FUCK ADOBE!
FUCK ADOBE!
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- inteliboy3
whats with this "Lightroom Cloud" bullshit.
Fuck off with all these tech companies trying to force into their monthly payment subscription models that nobody asked for.
- omg2
Just downgraded my $49 plan to their $19 Photography Plan. I would have cancelled it all but after using them for 2 years, However they insist that I'm locked into a annual subscription deal with them, and doing in mid subscription so would cost me $190 if I cancelled now.
- helloeatbreathedrive0
I'm with you inteli, this method skyrocketed their revenues. And you know companies like nothing better than tha sweet sweet mula.
- Even better at;
https://ycharts.com/…helloeatbreathedrive - And instead of, y'know, putting that money into the development and improvement of their core apps they spunk it on near-useless 3D toys.face_melter
- ^ that was probably designed for RnD tax breaksmugwart
- Even better at;
- omg0
A big blow trying to downgrade my Adobe plan. I thought i could replace illustrator with inkscape, indesign with scribe. However when I learned I couldn't copy from inkscape to photoshop. It was over. I had to crawl back to Adobe and re-upgrade my plan. At least they gave me 2 free months of service.
- I bet you nearly went great ape shitfadein11
- I tried that. Just forget it. If you're already in Adob...besides, I know Inkscape is open source and that's why I wanted to use it.oey
- but if you're not gonna use Illy then just use Afinity Designer dude. 50 bucks.oey
- just charge an extra hour a month on a job and you never have to pay for the fucking software lol... jesus.fadein11
- if you can't afford $50ish a month for vital tools of your trade then you may be doing something wrong in life.fadein11
- In only 4 years, you'll have paid $2400+ taxes for these tools which you cannot keep once you cancel your subscription.omg
- you may need to redo your maths or abandon your retarded sum completely, I pay zero taxes on this payment.fadein11
- Oh because the $49.95 plan comes out to $54 and change here in the states. In 8 years your Adobe software comes to $5000 or £3600omg
- BrokenHD7
This just reminded me I needed to cancel my plan, since I get a full subscription through work. Been subscribing for like 4 years, this is now year 5. So I called just now. He automatically threw me the ol' 2 months free bone and I explained it doesn't matter as its literally an unneeded expense at this point. He then tries to hit me with a $250.00 cancellation fee. I lost my shit, because when I called mid last year to cancel, thats what ended up keeping me on, that fee. I said at the time I might as well finish out 2017 then. So basically you have a 14 day window, (Jan 1 - Jan 14) to cancel or you're right back where you started, but they don't explicitly tell you that. In the end, he waved the fee, and I'm on only out the $50 for this month. I shoulda called on Jan 2; thats my bad. I told him don't worry, if I ever go freelance again, ill be back. Whats funny he seemed more emotional than me. Maybe call centers get reverse rewards for losing customers idk. Feels good to have an extra 50 a month I'll tell you what
- I miss the days where you just own whatever software came in the box. Call me old fashionedBrokenHD
- me too! Call me old.imbecile
- yep the good ole days when no small freelance designer ever paid thousands for software and just cracked it instead.fadein11
- *sarcasmfadein11
- I just stopped payment and let the thing work itself out. They never threatened a fee, I don't think they can!monospaced
- They certainly called and emailed me dozens of times to figure out why they couldn't charge me. I just don't use it at home as much anymore.monospaced
- I had this happen, but because you have a subscription with work they can't charge you the cancellation fee. It's in their TOS.zarkonite
- They needs your money, thry only made 8,000,000,000$ las yearBennn
- Go for Affinity products - you pay for it and its yours ...old skool style ,they way it should be.dee-dubs
- Yes. https://affinity.ser…ETM
- Affinity has come a long way and has 95% of the daily workhorse features you need and none of the glutinous fluff you don't.ETM
- Same as mono. I also use privacy.com for the extra bs we sometimes have to deal with with subscriptions.notype
- Continuous Payment Authority shit i asked to speak with the merchant in charge of my account. When i asked if it was virtual it all got cancelled quickly, butrosko_picachu
- oey3
No way!
Photoshop Update...all preferences and plugins gone!
Should I send an Invoice for the time lost?
- pinkfloyd1
- or ... he could just tell it to sync only the folder he wants, not his entire user folder!monospaced
- PonyBoy-4
Last month I landed a new client, made THOUSANDS of dollars and even took a week off simply cuz I felt like it... ... I owe this both to my own hard work and ever-so-much to those who provide the tools I need to get said work done... primarily you, Adobe.
