Atheists.
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I'm not saying that it ALWAYS comes down to people trying to make others believe what they do, not in the slightest. I have plenty of conversations with people about their faith and only rarely do I feel as if they are trying to convert me, or save me. I'm just interested in learning in their beliefs as they are about mine.
I'm sorry but I don't feel like 'truth' isn't as concrete a word as you claim it to be. Truths are very much subjective which is why we're commonly 'searching' for it. Interchange the word 'truth' with 'belief' if you disagree with my presentation of the word and it still represents exactly the same thing I meant it to mean. 'Truth' to me is always subjective to personal perception when applied to a topic that really has no widely accepted solidified version...i.e....religion.
So if we do have proof that eliminates all, or any, belief systems that would then make "not one of us has proof of our beliefs" an untrue statement - I'd love to see it. Bible doesn't count, unless of course you're prepared to champion one book of faith over another as the ultimate truth. Which btw, kind of proves my point. How can one discount another persons belief based on their own belief when evidence of such a belief is only a product of historical record. I'm not challenging your faith, I'm just pointing out that there are many systems out there and the only proof there is for any of them is historical literature of their system. Proving it to everyone, concretely, is like a dog chasing it's tail I'm afraid. So the only thing we can then stand on is our own personal faith in what we believe. Which by definition is not exactly 'proof.'
In summary, can't we all just believe what we want to and let God, Shiva, Jesus, Allah, Mother Earth sort us out in the end?