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- locustsloth0
Ah here it is:
"The failed vote was no surprise. Republicans have been vowing for months to oppose Cordray's confirmation -- or any nominee's confirmation -- until key changes are made at the agency. Among their demands: eliminating the director's position, creating an oversight board instead, and requiring the agency to get congressional approval of its budget versus permitting it to draw funds from the Federal Reserve."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/20…The budget thing seems like the only legit reason. But all those reasons could be seen as just ways to prevent the agency's work completely. No leader, decisions by committee and having to wait on a budget (and/or be limited by it) all result in slow or no progress.
Once again, there is no black and white in this situation, just a bunch of children throwing fits because they're not getting their way
- pretty much, and it yeah it goes both ways, see above ^<********
- pretty much, and it yeah it goes both ways, see above ^<
- ukit20
Here's the thing...Republicans should approve his nominees in the first place, unless there is some valid reason not to. In this case, they openly said it was not because they opposed Cordray, but because they were opposed to the idea of a Consumer Protection Agency in the first place.
So if you are looking for who is "at fault" here I would point to Congress first. The original power grab here was them blocking the entire Consumer Agency from starting (which had already been passed into law) through a technicality.
- will not happen unless it benefits them, which clearly, in this case, it doesn't. but I'm overstating the obvious, no?********
- This is part of the reason Congress has 8% approvalukit2
- But this plus the NDAA shit, I mean what? I don't care if it was Romney or whomever. Same shit story.********
- The approval is warranted, but BHO is no better and he's defying the Constitution. Get real.********
- I don't think this means a whole lot...it's just the President slapping down Congress' obstructionismukit2
- There is nothing in the Constitution about recess appointments...it's all modern day practice based on unwritten rulesukit2
- rules.ukit2
- i forgot jazx is an expert in africa and constitutional law, tooBonSeff
- His silence when someone calls him JazX is great.DrBombay
- You two border on obsessive with this JazX thing. Why not concentrate on what he says rather than who he is/was?locustsloth
- i feel the same about how you chime in on my commentsBonSeff
- i chime in because you are helping create the environment of baseless contention that you then complain aboutlocustsloth
- And i understand you've been dealing with it longer than i have but still, you are instigating to some degreelocustsloth
- i respect that you take the time to quickly look up facts to refute his bullshit posts.BonSeff
- we've done it in the past as well. it was fruitless and went largely ignored.BonSeff
- why i asked if that was rhetoricalBonSeff
- it has come to the point when i actually am compelled to respond, it is sophomoricBonSeff
- there are some people that post here that actually present good content thoBonSeff
- why i keep coming back. its just drowned by jazx bullshitBonSeff
- i mean dude has run through at least 15-20 usernames in his tenureBonSeff
- i'm sure the prolonged basis that you've been dealing with it diminishes your will to try againlocustsloth
- it seems, at least the last few appearances, the vitriol from him doesn't appear until somebody else starts in with the namecalling etclocustsloth
- namecalling. He's oppositional in a reasonable way until that point. But i get where you're coming fromlocustsloth
- I make fun of him because I hate him, he tries to come around every few months as someone else. He is a textbook troll and you feed him.DrBombay
- troll and you feed him.DrBombay
- You, DrB , are actually the one that feeds his troll nature. That part of him thrives on pissing people off. You provide that for himlocustsloth
- him. i offered a reasonable counter to his article. i was not called a puppet or any other name. He actually agreed that something else may be going onlocustsloth
- something else may be going on. So what if he disagrees with what you like. Offer a respectful counter.locustsloth
- Calling him a troll and being arbitrarily negative is what feeds his negativity.locustsloth
- will not happen unless it benefits them, which clearly, in this case, it doesn't. but I'm overstating the obvious, no?
- ukit20
Thought this was interesting BTW...
