Atheists.
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- gentleman0
also made me smile
- beast080
So, let me guess, you are an atheist?
- beast080
Also very ignorant because whether you are a Christian or not the Bible is one of the greatest pieces of literature ever written - my English teacher told me so, so it must be true!
- iCanHazQBN0
HEY LADY... if your parents hadn't immigrated from China to America (jesusland), you'd be worshipping Buddha right now, you self-righteous, ignorant bitch.
- and happy holidays.iCanHazQBN
- Buddism isn't a religion.beast08
- i never said it wasiCanHazQBN
- And you don't worship Buddha man.. Jeez get yo shit straight. ;)lifterBARON
- yerolda0
A bit arrogant of the human race to presume that there must be more than this I think. I'd never mock anyone for their beliefs and I have a lot of respect for people who live their life to any particular faith but of some decides to believe in something else then why actually get hot under the collar about it?
Respect people for what they believe in even if you don't agree. Tolerance is the key to peace on earth.
- mikotondria30
Indeed not sir, we all find the majority of your insights, knowledge and wit to be first class on the vast majority of topics that roll past us all on here.
But then these seems to take a back seat with statements such as "You cannot prove his non-existence. Nevermind the typical response that the onus of proof is on me."
No - er, UNmind that the onus of proof IS on you.
You are claiming that something IS true. We are claiming that it is not. We are not countering your claim with another solid claim, that x does not equal y, but equals p, we are saying categorically that your claim of x=y is not demonstrably true, that is stands alone as an unproven entity, with no ties to the rest of logic.
In this case, we the above find that with all the love and respect in the word that you are marginally sweetly deluded about this particular aspect of your thinking.
We are all deluded to one degree or another about many things, and to some extent our internal lives and that which we share with others are a carefully orchestrated dance of illusions and delusions; people spend a lifetime convincing themselves that the grand and the tiny fictions they live with are true enough to live out because the counterpart to them is unbearable. That the universe is a hugely incomprehensible infinitely complex place of which we are but a tiny yet wonderful brief and mysterious event, or that our parents arent the people we need them to be, that we are not half as smart nor have half as many answers as we think we do, or need, or that people really take as much notice of rambling responses like these some 150 posts into a topic.
I too am slightly deluded in this respect, and as a fellow delusionist we share far more in who we are and how we live our lives, despite my techical atheism, than we might suppose. Here's to the sweet, brief fantasy that flashes past us all every day, lets get together once a year and stick a tree in the corner of the room and eat too much and just relax and love each other, theres far more truth in our lies than the real world could ever muster.
- Nairn0
I really dig the Asian chick's mad eyes over the YouTube play sign.
That's something else I've never understood - Oriental Christians.
I mean.. how? why? when? It's just too much for my little brain to take in.
- eating_tv0
To be honoust, I don't think any of my friends is religious - or practicing at that.
And Christmas is bull. It's the celebration of the birth of Christ, but wasn't he born in june, july?
- A celebration of His birth, and yet all we really do is spend too much and wait in long lines for material things. Hmmm.ETM
- ukit0
^ I would like to nominate the above for best comment on NT, ever.
- iCanHazQBN0
Nairn, me too... you'd think they' be smarter than that.
- tommyo0
Designbot:
I'm not saying that it ALWAYS comes down to people trying to make others believe what they do, not in the slightest. I have plenty of conversations with people about their faith and only rarely do I feel as if they are trying to convert me, or save me. I'm just interested in learning in their beliefs as they are about mine.
I'm sorry but I don't feel like 'truth' isn't as concrete a word as you claim it to be. Truths are very much subjective which is why we're commonly 'searching' for it. Interchange the word 'truth' with 'belief' if you disagree with my presentation of the word and it still represents exactly the same thing I meant it to mean. 'Truth' to me is always subjective to personal perception when applied to a topic that really has no widely accepted solidified version...i.e....religion.
So if we do have proof that eliminates all, or any, belief systems that would then make "not one of us has proof of our beliefs" an untrue statement - I'd love to see it. Bible doesn't count, unless of course you're prepared to champion one book of faith over another as the ultimate truth. Which btw, kind of proves my point. How can one discount another persons belief based on their own belief when evidence of such a belief is only a product of historical record. I'm not challenging your faith, I'm just pointing out that there are many systems out there and the only proof there is for any of them is historical literature of their system. Proving it to everyone, concretely, is like a dog chasing it's tail I'm afraid. So the only thing we can then stand on is our own personal faith in what we believe. Which by definition is not exactly 'proof.'