Thank you, Adobe! You charge me a miniscule amount of money each month and in return I'm able to crank out animation, design, code... whatever... daily... effortlessly... except for when I'm short on inspiration (but that's not your fault, Adobe!).
Thank you... thank you... THANK YOU! I'm beyond grateful you exist, Adobe. You may spam my email, you may upgrade my software... you may charge my credit card... fuck yes... take my money, Adobe.
<3
- The reason you can earn high due to cheap software, is there are 1000's of other users finding it hard to cover the basic costs, slogging away with terribleshapesalad
- ...$10 logo clients, all grinding away to slump up the Adobe fee. A fairer economy would be high fee for adobe, rest of us use cracked versions...shapesalad
- ah.. sounds familiar... ah the good old days...shapesalad
- that's not the reason why he can earn high, that's the reason Adobe is profiting, derpmonospaced
- +1
This is how I see it. It pays for itself in a literal hour or less each month.monospaced - $10 logo jobs? Ugh, salad...why would you EVER say yes to a price like that? Don't be mad at Adobe's prices...be mad at yours! :)PonyBoy
- Say what you like, it’s nothing more than a protection rackethans_glib
- So is going to work everyday so you can feed your family, hans... what's your point? It's win-win if you have a respectable skillset.PonyBoy
- You guize realize the phrase 'shopped' wouldn't exist w/out this company? All those gorgeous vectors you create could be done Corel if you like... your call.PonyBoy
- I have always said this, if working as a design pro the monthly cost is miniscule and look what you get, everything they offer but plus all the extras.fadein11
- approx an hours billing (or less) pays for the whole package.fadein11
- remove that random butfadein11
- And what are they doing with those profits? Improving the software? It hasn't really changed in years.yuekit
- Don't be silly, if there was real competition in the space prices would be drastically lower.yuekit
- You can afford their protection racket? Good for you, so can I...but let's not pretend it's really delivering value.yuekit
- Again... you guys go to work... right? Nice 'protection racket' you got there. Fuck having to eat or stay alive for the future... right? Lol... u'z make no ¢!PonyBoy
- < A Christian, Ladies and Gentleman.detritus
- < A troll, Ladies and Gentleman.PonyBoy
- $600+ bucks a year is very little to ask given the return... I'm still 'stunned' by what big babies you are in your 40's QBN... pay for tools already.PonyBoy
- *pay for *your tools alreadyPonyBoy
- The cost is at least double that away from the US + (as said repeatedly) it's a lock-in cost that doubles your update requirement.
Basically it's a rip off.detritus - If you're happy being ripped off, fine, but don't simply assume everyone else is as mindlessly unquestioning too, because clearly they are not.detritus
- Personally I'd rather spend that money on something else as useful for my business. You know, like an investment?detritus
- Christ, I paid [the one off cost] for Affinity and have yet to use it - simply because I want Adobe to have competition.detritus
- People who earn money well tend to look after the pennies - you can bleat about how many THOUSANDS you make all you like, PB, doesn't change matters.detritus
- Adobe's not a charity, and eyes its bottom line remorselessly, as do I, as should we all.detritus
- btw re: 'troll' - I was pointing out the oblivious hypocricy that smears the good name of most self-referring 'Christians'.detritus
- it's not double that at least at all, what deal are you on? and people moaning about the quality of the software, PS is still the best, LR is arguably the best,fadein11
- AE is almost certainly the best, Premiere is the best after Apple fucked up Final Cut. Come on its around £40 for an entire suite of software. Bizarre whiningfadein11
- over nothing.fadein11
- Illustrator isn't great but hasn't been for years in my eyes, terrible sluggish program compared to Freehand. But InDesign is great as well. Where's all thefadein11
- competition? If there was competition there's a huge market of whiney individuals to steal surely.fadein11
- Surely when you reach a point in your career there is a little payback for using software for free for 20 years no?fadein11
- Huh, I swear last time I checked it was about twice the price. Was a couple of years back, to be fair. It's £36 in the states vs. £50 here.detritus
- You do still pay 'at least twice the old amount' because you can't skip a release or two, which DOES mount up.detritus
- factor the 20 years x ZILCH you have all had and the subscription model is even more miniscule.fadein11
- who’s Christian? And if I were... paying for your tools that you utilize to make money is a xtian thing... sooo... lol... I’m lost, detPonyBoy
- Well, Illy's my primary graphics tool and it's got a lot of stupid niggling bugs in it - mentioned in their forums, unaddressed for years.detritus
