Net Neutrality
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- monospaced0
As long as there's an ISP out there that maintains neutrality, they will have the customers. I think enough people would be outraged enough to prevent ISPs from really taking it out on the customer. We're way too accustomed to how things are with neutrality rules in place, so to think people will just sit by and accept sweeping insane pricing and content changes sounds a bit naive.
There's money in being the ISP that is fair, as anyone with any sense would gravitate toward it.
- That's essentially what I've read in all the clued-up nerd forums - just regulate to promote greater competition and let the market sort things out.detritus
- ...which is essentially what we do here in Europe. The idea of having local loop monopolies was put to sleep over a decade ago.detritus
- it's possibly an over-optimistic view, I admitmonospaced
- to clarify - there is a 'local loop monopoly' here in the UK, but it HAS to offer its competitors access at the exchanges.detritus
- I think that net neutrality rules are still important, and should be agreed upon worldwide by a proper consortiummonospaced
- This causes another problem - lack of motivation for infrastructure investment, but that's only another regulatory hurdle away.detritus
- very interestingmonospaced
- The problem is that in the U.S., so much of the infrastructure is controlled by only one or two companies.yuekit
- Changing that takes A LOT of time and investment, not as simple as just encourage more competition.yuekit
- even more of a reason to maintain net neutralitymonospaced
- BonSeff4
WTF
- So you can still watch cat videos and post selfies, what else could people possibly want on the new and improved internet sponsored by Verizon?yuekit
- I hope someone shoots this guy.section_014
- thanks to this video there is a chance for him to fail, spread it as far as possibleMiguex
- The upvote to downvote ratio is amazing.yuekit
- fuck off. don't tell us what we can "still" do.inteliboy
- Where are the Fatwa people when you need them?instrmntl
- Funny guyscruffics
- "This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Mad Decent." lolyuekit
- yuekit1
Leaked E-mail Shows Even The FCC's Own CTO Thinks Gutting Net Neutrality Harms The Public
In an internal email to all of the FCC commissioner offices, CTO Eric Burger, who was appointed by Pai in October, said the No. 1 issue with the repeal is concern that internet service providers will block or throttle specific websites, according to FCC sources who viewed the message.
"Unfortunately, I realize we do not address that at all," Burger said in the email. "If the ISP is transparent about blocking legal content, there is nothing the [Federal Trade Commission] can do about it unless the FTC determines it was done for anti-competitive reasons. Allowing such blocking is not in the public interest."
So if you buy the FCC/big ISP argument here, the net neutrality repeal and the gutting of FCC authority over giant ISPs isn't a big deal -- because the FTC will rush in and protect consumers. But we've already noted in great detail how that's simply not going to be happening. The FTC's currently losing a lawsuit against AT&T that could obliterate that ability almost entirely. Even if they win that case, we've explored in detail how the FTC's existing authority is so limited, clever ISPs like Comcast will be able to simply tap dance around enforcement.
- imbecile0
The vote, which was 3-2 along party lines, ends rules designed to keep the internet open and fair.
- Miguex2
The FCC just voted to gut net neutrality rules, letting Internet providers like Verizon and Comcast control what we can see and do online with new fees, throttling, and censorship. But we can still get Congress to stop this—by passing a "Resolution of Disapproval" to overturn the FCC vote.
- I wonder if pop-ups like this were partially responsible for all the fake signatures being used against net neutrality.cotton
- dopepope2
between this and the no-write-offs-for-freelancers thing, might as well jump out my window into a wood chipper.
- can this Administration do anything right? anything?!? JFC.Ramanisky2
- This is "right" to them. It seems like a long term strategic error for the GOP to position itself as the anti internet party, but this is what their money wantsR_Kercz
- curious if what the diff. in yearly % you pay will be and if that'll make up for the lack of deductions given the supposed reduced personal ratePonyBoy
- curios *AS TO what the diff. in yearly %...PonyBoy
- the freelancer stitch up is bizarre.fadein11
- don't forget the quarter point fed bump yesterdayimbecile
- WTF no more write offs?GuyFawkes
- That can't be true can it? Link?yuekit
- of course it's true ... it's a republican bill, did you expect it to be any good for anyone except trump and his asshole friends?monospaced
- Just wondering specifics...seems like that would screw over a lot of people.yuekit
- I believe it's no longer itemized and switching to a capped percentage of your income. What a time to be getting out of freelance, feel for my brothers tho.sofakingback
- Ramanisky25
- I'm happy to give netflix $10 a month to fight this for us. Hopefully they can buy some corrupt politicians.hotroddy
- $11 starting in January.monospaced
- ^sunnovabitch.sarahfailin
- my $10.99 started in Decemberimbecile
- Me too, hotroddyMondoMorphic
- Netflix just increased my subscription from $8 to $11Krassy
- $15 here. And that's just the medium subscription. Still okay I think.Longcopylover
- This is PR. There might be a backlash against these companies. They will claim to have done all that they could when the vertict goes against thismugwart
- R_Kercz1
I wonder what it would cost for a company like Amazon to buy cyber monday. Would they make their money back if they completely owned online shopping in the US for the entire day?
