Scottish independence
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- rosko_picachu0
No matter what, it is happening.
Gimme the facts then, lets hear the numbers?
Come on then, i'll begin 8billion barrels of oil none of the tax is devolved to Scotland.
Where's your facts?
- You've had numbers time and again in this thread. All been written off as coming from evil 'corporations'babaganush
- I clearly contradicted a 'fact' from you two posts ago.babaganush
- sem0
Would be funny if the stubborn Glaswegians went independent on their own.
That said I'm not sure the rest of Scotland would mind, their crime rates would drop dramatically.
- rosko_picachu0
Better Together's White Paper. On the topic of a lack of information, our white paper is a 670 page book. Better Together sent out this:
- sem0
- chossy0
Generated by trading with everybody on newly negotiated terms, where else will the rest of the UK get 20% of it's beef for example? ship it frae france aye? mind we have 25% of Europes renewables which will be invested into using oil money for example, in addition to this we will be able to control our fishing grounds as well. We can start new contracts with absolutely every country on the planet there is nothing stopping our trade whatsoever. I don't think for one minute the rest of the UK would cease to buy from us just as we would not cease to buy from you. UK stops buying from us we stop buying from you a sword cuts both ways.
- So ... We'd tolerate you walking away from 'British debt' but wouldn't buy your beef. Dream onbabaganush
- *wouldbabaganush
- rosko_picachu0
@chossy, i don't know if you were on the tinned wine last night fella, but i guess The Telegraph edited their footage as well:) Their doesn't seem to be any problem with their edit, the audio is the same in both.
- babaganush0
I just outlined why no one will tolerate walking away from its debt any more than Greece could. So I am answering your questions. It's been clearly said that however the debt arose, it cannot be written off without recourse. So if you make a fortune from oil / that will be the primary source of recourse that countries will want to use as collateral. Writing off your debt to the Uk will make you a credit wrote off to a country with an established banking system. Hence why they are all considering moving.
- chossy0
I love reading about myself here it's incredibly enlightening.
- chossy0
No debt means no need for credit, incidentally Ireland (which pays it's pensioners more than we do) has less healthy finances than the UK and yet they enjoy better lending rates than the UK.
- babaganush0
But you already have debt. Look online to economic thoughts on Alex Salmond saying walking away from debt is an option. Never going to happen. Just to clarify, you really think walking away from proportional debt is a possibility? Without come back?
- rosko_picachu0
- When the hell was this filmed?!
https://www.youtube.…detritus - first colour film shot in UKlowimpakt
- NewsNet faked the film. BBC standards wouldn't have fixed that loq freq hum, my friend does that as a jobsem
- More proof that Rosko is desperate for valid proof that he will resort to fake youtube videos.sem
- It was edited also he didn't even move his lips when saying 'Sovereignty' loool Rosko give upsem
- 2 days ago
rosko_picachu
- When the hell was this filmed?!
- sem0
@bumdrizzle Erm no, I think you'll find I was pointing out the irony of someone being forced to vote for freedom.
And I don't think its new to anyone in the UK that both Rangers and Celtic fans have issues and much footage can be found of both sides being as bad as each other.
- chossy0
As I said babaganush, if you don't share we don't pay. You don't buy we don't buy. This is exactly why it will all be fine. We share currency we give you a couple of oil fields perhaps, maybe some more access to fisheries, possibly cheaper rates for electricity that kind of thing. Negotiations they happen all the time, we give you give. This is how things work.
You are coming at it from an incredibly hostile stand point and this I'm afraid will never work in negotiations.
- Wolfboy0
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-sco…
I assume we will be told that this is a lie because the BBC reported it, but it doesn't make good reading.
The Herald say the funding gap is £450m by the way:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/ne…- They're all co-conspirators...ob... will get oil transfusions...babaganush
- sem0
http://en.ria.ru/world/20141009/…
"Glasgow University has announced that it will withdraw investments worth £18 million ($29 million) from companies that produce fossil fuels"
""The university recognises the devastating impact that climate change may have on our planet, and the need for the world to reduce its dependence on fossil fuels"
loooool, it was only a month or so they were in Glasgow proud of all the oil they have. This is funny.
- sem0
People in Glasgow for example complain that London gets more attention as does the rest of the UK. Yet this people ignorantly ignore WHY that is.
Glasgow's population is around 500k
London's population is around 8mSo maybe ask yourself WHY London is getting a load of attention from the Government, because that is where a huge amount of this countries population are. There are small borough's within London that almost fit Glasgow's entire population into it.
There are many theories as to why, most commonly due to racism and the main cities (London, Birmingham etc) being the only places minorities feel they can integrate but hey...thats just a theory, there are just as many immigrants all over the rest of the UK and Scotland than in London right? lol, sure.
Add to this the amazing fact that despite London having around 25% of that 8m population in poverty (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-en... of which we know is a huge cause of crime. Glasgow is actually has higher rate of violent crimes per 100,000 people (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-sc... because life is so hard on them 500k being put a lower priority to 7.5m others so they have a right to be so violent. Seriously, this is how the argument looks to most English, its embarrassing.
So yeah, we might miss out on some odd oil money while it lasts, but the UK's crime rate will drop considerably when Glasgow and such out of the picture. And Scotland would no longer be able to blame the fact that the UK has priorities for their problems. Bring on the YES vote.
- rosko_picachu0
First on the list Bob Dudley.
The oil boss received $8.7m (£5.2m) in salary, bonus and share awards last year, according to the company's annual report, compared with $2.6m in 2012.
When contributions to his PENSION were included, Dudley, 58, got $13.2m for 2013 and has already accumulated a retirement package worth $2m a year.
said a BP spokesman. "The great majority of his potential pay is directly dependent on BP's performance in areas essential both to the delivery of the company's strategy and to the long-term interests of its shareholders."
So how does he go about doing this:
Dudley has already disposed of around $40bn of assets and in October BP said that it expected to sell off a further $10bn of assets by the end of 2015, with the proceeds largely used to fund share buybacks.
Interests in company strategy and "long-term" interests of his shareholders, not the people of Scotland.
- ...or the people of England, Ireland, Wales, America......corpora... don't give a fuck about peoplerosko_picachu
- kingkong0
Rosko, you do realise there will still be rich people in scotland after independence?
To much of this conversation has been about rich v poor. Scotland won't be an egalitarian paradise you know... It will be just like it is now, only the poor will be poorer, and the rich will live in Newcastle.
All of the 'fairer, more just etc' rhetoric is just bullshit, especially coming from Salmond.
- I just meant you could go through that list dig into their behavior and how they get free reign to rig the system. It's really unregulated trader dealing, vs a hope for a less corrupt system.rosko_picachu
- sem0
Also, while we're talking about London's population issues...
Can I also just point out that the UK population is around 63m.
Compared to that of Australia which is around 22m.Then consider that Australia argues that a chunk of its land is inhabitable, but still add this rough guide into the equation.
Then ponder this question...you think it might be time for Australia to consider the rest of the world and open up a little more to immigration?
- Think its safe to say that London does its fucking job when it comes to helping others.sem
- So when places like Scotland attack our Government for not doing enough it makes me realise how ignorant and selfish they are.sem
- Bare in mind that London is just a city, thats not even taking into consideration what the whole of England does.sem
- And for the record, I'm proud as fuck that England (esp London) do their bit for the world. I welcome those in need of help as should everyone.sem