- I've had paid-for copies (either by myself or whatever company I was with - my own or other) for a LONG time. I owe Adobe jack shit.detritus
- I'm boggled how blind to their abuse of their essential monopoly some of you guys are. It's the simple principle of the matter. I don't appreciate being wrung.detritus
- Your tone and general sanctimony, PB, not the fact you pay for your software. I'm not sure Jesus addressed the subject of software ownership. Wish he had!detritus
- Ok. there are alternatives to illy though probably because it is so shit. use them.fadein11
- I'll give you this - the whole suite ain't bad value.. if you use all of it all the time. I don't. I overpay for one thing which has been poorly maintained 4evadetritus
- ..well, I overpay for two things as I have PS as well.. which, again, I need to get around to cancelling, because it's fuck all value to me.detritus
- As I wrote earlier - I paid for Affinity purely to encourage competition and I maintain CC Illy solely to ensure compatibility with client files. I'm locked-in.detritus
- Back in the old days - did anyone ever buy EVERY subsequent release? Did they fuck. You chose your upgrade path and you paid your way.detritus
- My sanctimonious tone matches the “Waaah... I don’t want to pay for my tools” tone of the thread... sorry the reality of that upsets you.PonyBoy
- I use 7 apps regularly... every week... it’s an incredible value but it does come down to what you do with it. “Graphics” isn’t a cheep hobby for surePonyBoy
- I pay for my tools. I pay for my hardware. I pay for my materials. My monthly work expenditure likely dwarfs yours. I don't like getting ripped off. *shrug*detritus
- Well...again... $55US is NOT a ripoff given the return. If you’re not using it professionally I don’t know what to say... hobbies are expensive? :)PonyBoy
- Again, one piece of over-priced software that you HAVE to update 'every iteration' = an unecessary cost.detritus
- If I worked from my bedroom and did a hodgepodge of full digital media, CC suit would be good value. I don't. Nor do many others. It's lock-in, plain and simpledetritus
- Thing is... even Illistrator @ $55/m isn’t shit IMHO. Paid for with 1-2 hours of work... minuscule.anyway, I’ll be in my bedroom if you guys need me.PonyBoy
- Strange to hear about an American happy to be taxed excessively - I thought you lot weren't generally fond of that sort of thing.detritus
- Dude—$650 / year for even Illustrator would pay for itself (w/my bedroom clients) in one project. I don’t find that ‘excessive’ so of course I have no prob w/itPonyBoy
- If only using illy diff story i guess, how much is 1 app a month? Never done that.fadein11
- Oh, so you do work from your bedroom? I was just joking. OK, so you have very few expenses beyond your full CC suite? I understand how you'd not see.detritus
- Basically - you can run your entire business in middle America for $55 a month? Super cheap! I'd not give a shit if I were being ripped off either.detritus
- However I am in LDN and Illy is a tiny % of my monthly expenses, and one that is quite obviously an unavoidable rip off to me, so it raises my ire.detritus
- Wouldn't matter if it were 10p or £10, it is clearly more expensive than it need be, and the only reason I accept it is because I have no choice.detritus
- IF Adobe didn't play sly games with incompatible 'pdf compatability' then I could use otehr software, but they do so I can't. So I resent, but yet I still pay.detritus
- IF I could buy a disc every two years, like we used to, I'd not care. I have *literally* no additional benefit from their demand that I subscribe to CC.detritus
- $55USD = $660 / year... how is this 'excessive' for software that you easily (if you're worth a shit) can turn into $50-60K/year in output paid work?PonyBoy
- ..in fact, the last two versions of illy have been glitchier than any beforehand. New 'features' are anything but - just pointless unwanted distractions.detritus
- That's the cost of a respect SSD hard drive or maybe a couple of monitors... perhaps a video card... ... it's MINISCULE in comparison to my other costs.PonyBoy
- And I work where I have to work, detritus... home office or inhouse (here or on the road). If I knew you found a way to keep your costs down I'd be...PonyBoy
- ... praising you... not talking shit and running w/my 'woah is me' bullshit. Perhaps you need to reevaluate your expenses?PonyBoy
- Fuck it, i can't be bothered with this any more - going in circles - the cost itself is tolerable, the fact I'm being ripped off isn't. Simple as that.detritus
- How are you being ripped off? Did I miss that part? Did they not refund you for something or were you overcharged? (not being snarky-legit Q's)PonyBoy
- I've said it, repeatedly above. And prior in this thread. If you haven't read then you're simply being pointlessly combative and contrarian.detritus