In summary, can't we all just believe what we want to and let God, Shiva, Jesus, Allah, Mother Earth sort us out in the end?
- Nairn0
There are Chinese Jews too
o_O
Though, to be fair - that's just cool.
- boobs0
Are there different kinds of athiests? You know, like there are Baptists and Methodists and Catholics?
Quaker Atheists would be a good one.
- just hot, and not hot atheists. we are a materialistic shallow lot.iCanHazQBN
- moth0
Religionists have a lot in common with 'terrorists' really. It's like a big gang quietly supporting wars and violence all over the place. The whole thing is totally abhorrent and full of the worse kind of hypocrisy. I don't care if your good book doesn't promote violence - the reality of your religion does - time and time again. Faith is tantamount to sponsoring violence.
I hope that one day a strong political leader will come out and say it and ban the lot of it.
Happy Christmas.
- I'll run for Dictator of Earth and make your wish come true.Lillebo
- I'd rather have a dictatorship than a Fox loon running the show.moth
- MOTH FOR PRIME MINISTERJaline
- I truly believe an enlightened dictatorship has the best potential. Too many retarded people in the world to allow them to have a say..Lillebo
- ..them to have a sayLillebo
- Religion is used as an excuse for violence, people are bad, get over it.beast08
- Nairn0
Orthodox Atheist?
Reborn Atheist?
- gung_hoek0
this discussion is odd, because both sides really argue for the same thing. basically god is really just a reflection of your own conscience. religious people project themselves onto a higher being ("god"), others experience the same thing by meditating (e.g. buddhists and tantraists, if I´m not mistaken). Atheists can experience a similar thing by auto-suggestion/auto-suggestive techniques (which are recognized and measurable by scienctific research).
how you get in touch with yourself (sounds like a mindwank now :)) is really just a matter of taste and/or culture and/or upbringing. therefore an argument about that is futile.
the important thing is IMO, that every human being shares the same precondition to experience this (call it god, call it slef-conscience, whatever), it doesn´t really matter what the package for "god" is.
many atheists misinterprate and mock the belief in god as believing in some kind of person with a beard, while the majority of christians actually believes in a SPIRIT (+trinity thing...), if I´m not mistaken. If the fundamentalists from both sides would take a step back, you would notice that there´s much more common ground than differences in this debate. like e.g. the fundamental moral values, they´re really the same for all alike, global, timeless.
attacking people for their beliefs, or their non-beliefs for that matter, is like attacking someone for not having the same taste in music like yourself. does taht make sense?
- wordsinyourmouth0
I drink to Joseph Smith and Brigham Young and fuck lots of women for them as well.
- moth0
gramme - I believe in myself and my upbringing. I have faith only in myself. Right and wrong has evolved through mans trials and errors. We are quite possibly the only creatures in existence to be able to contemplate death and seek to avoid it, prevent it, remove ourselves from harm, and generally thus desire to be comfortable. Running around clubbing each other to death didn't make life easier.
Just as I'm sure you believe that God presented you with all these miracles mystical events, I believe you presented them to yourself, just I have presented to myself my own achievements and goals. I believe I can attain things. I believe I can will myself to improve, and I will improve. That's my faith right there. I call it positive thinking. You call it God. The output is the same.
I'd also agree with you that we are going backwards. Not everyone is as enlightened as you or me think we are. I don't have faith in other people to ALWAYS do the right thing. In an ever increasing population this becomes more evident, and by the failure of your Gods' or evolutions' design, we're still animals who WILL and DO regress to instinct and fear and violence to survive when pushed.
God is the result of our fear of this failing.
God is, perversely, the apparent (and blindingly obvious given the amount of blood spilt) catalyst for our failure.
Religion is the atrophy of man.
I heartily believe we would survive a little longer without it. Not a lot, but a little.
Stripped bare, we are animals.
- If God makes you strong gramme, the keep him.
But he's only the middle man to your good self ;)moth
- If God makes you strong gramme, the keep him.