Flash CS5 sneak peek
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- janne760
I FUCKING HATE FLASH WITH A PASSION.
- ArmandoEstrada0
Flash is like an abusive partner in a relationship, I really love it. But it beats me up every time. I swear it off after every job but I keep coming back for more.
- janne760
Flash has nothing to do with clean accessible information technology. It's only good for a shitty full page Nike advertisment noone really cares about. The fact that they keep messing instead of structuring the way you create with it, makes it the least desired tool to rely on.
It's a piece of junk only freaks care about in terms of webdesign.
- version30
next project... freak out
- version30
deep linking is the key
http://pxl2.in.pxl2.in/- swfaddress? www.asual.com/swfadd…...felizfeliz
- something similar likely can't rememberversion3
- its still a hack.powertoni
- It works though (usually)CyBrain
- SteveJobs0
for those of you still complaining about as3, seriously, it's not that difficult at all. compare it to more object-oriented technologies like c# that explicitely support singletons, abstract classes, and have more complex language features like delegates (function pointers), explicit passing by reference, reflection, generics, and and things of that nature and you'll realize it's not complicated at all. And the api itself isn't all that extensive either.
when you learn to use it the way it was designed to be used, you'll start seeing the benefits over the long-run and ultimately you'll wonder how you managed to get along without it before.
- you know what i read there? "blah blah binary 01010101 blah blah". Designers are not computer scientists.felizfeliz
- some of us want to concentrate on animating and designing rather than debugging.CyBrain
- thatboyneave0
It’s horses for courses. There are still a lot of things that Flash is perfect for, like big interactive sites with video, 3D etc for which it’s perfect.
Conversely there are a lot of things happening with Javascript and HTML 5 that are replacing things we might have done in Flash a year ago, or even just a few months ago. This is awesome when you think about mobile for example, the canvas element in Safari for iphone is very smooth.
It’s just a case of picking the right technology for your application. I think a lot of the hate is a bit unjustified. Although I’m going to agree that the Flash authoring tool, especially CS4, is awful.
- wouldnt say its perfect for 3D when its worse than director********
- wouldnt say its perfect for 3D when its worse than director
- DrBombay0
I love flash for personal projects, I also use it at work for product demos and things like that. We even use it to do presentations for awards ceremonies and shit. Looks great on screen. Lots of control.
- felizfeliz0
I think they should put Flash aside for the moment and start from scratch.
Adobe should think: "ok, designers know photoshop, AE and illustrator - the web in 2010 can do this, that and the other thing. ok lets make a tool that fits into a designers toolset and knowledge, is practically like AE for animation, illustrator for vectors and photoshop for bitmaps, that doesn't require learning a new script language every 1.5 years and easily allows them to create the things they want to see on the web in 2010 in the way that people expect them to work, using common already established conventions (ie it fits into the common web browser experience natively - no swfaddress hacking etc..)".
I want to see no actionscript at all. I want to see a modular flow chart approach - a no code, visual programming interface. that's where flash should be at by 2010. not as3 not as4. no more as bs.
After they've made an app that meets that requirement they can make it export to swf and we won't have to worry about people installing a new type of player. Or better still - make it export to html5! make it take your animation and interactive design and export it to a 'html5, css, jquery, pngs, jpgs' site. that would be cool. no more swf and flash. video will be native to html5 so good by that old excuse. and html based 3D is on it's way...
- Nice, but not going to happen. Nobody does the sensible thing otherwise we wouldn’t have people locking their intranets into IE6 as if it were still 2001.thatboyneave
- ...IE6 like it’s still 2001.thatboyneave
- Flash Catalyst is your manPupsipu
- CyBrain0
If you don't want to see actionscript at all I'm not sure why you want to use html5, which is 100% code. At least Flash has a timeline and graphic tools.
- SteveJobs0
i'll admit, adobe pretty much pulled the carpet out from under a lot of design-oriented developers and that the tool they'd become accustomed to drastically changed without their consent.
i think they should have split flash into two seperate products (which they kind of did, with flash and flex, so perhaps three then), but one version of flash being true to the classic workflows and feature it provided, with the other dedicated to programmatic-type development.
what's funny is that several developers out there (myself included, i guess) still aren't content with flash's slow evolution into a true oo-language/technology. it's still lacking a lot under the hood, and it's still slow performance-wise.
- Flash Catalyst is the splitPupsipu
- I also worry about how RAM hungry AS3 sites seem to be.CyBrain
- CyBrain, you might want to do a little research on garbage collection. RAM use shouldn't be more with AS3, you're mostmathinc
- likely not being diligent with ending processes. Pain in the ass though.mathinc
- felizfeliz0
Yep. I hate Flash.
Just right now I've got an xml doc I'm importing into a text box in Flash - and flash yet again proves itself to be a complete waste of time.
In my xml doc I have one carriage return like this in my content:
<content><![CDATA[example
example]]></content >but good old flash interprets this as two carriage returns and show's it as:
"example
example".
instead of:
"example
example".which is how it should look. which is how it looks when I import the exact same xml doc into a html doc using some php.
oh great. thanks Flash. good one. yep. awesome work.
now i'm wasting time googling it and trying to searching for a solution.
why? why isn't it simple?
brilliant. love it. great. love Flash. yep. awesome...come of Flash lovers explain this one to me.
- find replace with RegEx. No excuse though, should shoot someone at Adobe for every bug like thisPupsipu
- thats not really a bug...thats bad form. and its basic. use <br/>powertoni
- well my cms takes text from a html form and saves it as cdata xml. then flash x2 the carriage returns.felizfeliz
- YUOR DOING IT WRONG!rounce
- powertoni0
well we'll see. I know I'MM sick of flash...and it has provided me a good living for years now...but theres no fun in building design oriented sites in as3.
- felizfeliz0
to fix that doubled carriage return in flash one has to do this:
"tempTxt.split("\r").join("");"
- ukit0
Here is what Adobe should build, and I'm amazed no one has done it yet: an app that will let you design websites.
- Illustrator CS4 would be just about perfect for that if the text anti-aliasing was more like a browser.thatboyneave
- In ways, Photoshop, Illustrator, Dreamweaver, Flash, Fireworks, Contribute all build sites as far as I know.CyBrain
- rounce0
My fucking god; you're all giant gaping klunges!!
Those of you who're knocking AS3 in favour of AS2 obviously don't have 2 braincells to rub toegether and even the most basic of OOP languages is too complex for you even though the language is about a gazillion times more flexible than AS2.
God forbid you should want to do something more interesting and complex than a simple fucking image fade. Which, because you can now do it easily in Javascript with jQuery or whatever, you're straight on the FlashBashing bandwagon, despite the fact you've been able to do it in Javascript using plain native timer objects for years!
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Flash has it's uses, yes the current popularity of Javascript and the speed of it's processing engines in most browsers is good and means that people are using Flash for what it was meant for rather than the gratuitous, pointless, lazy, timeline animation heavy shit of yesteryear (or right now in felizfeliz's case).
Basically what I'm trying to say is STFU and let the professionals (flash or JS or whatever) get to work
- felizfeliz0
hey, in my case it's what the client wanted despite my attempts to convince them otherwise.
- But you're still favouring technology because you want to use it, even if it's not suited to the application.rounce
- rounce0
Why the fuck are people still using the Flash authoring tool anyway?
- ********0
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"Here is what Adobe should build, and I'm amazed no one has done it yet: an app that will let you design websites."OPEN FIREWORKS FOR FUCK SAKE!
- felizfeliz0
how does fireworks do for text rendering?
will text set in fireworks look exactly as it will do in Flash / html?