here in the states you are surrounded with them and the little conscientious objector routine isgilgamush
    • useless and tiresomegilgamush