- okay... first off... YOU are responding to my 'general' post... I'm not responding to you. If I skipped your whining elsewhere I don't really apologize...PonyBoy
- ... however I am now taking a moment to ask. :)
<3PonyBoy - I skip / burn over most of the BS in this thread cuz it's pure CRYING. waaah... 'Fuck Adobe' (title thread)... so don't get butthurt if I skipped your...PonyBoy
- ... whining in particular.PonyBoy
- So you didn't read anything in these notes or in this thread yet pontificated anyway? Good to know.detritus
- No... I just went on about my own experience... like everyone else, det. You chimed in w/your xtian comment etc, not really adding to anything eitherPonyBoy
- this thread is primarily whining that Adobe costs too much w/the occasional useful 'other option'... but outside of that it's pretty hateful...PonyBoy
- ... towards the company that feeds so many of us. So... like you... and everyone else I gave MY experience. That's not notification, deety-poo...PonyBoy
- ...that's just me joining in w/the rest of you twats. Now—I'll take a moment and read about how you were 'ripped off' if I can find it as I'm genuinely interstdPonyBoy
- lol... 'that's not notification' = 'that's not pontification'PonyBoy
- In all honesty I failed to read much of what you're saying in these notes when you made the Xtian comment. You answered snark w/snark... I get it...PonyBoy
- ... but it's why I skipped through a few of your notes (I'm realizing I missed quite a few... I'm on my phone too. sorry)PonyBoy
- K... so.. .read your statements. I didn't miss anything 'cept a lot of whining and insults and I'd be repeating myself and you'd be repeating yourself...PonyBoy
- ... I will kindly disagree w/you that it's a ripoff even @ £50. fade nailed it when he described the leading software that still goes unchallenged...PonyBoy
- I too am all for competition—it's why things get better so of course I'm for it. But if the alternatives are shit and the existing stuff is GREAT (and cheap)...PonyBoy
- ... I will continue to praise and thank the company for providing the tools that allow me to live and pay for my life. THANK YOU, ADOBE!!PonyBoy
- It's totally pointless if you choose not to see mine and others point here. Also, enough with the 'insults' already, precious. WTH happened to you?detritus
- First comment from you in this post is about 'christianity'... WTH is up w/you lately? Does that comment have shit to do w/Adobe? Make...PonyBoy
- ... some fucking sense.
Also... I DO read these posts. If you can't tell I'm still be 'snarky' as you say. MY post is the result of reading so much whining.PonyBoy - And if you go back in time you'll see I'm merely repeating myself. So many of you are fucking whiners when in fact...IF YOUR WORK IS WORTH A SHIT...PonyBoy
- I dunno what's up with me, but I think I'm like the third person here to notice this year how precious you've gotten. *shrug*detritus
- ... the software pays for itself. That is a FACT, deety. Now go back to crying as you obviously don't give a fuck to 'see' MY point but merely...PonyBoy
- ... whine on and on about your own 'point'. Fucking hell.. 50 / month? For your primary tools? It's nothing.PonyBoy
- If you're fine spending $600+ more every two years than you should've under the old system, fine. I'm not. That's it. I'd rather spend that on other stuffdetritus
- https://www.mamalisa…detritus
- fuck that dance... I see your point and apologize for being such a douche towards you (even if that 'Xtian' comment made zero sense).PonyBoy
- hydro743
I still work in cs, and this past year, clients on CC can't
Open cs AI files. Little search, found it's common. So basically Adobe is killing legacy files to make people shift to the monthly as well as working with apple to kill cs, updated while back and destroyed certain function. Fixed it by getting Little Snitch and cut off all adobe communication. Ai doesn't crash as much now, just no access to being able to print (crashes) and type preview, but all well. I can work around those.- They have cancellation fees for the cloud versions, beware of contracts with adobe . . .kgvs72
- wow... I'm surprised you're not full blown 'CC', hydro... personally I think Adobe should be sponsoring you (like Lebron getting a pair of Nikes)PonyBoy
- I’m also using cs, with snow leopard, so I haven’t encountered any of those issues, thank fuck. Preview opens all recent so files so it’s not an issue.hans_glib
- Fuck Adobe, and their shitty protection scam, and fuck the rest of you for falling for it.hans_glib
- I had the opposite problem with supposedly 'PDF compatible' files generated by CC editions not loading into CSx properly. Yes, Adobe are shyster cunts.detritus
- helloeatbreathedrive3
Just for the sake of arguing, how many of y'all use their products w/o license? i'm considering not renewing my upcoming march registery. becoming a nuisance with the money troubles and all. can each app be used w/o lic and still connected online or work only offline?
