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    so a retired usmc major has been called a stupid idiot here, that's nice. how about these guys, are they idiots also to ye ever so enlightened bourgeoisie artismal types.

    "A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined..."
    - George Washington, First Annual Address, to both House of Congress, January 8, 1790

    "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
    - Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776

    "I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
    - Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787

    "What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
    - Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

    "The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
    - Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776

    "A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 19, 1785

    "The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
    - Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824

    "On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
    - Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823

    "I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence ... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy."
    - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778

    “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
    - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

    "To disarm the people...[i]s the most effectual way to enslave them."
    - George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788

    "I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
    - George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788

    "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
    - Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787

    "Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
    - James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

    "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
    - James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789

    "...the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone..."
    - James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788

    "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
    - William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783

    “A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves...and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms... "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
    - Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

    "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
    - Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

    "This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty.... The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction."
    - St. George Tucker, Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England, 1803

    "The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms, like law, discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance ofpower is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside. And while a single nation refuses to lay them down, it is proper that all should keep them up. Horrid mischief would ensue were one-half the world deprived of the use of them; for while avarice and ambition have a place in the heart of man, the weak will become a prey to the strong. The history of every age and nation establishes these truths, and facts need but little arguments when they prove themselves."
    - Thomas Paine, "Thoughts on Defensive War" in Pennsylvania Magazine, July 1775

    "The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
    - Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788

    "The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
    - Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, 1833

    "What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty .... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins."
    - Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, I Annals of Congress 750, August 17, 1789

    "For it is a truth, which the experience of ages has attested, that the people are always most in danger when the means of injuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion."
    - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 25, December 21, 1787

    "If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
    - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

    "[I]f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist."
    - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28, January 10, 1788

    but they are just a bunch of idiot gun nuts, and the world has changed so much in 200 years that all this is out of context right. not even close. it is never more true than now, our founding fathers would be disgusted by most of you lot