- drgs2
Time to press that button, Kim Jong-un
- Miguex5
I went to fox news earlier because I read that republicans were actually in favor of putting down net neutrality, I got curious to see what were in their view the "positives" of this. (meaning from an average Joe perspective, not corporations.)
I could not find "Net Neutrality" anything as easy on other news outlets. The reason why?
They call it: "OBAMA-ERA INTERNET RULES"
These guys cracked the code, they use any negative connotation wording and attach the word "Obama" to any concept and chances are they will convince most of their viewers to stand against anything they want, even if it's in the viewer's own interests.
- idiots and assholes, all of themmonospaced
- I went and looked at FoxNews too and saw no mention of NN.MondoMorphic
- what's funny is that this might actually negatively affect trump supporters more than his criticsmonospaced
- ISPs can now, if they choose, give Trump-supporting parties a back seat on the bandwidth train, if their political leaning compels themmonospaced
- i agree that the Obama-Era Internet indeed does rulesarahfailin
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- moldero3
I wonder if we bitch enough about the repeal of Net Neutrality, Comcast, CNN, Verizon, etc on QBN, if QBN slow to a crawl in the US?
- mugwart2
On the plus side of what might be the start of something very dark in humanity - we have found someone more now hated than trump!
- yuekit2
In case people are wondering what happens next and what the timeline is...
This will certainly be challenged in court. However it's very unlikely that a judge would put a hold on the ruling while it is being litigated.
So by early 2018 (in two months), ISPs in the U.S. are going to be legally allowed to throttle certain kinds of traffic (torrents, Bitcoin, etc) or prioritize their own services and slow down competitors (Comcastic video!) or block sites they don't like entirely.
Thanks Trump supporters!
- yuekit2
The lying just never ends...now it's "Obama's FCC Chairman." Actually Trump appointed him Chairman last January.
On the plus side, I guess they at least realize how unpopular this decision is.
- winning!inteliboy
- wat.sarahfailin
- honestly he might not know. The dude is a dunce.dbloc
- Sounds like his dad. "I JUST HEARD ABOUT THIS AND WOW I'M AN EXPERT"
Sorry that you're so fucking stupid that you think you're smart. That's actually sad.garbage - So we're still blaming everything on Obama...Maaku
- lol, this asshole is proud that he managed to get net neutrality removed without any of his moronic followers being informed ... congrats ... swamp monster winmonospaced
- i've been writing term papers about NN since the 90'splash
- bliznutty2
- which also should make you wonder, "How bad was the internet in 2015" before these regulations?bliznutty
- That's a misunderstanding...t... internet always operated with a kind of unofficial net neutrality.yuekit
- In the early 2010s, ISPs like Verizon began slowing down and blocking content they didn't like (such as torrents).yuekit
- There was a long court battle and after a few years it resulted in this rule being passed.yuekit
- Now that the rule has been revoked they will be free to block and censor as much as they want. And they have very clear plans to do so.yuekit
- wow and economists are usually HUGE supports of pro-consumer, equality issues too. finally we're on our way to the free market utopia of our dreams guys!sarahfailin
- sarahfailing how's your government utopia going? isn't this thread essentially just more complaining about govt, which works so well for you in another breath?bliznutty
- yeukit last i checked it was govt agency DHS actually forcefully shutting down torrent sites.bliznutty
- Yes the government has seized sites it accuses of piracy or counterfeiting.yuekit
- However sites like the Pirate Bay are out of their reach due to being hosted overseas.yuekit
- ISPs on the other hand would be able to block access to those sites. They can also slow down or block torrent downloads themselves which are decentralized.yuekit
- the main forceful filters of internet content around the world are governments. open your eyesbliznutty
- yuekit1
It's hard to understand why Trump voters would support repealing net neutrality in the first place.
Let's look at who the big ISPs are...
1) Comcast - owns NBC and MSNBC
2) AT&T - owns CNN
3) Verizon - owns Huffington Post and YahooThese are the same news channels and sites that conservatives are constantly calling "fake news" and think of as the enemy. They will now have the ability to deliver their own sites and services faster than their competitors, and block and censor anything they want.
Furthermore if censorship happens you can guarantee it will be controversial technologies and content they go after first. Torrents and cryptocurrency but also stuff like the alt right, white nationalism, etc.
I don't support those groups but I absolutely believe they should have the right to publish...however that right no longer exists once this rule becomes law.