- dbloc0
Paul leads in merch sales.
http://shop.cafepress.com/2012-e…- it'd be hilarious if this was his goallocustsloth
- politicians have merch?TheBlueOne
- locustsloth0
i think the budget thing COULD be a legit reason. i mean, we don't need another agency with a blank check. But i also think they are using this legit reason to prevent the agency from functioning.
- They should approve or disapprove nominees on the merits...hash out the other stuff elsewhereukit2
- yes, the issues raised in objection of this appointment should have been settled when making the agencylocustsloth
- ********0
Obama's Chevy Volt Gets 'Worst Product' Award
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/th…3. Volt
Company: General MotorsGM (GM) was originally so excited about the Volt that the company had announced in January it was speeding up its roll-out by six months. But by November the excitement had fizzled out. Larry Nitz, GM’s executive director for vehicle electrification told Reuters, “It’s naive to think that the world is going to switch tomorrow to EVs [electric vehicles].” Indeed, sales for the vehicle have been consistently low. Only 125 models were sold in July 2011. This was after GM spokeswoman Michelle Bunker was quoted as saying that the Volt was “virtually sold out” due to its popularity — a statement later shown to be misguided. Adding insult to injury, Chevy Volts are under investigation for fires involving the cars’ lithium-ion batteries. For concerned Volt owners, GM has offered free loaner cars.
The Obama Administrations' favorite car has had a rough time of late with sales goals not being met, exploding cars at NHTSA and media exposure of the high cost to taxpayers regarding Chevy Volt subsidies and federal funding of township purchases. Considering all the money spent by GM to hype the vehicle, the Worst Flop award is well-deserved.
- TheBlueOne0
" the carefully calibrated system of checks and balances that are hallmarks of the US constitutional system."
Is that what outrages you today mr trolly troll? The disturbance of the finely calibrated system of checks and balance, eh? And where were you when Bush took us to a couple of wars without congressional approval? Or was that you know, a gimmick you were down with? Patriot Act? That was all cool too, huh?
But now you are clutching your pearls? You have vapors?
Oh my, someone get the fair boy here some smelling salts for he is suddenly paying attention. Make sure someone stands behind him so he hits the floor gently when he passes out at all the rampant Kenyan socialism running amok.
- BonSeff0
If you want to blame any administration about our electric car problem, blame clinton/gore. if you were to look it up you would see that they held a summit with the american manufacturers in the 90's and threw tons of tax incentives at them to produce an electric car. here is the rub though, the didn't include the japanese. the japanese freaked out and really stepped up their game and lead the way. all the while we were turning out hummers and excursions and the like in the 90's. they squandered the money and now are a decade behind.
- DrBombay0
Locustsloth, you do know that JazX is a huge troll right? Why engage him with serious conversation? It is like trying to turn a ho into a housewife. :)
- no more a troll than you. you say what you think and ignore others. you're just on the other side of the fence********
- Let's see some examples, a troll says things they may not believe to rile up the masses.DrBombay
- When have I done that?DrBombay
- well for starters Dr. - anything i post you reply with absolute nonsense about breaking starbucks windows? btw = 20Xbliznutty
- I think anarchists are living in a fantasy world. Sorry if it offends you.DrBombay
- i don't think it's your position, but your condescension, that offendslocustsloth
- hey Dr you'll never convince me that you aren't a shallow trolling db.. but you can try to convince othersbliznutty
- Not interested in convincing anyone of anything.DrBombay
- no more a troll than you. you say what you think and ignore others. you're just on the other side of the fence
- locustsloth0
Why NOT engage him in serious conversation? When i have, i usually get serious conversation in return. And not just in this iteration, but in previous ones as well. It's only when he gets flooded with the JazX stuff, or called a troll or an ass or whatever, that he returns the same behavior.
You, Dobs, have a habit of denigrating anyone who disagrees with you. i've seen you demean someone's character in response to something you don't support a page after the two of you agreed on something else. You're passionate about you beliefs and that's fine. So is JazX.
