Scottish independence
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- Dillinger0
Guess they wont get to be told what to do by Brussels arseholes after all.
- kingkong0
The reason I think a currency union would be inevitable is that what is happening to Sterling is really very bad for the whole UK not just Scotland.
The inevitable answer will be we will cover Scotland until they work out what they want to do just to ease market concerns and stop a dump of UK PLC shares and Gilts, which started happening yesterday.
If 4 million scots fuck up the economy, after everything that has happened since 2008, there would be hell to pay. In that regard they are right to say that Westminster would have to capitulate, or see plunging the UK into a deep recession.
It's amazing it has all come to this.
http://www.independent.co.uk/new…- That's a scary article, a lot of speculation of the extremes. Quite a bit of it doesn't feel too far fetched though.Wolfboy
- lowimpakt0
If voting for independence was voting for Salmond and the SNP, as opposed to a total reimagining of Scotland, i'd vote no.
- rosko_picachu0
Like i said, selling the gold devalues the pound, i believe it was sold to buy Yen tradeables. Gives you an idea of what currencies will determine fiscal policy and interest rates in the future. Might not be the pound, especially if it's not underpinned by North Sea Oil.
Another thing is the west coast of Scotland. I've got really good friends from Islay off the west coast. Last time i met up i was getting told about their being a lot of oil and gas on the west coast as well.People in Islay tend to be well connected, so like i say, i kind of trust that judgement that it's possible more oil will be found around Arran and in the Firth of Clyde. Geological surveys have been done and BP were pretty sure there is stuff down their. So we'll see.
So far only 20 exploration wells have been drilled and the word is their is oil and gas all over the place up here. Faslane has really put that on the back burner. But if you think about 3,000 exploration wells in the North Sea versus 20 on the west coast their's a very high chance it's out their and the technology might just be able to get at it.
I know that somewhere between 30-35,000 jobs are gonna become available and various friends have all been rushing to go and get their certificates. So obviously things are happening.
In terms of politicians, well there are people who would make excellent politicians and probably never looked at it as a career path before. They've come from really good backgrounds in terms of education and like i said, have the personality to handle themselves as politicians. I just hope they noticed. Maybe when it's all finished it might be something they want to pursue.
But you would be amazed. People who i'd have down as being definite no voters come up and are turned and not because they read the white paper, but because they went straight to the economists talking about it everyday on Twitter.
For the first time, we've had enough time and like i said the main drivers are people working in things like I.T sector, developing systems in Abu Dhabi and places like that. Not dafties.
If anything it's the dafties on TV voting no who look incredibly stupid. Like the politician who got egged last week by his own security guard who ran off but was caught on film. Media reports it was Yes voters.
Latest one today seems to be about the supermarkets leaving and thats been completely laughed at.
Every time the lies come up, they get debunked very quickly and more people lose the trust.
Other one today i saw was the government lobbying other countries to speak out against independence and they have a whole department to make sure it's worded the right way. Russia. Can you believe that. At the same time they are dealing out sanctions to Russia, they are asking Putin to speak out.
Half the stuff you couldn't make up. Like the BBC, they get £200-250 million from Scotland via the license fee, so that gives you an idea of how impartial they are. When you know how the media works having been inside it, it doesn't come as a surprsie when i switch on the news for the first time in months and i'm thinking, "This is why i don't watch the news anymore." It's depressing and the level of scaremongering is phenomenal, and it's all scheduled in a very strange way.
I don't know if you saw the news last night, but goes along the lines of speak to one person in Dundee, who votes Yes and then go hit the old demographic in the borders who are obviously gonna be in a difficult position. They think their pensions are gonna disappear over night when they aren't. Besides the 1% who run the pension schemes all live in the south of England. But somehow they are mis-informed. Then it's over to the financila analyst who's ready to blow out his cheeks and be like, "Well, it's been a bad day on the stock market." Then it's cheery for a split secong with the royal baby, before jumping into the ISIS thing and a reporter who looks quite excited about what really is a bleak situation.
This is how you report the news you see and don't report the real news. If they wanted to debate it properly they would be talking about it for half an hour on the news, but soundbites are little chunks of information more easily remembered.
- rosko_picachu0
What about John Major today saying if Scotland vote yes, we'll wake up the next day and be "foreign".
Also a twat. Well at least we won't have to pass the UK citizenship test? Have you seen the latest genius idea:
- John Major IS a twat. But he's not leading the campaignbabaganush
- Please vote YES Rosko.sem
- oey0
People have the right to autonomy...okay.
But, another state, another hymn, another border, another football team...wait, they already have a football team...
what else, let me see...hm...I'm anti-state but that United Kingdom bullshit is a fucking bullshit.
And if they vote yes please tell "Commonwealth" to go fuck itself and fuck the Queen!- Son, you need to lay off the lube.detritus
- Yeah! a man speaking rational logic at last - no sign of ranting at all (rantin at all said in thick scottish accent)fadein11
- The Queen & Royal family bring in a ton of money from tourism btw.sem
- Great points. Let's make California a country. Fuck this union of 50 states against the English...babaganush
- fuck tourism!oey
- Cornwall next, Catalonia...that fumbling annoying county next door...that tribe over the hill...babaganush
- rosko_picachu0
Sir Ian
Before the referendum,
During the referendum......
- organicgrid0
Will the UK have to redesign their union jack flag if Scotland decides to secede?
