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    It's kind of telling though that you're referencing quotes from 200 years ago which apply directly to tyrannical government, but your earlier statements are all about "muggers" and keeping your personal property safe, absolutely zero mention of making sure your government doesn't screw you and your countrymen over financially, socially and corporeally by sending you to far flung lands to kill others for no good reason (which is why these quotes are completely out of context when it comes to your argument).

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    • haha, typical of a massaged and sculpted brain of a canadian commentingyurimon
    • Nice jab, yuri! Next time something with substance.iCanHazQBN
    • where is your substance?. its just banter. but let me guess you guys are smarter than the people who founded this country.yurimon
    • How is it banter? You state that you need guns to protect from tyrannical government. I say you don't stand a chance against the military.iCanHazQBN
    • You have zero rebuttal for your position. Unless you do actually believe your little guns can fight against the military... ? loliCanHazQBN
    • This conversation seems over to me. Your argument fails. This isn't the 18th Century. When the 2nd amendment was written,iCanHazQBN
    • they were playing around with freaking muskets and cannons.iCanHazQBN
    • All the 2nd amendment implies now is "You have to right to buy a gun because you're just a consumer now".iCanHazQBN
    • Why don't they let you have tanks and WMD's??? Have you ever asked yourself that? Oh right, because those might actually put up a fight.iCanHazQBN
    • For some reason you still can't get this extremely simple concept through your head. Your guns don't mean shit against tyranny.iCanHazQBN
    • We have two options:
      1. Stop blindly funding the military and downscale it MASSIVELY.      iCanHazQBN
    • 2. Try to elect level-headed, reasonable leaders and hope for the best.iCanHazQBN
    • Guns don't mean shit. Technology made the handgun obsolete a long time ago. They are toys. That's why you're allowed to have them.iCanHazQBN
    • And the only people that end up dying are, not tyrannical governments, but civilians.iCanHazQBN
    • Yuri, do you create your own confirmation bias when you read what others write? I think the quotes gilgamush posted are valid, I'm just calling attention to theben_
    • fact that he (and so many of the 2nd amendment nuts) never lead with it as an a justification of their beliefs. It's always offered up as a sort of ethicalben_
    • compromise once "I need to protect myself and my property at any cost" fails in the face of the larger social impact.ben_
    • you guys talking about social impact? how about car accidents, and people killed from the medical establishment? do you guys care about real stats or just biasyurimon
    • I guess if you want to divert endlessly... I care about those things too - do you want to bring up the sugar empire, deforestation, the cattle industry, etc,ben_
    • etc, ad nauseam? The topic was regarding guns. So you know... that's what people are talking about.ben_
    • Car gets people to work... Gun doesn't.... Medical establishment still safes more life than it kills. Ya... Dumb argument.pango
    • there are so many guerilla groups possessing only small arms that the us military hasn't been able to handle that your argument is just silly. also, a fair amougilgamush
    • amount of those quotes i posted dealt with personal protection. you guys think labeling me a nut for holding true to the constitution and the views of the men wgilgamush
    • who wrote it is the way to go than go fuck yourself, and stay your ass in europe or canada. this country was founded on fire power and that isn't going to changgilgamush
    • change because some yuppie artismal types wan't to opt out, or because a bunch of resentful foreigners want to shout the loudest about the eeevil of gun culturegilgamush
    • Sure you can have sugar. But no need to go obesity on your self.pango
    • pango, books have kryptonite in them keep away.yurimon
    • "this country was founded on fire power and that isn't going to change" -gilgamush << this is exactly the cowboy mentality I'm talking about.iCanHazQBN
    • When it really comes down to it, it's all about being macho.iCanHazQBN
    • And yuri talking about car accidents and medical deaths. LOL. So just because there are other problems in the world, we can't address this one specifically??iCanHazQBN
    • Hey yuri, when a friend is talking to you about one of their problems, do you say things like "Stop complaining, there are starving children in Africa!"iCanHazQBN
    • I find it astonishingly easy to bring down your fragile reasons for owning a gun.iCanHazQBN
    • Yeah, once there are zero car accidents and zero medical deaths, then we can finally get to this gun problem << Yuri's logic.iCanHazQBN
    • you haven't brought down anything but whatever makes you feel better pal. if all you get out of the wall of quotes i posted is that our forefathers were machogilgamush
    • than you are far to stupid to waste time having a conversation withgilgamush
    • besides that, in a country with more guns than people you would be an idiot to be the only one without one, but hey, that's a fragile reason according to yougilgamush
    • *toogilgamush
    • So it IS an arms race? Because that's what you just implied in your last note. Earlier you said it's not an arms race. LOL. Pick a position please.iCanHazQBN
    • The forefathers wrote that in with no concept of how technology would impact weaponry. They could never imagine nukes and jets and drones.iCanHazQBN
    • You all keep saying I have a Euro fetish. Well you have a forefathers fetish, with this idea that everything they came up with was correct.iCanHazQBN
    • They were fucking slaveowners.iCanHazQBN
    • It's ridiculous to expect modern society to function under centuries old ideas that no longer apply.iCanHazQBN
    • they apply just fine. and you either don't know what the phrase 'an arms race' means or you are playing stupid. either way, the bullshit you spew is tiresome togilgamush
    • me. go back to europe if you are so terrified of guns because here in the states you are surrounded with them and the little conscientious objector routine isgilgamush
    • useless and tiresomegilgamush
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