In a nutshell, i'm trying to encourage respectful discourse by engaging in respectful discourse. If he decides to ignore the fact that i'm trying to be respectful, i'll likely stop engaging him. But so far, while pointed in his initial assertions, he has been fine in the ensuing discussions.
And i understand completely that you and BonSeff have probably done this already and it's crashed and burned. So why not just ignore it? Let pollyannas like me give it a try.- Not interested in engaging a troll who purposely tries to obfuscate his identity.DrBombay
- Why is he hiding his identity if he has good intentions?DrBombay
- you need to demean a person? their ideas aren't enough for you DrDobs?********
- Maybe he's trying to engage without the baggage of previous incarnationslocustsloth
- Would you be more accepting if he just assumed his original moniker? i am skeptical that you would. So at that point, what does it matter what he's called?locustsloth
- does it matter what he calls himself?locustsloth
- It's because DrAma is emotionally and mentally challenged. This isn't a conversation to him, it's a playground war.mathinc
- playground war.mathinc
- Ha, look it is the guy who's neck blew a bubble!DrBombay
- Constantly insulting people and acting like you aren't. That is what I can't stand about you.DrBombay
- Thanks for being completely unhelpful and unwanted, mathinclocustsloth
- How bout the two of you relax? :)mathinc
- TheBlueOne0
More American Fascism, this time from the Republicans - legal framework to lose your US citizenship if they think you're unAmerican:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/…
The Weimarism continues...2016 we vote in the first American Hitler, just you watch. And they'll have all the legal tools they'll need to kill the Republic - thanks to Bush, Obama and these asshat Tea Party Republicans.
- Insanity... What's the end game?mathinc
- Feudalism 2.0. And you're the serf.TheBlueOne
- I like your theory and concept, 'Weimarism" good one!********
- Although, I don't think it's solely the fault of the Tea Party, they are just as sick of the old ball and chain as you are, that's their premise.********
- their premise, it just gets lost in the shuffle. Same could be said of OWS movement. Good idea; bad representation.********
- TheBlueOne0
Your friendly face of US Fascism...
Sponsored by Rep. Charles Dent [R-PA15]. Co-sponsored by Jason Altmire [D-PA4], Robert Latta [R-OH5], and Frank Wolf [R-VA10]
Patriot Act, NDAA now this garbage....
Get the fuck out of the US in the next couple of years, I'm telling you.
- but where to go? us has a good location. and seems we're jsut now trying to do what everyone has already done********
- I've already had these thoughts. True********
- but where to go? us has a good location. and seems we're jsut now trying to do what everyone has already done
- utopian0
- Obama has professed his faith as well, heading out to Church after Perry called him out. It's a fucking charade. Get real!********
- Obama has professed his faith as well, heading out to Church after Perry called him out. It's a fucking charade. Get real!
- DrBombay0
http://www.mdjonline.com/view/fu…“I think Mitt Romney is a nice man, but I’m afraid of his Mormon faith,” Manning said. “It’s better than a Muslim. Of course, every time you look at the TV these days you find an ad on there telling us how normal they are. So why do they have to put ads on the TV just to convince us that they’re normal if they are normal? ... If the Mormon faith adhered to a past philosophy of pluralism, multi-wives, that doesn’t follow the Christian faith of one man and one woman, and that concerns me.”
- "better than a muslim". Well, I guess there's that...TheBlueOne
- Many issues shape people's votes. That's how it goes. If it doesn't comply with their belief system, oh well...********
- "Mormons are better than Muslims", she is not prejudice at all...DrBombay
- ********0
- +1mg33
- it's insane, if you stop and think about it.********
- psychopathic behaviorbliznutty
- yes, that was coined not long ago bliznutty. Totally dude********
- -1000 The Government budget is not a household budget...TheBlueOne
- ...if you think this is a reasonable comparison you haven't thought it throughTheBlueOne
- ********1
Deficits will start to get manageable when we get back to Clinton years level of tax rates. And the income will increase as we reduce unemployment. And the tax laws are simplified, hopefully to get rid of loopholes. Stimulus anyone? Infrastructure spending? We must replace the current Congress, I agree. You know the family can make more income also as well as cut back to suggest an appropriate corollary.