- No subscription = no workymonospaced
- ^ i suppose maybe only with earlier versions?helloeatbreathedrive
- yes they work offline.sted
- yes they work offline. easy to crack.oey
- I did it for almost 20 years. now I just had to do it properly because of my deal with the unemployment center.oey
- I'm using CS6, you have no idea how quick and fast CS6 is on new computersBennn
- Apparently they're easy to crack - a client was talking about this the other day, saying he found something on a site called cgpersia, or something?detritus
- Yup. Works fine. Only problem is opening files from people with newer versions.jagara
- ah, having just looked, that site's clearly a portal for naughtiness :\detritus
- @jagara: open ai files in preview, save as pdf, open in ai. works every timehans_glib
- Does that not do weird things with object outlines and such? I know that when I place a PDF into a doc and flatten it, it borks outlines vs. fills.detritus
- ^def will try for a while see how it goes. many small stuff piles up to suck my non-existing incomehelloeatbreathedrive
- Man, my adobe cc expired just a few days ago...pinkfloyd
- Where does one get a crack?pinkfloyd
- Search for the site I mentioned - as I say, a client used it and having had a scan through, it looks full of wares and shit.detritus
- Sure does work without subscription. mac-torrents.com lolzM01XXX
- If u use Adobe products a lot and make $$ with it you should get a subscription. I only use cracked as I use only for personal occasional use. Adobe still bestM01XXX
- would like to get the "open source" ;) version too. I don't want to give them any more $ for likely 20% usage per year on my home pcnotype
- i guess i'll not crackpinkfloyd
- I mainly just use photoshop and illustratorpinkfloyd
- Never paid for adobecolin_s
- When you crack, you don't know what else that cracker is doing. You might have installed a trojan/keylogger/etc...monNom
- Do you do anything sensitive on your computer? Accounting? Online banking? Online shopping? Just buy legit software.monNom
- i dont do any shopping, banking etc. nothing is vulnerable except the files i work on so i might just go at it for a while.helloeatbreathedrive
- oey3
I uninstalled AI CC 2018 and reinstalled CC 2017.
Shit was slow as fuck...
Back to track now!Seems PS and In have the same problem too.
And no it doesn't have anything to do with preferences.
Just bugs.- but but surely the "subs" pay for proper development?? but but surely that's the great bonus of paying "subs" rather than buying outright??hans_glib
- Don't, just don't. The current version of illy is the first I've noticed ANYTHING significantly bust since the text spacing probs in PS5.5. Fucking shit.detritus
- OctopiStimuli2
Been finding Indesign, Illy and Photoshop CC 2018 versions all slow and buggy on my iMac 2015 retina with 24gb ram and ssd!!!
Surely it shouldn't be slow and laggy.
Though I see that Apple have fecked up the graphics drivers in High Sierra so Adobe aren't at fault apparently.
Should i just roll back to CC 2017 or go all the way back to super speedy CS6?
I only need to export SVG'sthough that are compatible with new browsers.
- rolled back and stll slow but not as much. specially when using trackpad...oey
- May or may not help, but corrupt fonts can make the whole CC suite slow/crash. This is nothing new, always keep a clean font library.evilpeacock
- You can throw as much ram at the OSX version of CC as you want but it all hinges on the shitty, shitty GPU the iMac's use. That's where the bottleneck occurs.face_melter
- Especially when you're running at 'retina' resolutions. The garbage GPU has to run *that* and CC's engine at the same time. Lycka till!face_melter
- i don't get why apple doesn't use better gpusGnash
- Yeah, even turning off GPU in the performance prefs does nothing to speed things upOctopiStimuli
- pinkfloyd2
I guess i'll just buy the Adobe CC? I'm a fulltime freelancer and it's a tax write off, so I won't be losing anything I think?