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    • LOL. What a huge list of worthless quotes.iCanHazQBN
    • Like I said before. In those days it was musket vs musket. Militias could ACTUALLY defend themselves from a tyrannical government.iCanHazQBN
    • With all the Military-funding that conservatives push for, we stand no chance against the military's technological weaponry.iCanHazQBN
    • It's pathetic. The right-wingers did it to themselves, and they don't even realize it. We're past the point of no return. Your dinky little handguns stand noiCanHazQBN
    • chance against drones, jets, auto-weapons, and nukes.iCanHazQBN
    • You look truly silly talking about "defending yourself against the government". If they wanted to, they could wipe you out in the blink of an eye.iCanHazQBN
    • I can't believe you just listed all these worthless quotes from two centuries ago. I think you've seen "The Patriot" one too many times.iCanHazQBN
    • It's just a an empty justification for a gun fetish. No one can truly believe these silly comments about "freedom" and "protection",formed
    • they just want to play with their Glock and M-10.formed
    • It's about trying to feel tough and becoming a hero if the chance ever comes up. Their mindset is stuck in the cowboy days. Really a fetish. Shiny guns.. ooh.iCanHazQBN
    • They're like children with a new toy. Still playing cowboys and Indians in their heads.iCanHazQBN
    • yeah gilga, dont you know being free is outdated. just bow down to authority already. like ican and the others.yurimon
    • dont you get it? this is the age of subjugation and ignorance of everything we learned as truth is false. give in bruh. let the ignorance flow inyurimon
    • let the progressive, politically correct control take your mind and mold it. so what if history repeats itself. "ignorance is freedom."yurimon
    • ican has given up a long time ago and so should you broh.yurimon
    • Yuri, do you actually think your guns are giving you "freedom"? Do you think the government is shaking in their boots because of your handguns?iCanHazQBN
    • You are supremely naive if you think your guns really matter in this day and age. The fact that you equate those things is ridiculous.iCanHazQBN
    • You're not on equal footing to create militias that can stand up to the most powerful military Earth has ever seen. You might as well be carrying a slingshot.iCanHazQBN
    • I'm literally laughing out loud here, thinking about how you think your guns give you freedom. It's silly as fuck.iCanHazQBN
    • Guns are a product, buddy. You're just a consumer.iCanHazQBN
    • If you really want "freedom", go protest outside Congress to change the laws about owning tanks, automatic-weapons, fighter jets, and nuclear weapons.iCanHazQBN
    • You have already bowed down to authority long ago. And conservatives continue to do it because they're so pro-military, and taking tax money away fromiCanHazQBN
    • the military would be akin to sinning and is "anti-American". They built their own grave and don't realize it. It's truly pathetic.iCanHazQBN
    • i dont get where you label people one group or another. the great enlightenment failed. you have demonstrated this well. you have to dive into a whole otheryurimon
    • discipline of law. you just spew ignorance like you know something. go research and get back to me. mmkay? its more complex then your europe fetish.yurimon
    • other concepts of law that are intertwined together. i like how you hate the document that lets you post freely. europe doesnt have levels of free speechyurimon
    • writen into its core. wait till eu becomes like the states one federal catastrifuck. tell me the basis of your ideas? give me you fantasy.yurimon
    • I like how instead of discussing it here, you just deflect arguments by saying "go research it".iCanHazQBN
    • One argument by you and gilgamush is that you need guns to protect you from a tyrannical government. And I'm saying you don't stand a chance against them...iCanHazQBN
    • Please tell me how you will fight the US military with your handguns. Do you honestly believe that you stand a chance? Can I have a yes or no answer?iCanHazQBN
    • The only reason they let you have these guns is because they DON'T threaten the government. They're a product.iCanHazQBN
    • The product is guns. The tagline is "freedom". And you're just a consumer. It's a billion dollar business. And you fell for the advertising.iCanHazQBN
    • I'm ok with people being allowed to own guns from the period of these quotes. Any gun design from pre-1800 is probably fine.nb
    • Protecting your property and family is a concept very foreign to you pc principle esque brohs. Shout people down with insults, nice workgilgamush
    • Wait, you haven't answered my question about this specific post. We're talking about your argument about standing up to the military with your handguns.iCanHazQBN
    • You don't answer that, and then you shift your reasons to "protecting my family/property". Protecting your property from who? Other people with guns? LOL.iCanHazQBN
    • I'm not shouting you down with insults. I'm shouting you down with logic.iCanHazQBN
    • In this post you imply we need guns to protect ourselves from a bully government. And I'm telling you that you don't stand a chance.iCanHazQBN
    • Please explain to me how you will defeat the US military with handguns. You can't. your argument fails miserably and obviously.iCanHazQBN
    • They could drone your house to pieces if they wanted to.iCanHazQBN
    • Yes, yes, you are the loudest idiot, gonna wave around your slam dunk talking point and ignore the obvious. What happened in Vietnam dipshit, what happened in Fgilgamush
    • Fallujah, Afghanistan, Iraq, Colombia, the list of guerrilla insurgence that held their own goes on and on, stop blathering the same nonsencegilgamush
    • *nonsensegilgamush
    • You guys lost in Vietnam cuz of politics. Not out gunned.pango
    • listen tour of duty counts as experience. give ican some slack here. lets see if he takes his own advice and at least researches his own position.yurimon
    • pango if you can handle krytonite and you should read strategy. there is plenty of analisis around on this subject.yurimon
    • broader issue in this country more of dumbing down of people even though we are flooded by more info then ever.yurimon
    • very true, it's the realization of cultural marxismgilgamush
    • Insurgents "won" in Afghanistan and Iraq because the US let them. The US wants them to succeed so that the US will have a reason to stay there indefinitely.iCanHazQBN
    • War = money. They've been there for 12 years. They have no interest in pulling out.iCanHazQBN
    • what's wrong dipshit, run out of your tired talking points and moved on to conspiracy theories have we. you are just another domestic america hater raised bygilgamush
    • hippies and brainwashed by the marxist education system, how's that for a conspiracy theory you limp dicked simpletongilgamush
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