The GOP has presented us with out of touch crackpots. And Obama is the most conservative Dem president we have had since, oddly, Carter. Carter did nothing Keynesian and let the banks set the high interest rate. He did nothing about unemployment. If you can ignore the propaganda from the right wing both Carter and Obama are fiscal conservative in application of monetary policy. If someone tells you that Obama is a radical liberal, he really is incorrect.
We need to start a "new deal" of infrastructure spending, educational reform and aid and stiff financial regulations that does not allow fraud. Bring in more taxes from loophole eradication and higher rates for the top 1% that group has most of the extra wealth that is not in the system to tax anyway. I say do away with loopholes. But I am speaking of financial loopholes. There should be a tax for taking jobs and money offshore and a rebate for building jobs in the US. It is all very simple if we can get rid of present congress.
- Agreed. Easier said than done, unfortunately.locustsloth
- It would seem that the first step is getting corporate money out of the elections.locustsloth
- If you throw out the old guys before doing that, you'll just end up with a Congress full of corporate shillslocustsloth
- Absolutely. Might be good in theory, but will it happen? Doubt it. *sigh********
- A more perplexing problem is how to do away with the emotional rhetoric in campaigns,locustsloth
- Goes back to what we agreed on yesterday locustsloth. Get the leeches and psuedo symbiotic organisms out of it!********
- convince people to vote with their minds rather than their hearts, which are easily swayed with the right (mostly disingenuous) wordslocustsloth
- wordslocustsloth
- Emotional rhetoric for sure! It all comes down to money. All of this religious, gay marriage, vote change doesn't = squat.********
- I couldn't agree more with you. VOTE WITH YOUR MIND NOT YOUR HEART!!********
- This is what a lot of the OSW is about, just represent yourselves better and have a clearer message.********
- Sadly, I think it probably started as a publicity stunt and just grew.********
- If this comment makes me a troll, well I'm unsure what to say, BTW.********
- And I'm a hypocrite for using Google products. Start with the fucking Google Empire. Moving money offshore!********
- locustsloth0
i often wonder if taking the "career" out of "career politician" would help things. As in forcing politicians out of a given position after 4 or 6 years, somewhat like the presidency. It seems the longer that people are in Congress, the more they know how to game the system, the more potential for corruption. Maybe knowing that they only have X amount of years to get done what they want will motivate them to work faster and more efficiently.
clearly there are problems with this theory, but i think that if serving in congress was thought more of as a civic duty than a career choice, we MAY end up with better members.- The obvious rub is that any change to the nature of our governance would have to be approved by those it would negatively effect. ie "Not gonna happen"locustsloth
- Definitely, should be limits. HAVE to HAVE limits! Christ, these guys live like Kings and die at 95.********
- negatively effect. ie "Not gonna happen"locustsloth
- mg330
I love how Bachmann stated that she wasn't a politician, because she thinks the word is something negative, and is too fucking dumb to realize THAT IS HER JOB AND THAT IS WHAT SHE DOES BY DEFINITION.
- She's a puppet. Like I said, she aligned herself with a certain demographic, in order to make money down the line. Sad!********
- But then again, if you think about it, it's no different than what Al Gore is doing and has done, etc. Slimy creatures.********
- How many "Christian" moms and families love her right now? Tons, and she and her team know this.********
- Don't be surprised if she becomes the VP choice. I could see it. The other guys think to big. Cain, Perry, Paul,********
- etc, too large of egos. Watch!********
- And you would vote for that, you are no smarter monkeyboy.DrBombay
- Panacea ... Puppets ? Thats it .. that's your answer.Ramanisky2
- She's a puppet. Like I said, she aligned herself with a certain demographic, in order to make money down the line. Sad!
- ********0
^ Yes, as far as your comment, absolutely. It is what it is lady.