- would you fucking stop w/the 'trump supporter' bullshit for a second? This is far beyond just 'trump supporters' but sit w/many whom believe in a 'free market'PonyBoy
- that's not just a 'Trump supporter' thing... this topic has existed long before the orange fucker stepped into his crazy round room (oval orifice)PonyBoy
- It's getting dangerous in here to even be 'me' or someone like... I'm expecting to get shredded for caring about a customer driven market... but fuck if...PonyBoy
- ... I'm not going to step up and speak for a 'free market'-driven internetPonyBoy
- Any company that wishes to stay in business will not fuck us (the customer)... that makes zero sensePonyBoy
- FUUUCK :) I hate all these notes. :)
I meant... I'm GOING to step up and speak for a 'free market'-driven internet... it's not FREE to get online...get over itPonyBoy - Are you drunk posting PonyBoy? It's getting dangerous to be in QBN? haha cmon.yuekit
- Reread my post, I'm actually trying to see it from their perspective in terms of why this would be a bad thing.yuekit
- If you have my opinion it is... fuck, man... you been watching the shit I take lately just cuz I can't jump on 'everything republic or trump sucks' bandwagonPonyBoy
- Like it or not it's the GOP that made his happen...but I don't think it's actually in the interest of the conservative base.yuekit
- *republicanPonyBoy
- You watch... my post after yours is going to get eaten alive :) You know what I say is true ( and yeah... a bit drunk regardless) :DPonyBoy
- But what you said ISN'T BAD. Thse ISPs aren't going to gouge us... they'd be MORONIC to do so...right?PonyBoy
- And 'throttling' a few things that require large bandwidth? So-be-it!!!!! It's their bandwidth, content and prerogative. The market will force a 'fair' price...PonyBoy
- Yes they'd be stupid to straight up gouge people...I don't think that's what's going to happen.yuekit
- ... else they'll lose lose us.PonyBoy
- What exactly did they 'make happen' though? What is BAD here? That's what I'm asking. Yes—the path to 'gouge' us open—but do you think they'll take it? No way.PonyBoy
- It's going to be more subtle than that. Prioritizing their services over their competitors. Blocking new technologies and unpopular content.yuekit
- Okay, so—if they're not going to gouge then what's to worry about? Throttling specific shit? Alienating mom / pop sites? How?? That means they alienate hosts.PonyBoy
- You're focusing on the ownership aspect and people should pay for what they use. That's not unreasonable, but it's not as if companies don't pay for bandwidthyuekit
- I still don't see that happening... it makes zero sense as 'hosts' that host mom / pop sites will be pissed AND ALIENATED. It hurts across the board...PonyBoy
- today. The real danger is that it gives censorship type power to a handful of ISPs who also happen to own content companies.yuekit
- ... if any ISP does that. Web Hosts (ag, MT) will lose their shit as they're also 'customers' of the ISPs... again, it makes no sense to fuck anyone w/crazy...PonyBoy
- They have a vested interest in creating a different kind of internet where their own businesses are the most profitable and successful.yuekit
- It's also in their interest to kill off things like torrents (since they own movie studios etc) and maybe disruptive new technologies that are seen as a threat.yuekit
- ...price gouging. You fuck the small guy you fuck the big guy too—it doesn't make sense to alienate your customer regardless of their size ever (intentionally)PonyBoy
- Well... if there wasn't such a festering amount of illegal activity that occurred w/torrent technology there'd be nothing to worry about there...PonyBoy
- ... and mind you I get where you're coming from on these items... but you have to put some blame on 'us' for stealing all these years... yes? :)PonyBoy
- by 'us' I don't necessarily mean yuekit or myself... but merely the rest of you assholes. :)PonyBoy
- I guess I'm saying I have no problem w/studios attempting to make every last dime they can off their art... ... God knows I try to do the same w/mine. <3PonyBoy
- Sorry I attacked about calling this a 'trump supporter' thing, yue... :) I understand why in this current climate that'd be first on anyone's mind.PonyBoy
- Seems like you don't understand how significant the censorship potential is considering recent events.cotton
- @PonyBoy, not sure if you know, but Fox News is trying to convince their viewers, Trump supporters, that net neutrality laws need to be repealed.monospaced
- Not sure if you know, but mainstream media, Trump haters, are siding with the idea that net neutrality needs to be maintained. There is a party line, bro.monospaced
- You might be surprised to find out that Trump supporters often support the decisions Trump's admin makes, including the repeal of Title II net neutrality.monospaced
- But you won't find any Democrats doing that, not at all.monospaced
- cotton... it's just 'potential'... and yes I do get it... it's just nobody has published any plans / said they're going to censor a thing. Seems to me that...PonyBoy
- ...any censorship would be 'stupid' to try and pull off as you're alienating people. If a Corpo is accused of doing that they'd be hurting themselves.PonyBoy