- hans_glib0
i still think it all boils down to
for: anything is better than what we have right now
agin: better the devil you knowneither argument is convincing (or rational, as others have pointed out). so arguing over it is pointless and destabilising. let's have the vote and be done with it. and then we can start clearing up the mess from whatever the result is.
- benfal990
I live in Quebec, that topic is sensible to me. I really hope the YES will win.
- sem0
- rosko_picachu0
It's normal for people to underestimate the knowledge base in Scotland. Since the 70's we've been testing renewable energy and it's getting there. The thinking up here is we'll be able to sell the oil (we might not actually have to use it) to build a sustainable future. Sustainable in a number of ways.
One thing is guaranteed, wind power, sea power etc will be more than enough to power Scotland given time.
The oil is used to build that infrastructure, so we can sell oil when the price is suitable and sit on it if we decide to.
What happens if a no vote goes through? Well all the oil contracts get signed the day after and it goes to the deficit to keep the powers that be ripping through other countries natural resources.
Resources that we have in plentiful supply. Things like water.
Sure London has a very cool scene, but the Commonwealth games have just given us an idea of what a multicultural society in places like Glasgow would look like.
We've got the Universities to compete with anyone. We've got space for expansion.
What we also have is a lot of people promoting Yes and it makes for a new generation of politicians to come through in Scotland, better politicians than Boris Johnson and David Cameron, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown.
We can potentially tailor our education system, NHS system to be far more efficient than it is now. That's not gonna happen otherwise, it's gonna be slash and burn otherwise.
The currency has already been devalued by the sale of the gold, which was an enormous mistake. You lend money based on credit. Credit is determined by assets a major one being gold. If anything puts the currency at risk it's that.
While England has been worrying about Salmond, the clever/creative minds up here have got deeply involved in a lot of the issues and this next generation has a new chance to really look at things like education and completely begin to rip up the rule book on that one.
We can begin to look at where the future lies, and if the knowledge base gets educated in Scotland and moves to England, what happens when they begin to move back if England votes to leave the EU? What happens if Scotland turns around and legalises Marijuana. What happens if the green party actually take over government in Scotland. What happens if people from England get educated in Scotland and stay because it's a multi-cultural society with a cool scene, with good jobs and living conditions.
scottish people will invite business in, we'll bring in good minds from around the world. Don't blame us for the mess the economy is in.
Believe what you like in the media. I can see this is already transferring from media to people, without looking into it in nearly enough detail. The banks made the mess and were allowed to do so, from government deregulation.
Scandinavia they actually put the right people in jail. What did westminster do, bailed them out and let them continue as if nothing had happened.
It might actually suit business power and Cameron to turn the blame on the scots for a vote they've been given.
What would be the point in a vote if we weren't allowed to vote in the way we were? Because some look thinks that the scottish people aren't educated enough to vote? Well it's multiple coice and it's not so hard. The geeks have unravelled the truth up here and the message has got out and shared. We probably know a hell of a lot more about how the country works than the average person in England. This is change. Crazy change, radical change maybe, but i doubt it will be.
Rather than you guys letting us borrow a currency we invented, a banking system that worked and was hijaked, we'll use it until we can set up our own. If that's the euro, if that's our own currency then fine but like i said the pound without Scotland is on a shaky pedestal with the sale of the gold so it's quite bizarre such a big deal about it being made.
It is however a metaphor for the attitude of Westminster to think it would be ok for people within it's own country to think they should not have one because they say so.
- Good luck getting that "guaranteed" energy of yours finished in time without the UK http://www.theguardi…sem
- Jesus...Come back to Kansas Dorothy...babaganush
- moldero0
freedom
- kingkong0
^ all sounds great but this from Credit Swiss this morning. Internal report and nothing political in it's creation.
In our opinion Scotland would fall into a deep recession. We believe deposit flight is both highly likely and highly problematic (with banks assets of 12x GDP) and should the Bank of England move to guarantee Scottish deposits, we expect it to extract a high fiscal and regulatory price (probably insisting on a primary budget surplus).
The re-domiciling of the financial sector and UK public service jobs, as well as a legal dispute over North Sea oil, would further accelerate any downturn.
In our opinion, as North Sea oil production slows, we estimate that the non-oil economy would need a 10% to 20% devaluation to restore competitiveness. This would require a 5% to 10% fall in wages, driven by a steep rise in unemployment.
- hans_glib0
apart from the short-lived satisfaction of sticking two fingers up at the english i really don't see what they have to gain. but then again what do they have to lose?
*sits on hadrian's wall stroking non-existent beard
- Think you'll find a lot of English want them to vote YES so it wouldn't be as big a statement as they think.sem
- detritus0
Where oil money's concerned, Scotland should've gone independent in the 70s, when oil and gas reserves where still massive, then they could've gone the Norwegian route and built up a global powerhouse of a sovereign wealth fund with which to invest in its future.
It's too late for that and so oil revenues can only be, as they are now, frittered away on short-term social investment and loan percentage pay-offs.
- The same Norwegian's they stole the Shetland Islands from in the first place ha.sem
- microkorg0
This is a good information site (rather than a lot of the MISinformation sites)
http://chokkablog.blogspot.co.uk…
Rosko,
We can't base a new Scotland on current oil or in particular the promise of NEW oil! It's rumoured there's some out there but how much will it cost to find or drill for it?
I read somewhere that BP have let their exploration licence expire - that kind of tells me something.- ...that it might need renewing should Scotland go independent?detritus
- sem0
For those of you claiming Slamond was the only person that stands up for the people...please stop, its rude to dismiss the ones doing it daily.