- No need for the question mark, you answered your own nonstion.detritus
- Not quite. The money you outlay for adobe cc is not taxed. As a Freelancer, you're taxed on revenue minus costs(adobe CC etc..)shapesalad
- So you still have to pay, but you're essentially reducing the amount you'll be taxed on.shapesalad
- shapesalad, you're right. I was trying to do the math this morningpinkfloyd
- are you a vegan?pinkfloyd
- detritus2
Oh, look at that - another nonsensical Illustrator bug.
Apparently if I'm zoomed in too close, I can't make guides.
Excellent.
- I've never been able to make guides at full zoom...ArchitectofFate
- Bring back Freehand!shapesalad
- ideaist5
"The price of Adobe Creative Cloud All Apps will change to US$52.99/month on your renewal date of 4/19/2018. A reminder email will be sent to you as your renewal date gets closer."
CAD$67.95 for me... $815.40 / year, basically until I'm dead...
*sigh*
- i've said it before and i'll say it again. it's extortion, pure and simplehans_glib
- it's gonna suck when my 40% off expiresGnash
- in the end, it's still way less than one hour worth of billing per month. Think about what a cab driver needs to spend on his means of industryGnash
- BREXIT! Wait.. nup. Just a price increase, because they have us by the balls and can do whatever they wish. Yaay!detritus
- @gnash - exactly. I agree 100% on that comment.fadein11
- I'm mostly just bitching; it's a "death & taxes" argument. Should be "death, taxes & adobe fees".
: )ideaist - ^OBBTKN
- lol. its just such a low expense. even compared to most professional fees paid in other industries. or insurance etc. its just peanuts. I honestly don't get itfadein11
- from my point of view, I got all there shit for free for decades, I can now afford to buy it (or my clients can)fadein11
- their*fadein11
- hey look, it's this pointless dreary go round again.detritus
- Haha; sorry I incited this! It should have been in the "blog" thread perhaps...ideaist
- 52.99usd = £38. Currently paying £49... so good news?shapesalad
- Considering at least 80% of PS, Illy, AE is pretty much same as it was 10+ years ago. It's a lot. We paid full price back in the day.shapesalad
- Now we subscribe for the same features code that we already paid for 10 years ago, bar a few extra novelty filters and effects.shapesalad
- you paid?fadein11
- Fadein, I'm buying you a pint. and true, most had just become accustomed to pirated prices.Gnash
- (side note - imagine if you had to pay for all the fonts we've all accumulated over the years... I shudder at that)Gnash
- (also, I've paid for all my adobe since illustrator 88. the only software I pirated was quark -- fuck you Quark!)Gnash
- This is fucking peanuts for access to the whole Creative Cloud?!! 1/2 of an hour of billed work pays for it.davey_g
- Buying you one back gnash. sorry about that other shit by the way. Whether I am an idiot or not we would have a happier discussion over a beer I am sure.fadein11
- Ooh, what did I miss?detritus
- we were discussing whether gingers were considered a separate race, or not.Gnash
- they should deduct a buck or two every time i run into a bug in animatefuturefood
- Time t' put on me hook hand, eye patch 'n peg leg...yarr!ok_not_ok
- Race? I'm not even sure they're the same species.detritus
- (lol)Gnash
- If you cancel, they sometimes have a promotion of $29 a month for renewalpinkfloyd
- lol det and gnashfadein11
- if you cancel they charge you a $250 fee, so report that credit card as lost before you do it.GuyFawkes
- I should rephrase, once you're 1 year contract has ended and you don't renew, they offered a rate of $29 per monthpinkfloyd
- Bennn2
No way I'll give more than 8,000$ every 10 years to Adobe.
W4R3Z C44CK 70443NTS B1TCH
They dont make money with me anymore since what, 2 years now.
- then you don't need itGnash
- How many times are you gonna say this and then talk about using and needing it? oh bennnmonospaced
- How many times I need to say I use it for personal creations and some (less than 500$/years) jobs. :)Bennn
- I should get a gopro + drone for free so I can use them for personal creations :)Gnash
- noBennn
- utopian8
Adobe is raising their monthly price to $79- per user in July.
Fuck you Adobe!
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