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- BonSeff0
"She's a puppet. Like I said, she aligned herself with a certain demographic, in order to make money down the line. Sad!"
– panaceaeerm, kind of like your 2008 VP Candidate, failin' palin?
- What's wrong with you? Of course that was what Palin was about at that point. No one in the GOP though McCain was********
- going to win in the first place. It was just a big charade.********
- how very hindsight of youBonSeff
- though = thought********
- as if I need hindsight in order to see through her BS. Come now. Pretty face; incompetent politician.********
- What's wrong with you? Of course that was what Palin was about at that point. No one in the GOP though McCain was
- BonSeff0
isn't santorum aligning himself with a certain demographic? GOP is a joke.
- in your eyes, but not in the eyes of many voters. you don't seem to get how this works.********
- certainly, as I stated, "out of touch crackpots" but it will not make much of a difference if BHO keeps stinking********
- the problem is obvious, see my longer post on the problems at hand. IMO, there's your evils.********
- How many people said Barry would never do it? I bet some of you thought that at first. Look now? GOP said that about Reagan.********
- Ronald Reagan.********
- no fucking way santorum wins over independent moderates. get real.BonSeff
- i love how you think you know how it works. get ready for 4 more years of obamaBonSeff
- I agree, that demographic isn't going to vote for him. It's going to be Romney, who sounds a lot like Obama.********
- I agree with the Santorum comment. You want 4 more years of BO, shame on you. Take a gander around you.********
- GOP has nothing for his fight, their candidates are a fucking train wreck.BonSeff
- i would have thought they would have got their shit together after their 2008 trouncingBonSeff
- Have fun with this clown. He's everything you thought you wouldn't be, right? Fucking clown in the driver's seat.********
- Hey, if you say so, if you think it's going to be some landslide, you're probably wrong and dare I say afraid of it.********
- in your eyes, but not in the eyes of many voters. you don't seem to get how this works.
- jmckinno0
- He's a clown as well. Although, if you're a true conservative, you'll like him. Moderates, no way. I agree with BonSeff.********
- But don't all these guys promise everything to their extreme constituencies? Then auto shift to the middle?********
- sounds like what BHO did. He's a middle liner.********
- He's a clown as well. Although, if you're a true conservative, you'll like him. Moderates, no way. I agree with BonSeff.
- Ramanisky20
riiiiight ... because only blahhh people receive welfare
- he's a Looney Tune. pandering to far righties. Impossible for him to carry the delegates he needs to win the nod.********
- Do you think he cares, if he loses, he's in the limelight. Millions will turn into multi-millions.********
- he could win. look at bush. the dumber the better. they will fall in line just like dems did for obama.74LEO
- dont kid yourself he could and most likely willbe the republican nominee.74LEO
- he's a Looney Tune. pandering to far righties. Impossible for him to carry the delegates he needs to win the nod.
- ********0
Obama's Recess Appointments: An Impeachable Offense?
http://news.investors.com/Articl…
New US Flag proposed!
- *crickets********
- panacea = popfodder?74LEO
- I'm guessing that you didn't get the politically themed post, not racially themed. Oi...********
- *crickets
- BonSeff0
you go to war with the army you got, and the best you got is romney.
how are you feeling about your chances?
you're fucking myopic.
and what the hell are you gonna do with your time without obama to bitch about, where will you find your racist monkey cartoons and banana flags? gfys- WTF are you talking about dude? Or in your case shall I say chick? Stop fucking crying.********
- Amazing, can't have an opinion at this website. WOW!********
- Voting for Romney seems a lot like voting for the same kind of person that Obama is at this point. If you don't like my********
- opinion, well back at you, gfys.********
- Now we have the makings of a banana republic, where the rule of clearly written constitutional law is compromised by a ruler's subjective whim.********
- compromised by a ruler's subjective whim.********
- If you don't like it. TOUGH FUCKING SHIT! You should be outraged, but aren't because your embarassed********
- that you voted for him and now are angry about it. Cool your fucking jets.********
- Things would be awesome if John McCain would have won, right JazX?DrBombay
- if we were to pull and list nothing but your racist bullshit posts, you would be embarrassedBonSeff
- or maybe you are just a cunt like thatBonSeff
- HAHA ... they got you there JazzyRamanisky2
- WTF are you talking about dude? Or in your case shall I say chick? Stop fucking crying.
- BonSeff0
Romney, Paul, Huntsman, Santorum, Gingrich, Perry
stellar cast there- but they will do sooooo much more gooder for this country right?Ramanisky2
- fuck, i'm not republican and i am embarrassed that is the best they haveBonSeff
- anyone but Obama is their mottoRamanisky2
- the only embarrassment is the one in office dude. The voter remorse shines on you like a quarter in the desert.********
- Well, yes Raminisky2, that's what the Democrats said last election. How easily you all forget.********
- Except it was Bush.********
- Who is your candidate, JazX? Who do you like in 2012?DrBombay
- DrBombay0
JazX will be back later after drudgereport updates their links.
- DrBombay0
Romney hates bailouts, unless he is personally profiting from them
http://www.reuters.com/article/2…
- He's no different than any of them. Hypocritical piece of work.********
- But you will vote for him.DrBombay
- Romney? Depends. If he starts making more sense perhaps, but I'm not throwing my vote at Obama II. Sounds like BHO.********
- Have you read his RomneyCare report!? Same crap.********
- I meant Obama Jr. in that respect. Not BHO.********
- I'd rather throw my vote to a 3rd party or abstain. Think how many remorseful voters will do the same with BHO?********
- Romney will lose more if Ron Paul goes indyDrBombay
- You could be very right about that. Ross Perot all over again.********
- He's no different than any of them. Hypocritical piece of work.
- ********0
http://www.washingtontimes.com/n…Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, seeking to solidify his status as the Republican presidential front-runner, criticized President Obama on Thursday as a “crony capitalist” who meddles recklessly with economic forces he doesn’t understand.
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Let the games begin! *cough- Are you a member of Reverend Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church by any chance?DrBombay
- ********0
- some serious talk there, I can't believe he won in the first place look at that MUG!********
- Are you a member of Reverend Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church by any chance?DrBombay
- A bunch of his old aides have been arrested over the past few days.DrBombay
- I believe it. Seems awfully slimy to me on a lot of levels. How did he get elected though? Someone drank the********
- Kool-Aid in WI.********
- He didn't win by much, but didn't campaign on union busting. It has been shady since the start.DrBombay
- losing more jobs than any other state. Campaigned on creating 250K jobs is down like 35KDrBombay
- He's horrendous! However, wasn't WI broke? Something had to be done.********
- He lied: http://www.youtube.c…DrBombay
- I see.********
- some serious talk there, I can't believe he won in the first place look at that MUG!
- BonSeff0
i wonder how Chrystler and GM feel about Obama's meddling, don't think the same can be said for romney's tenure at bain capital.. what a dipshit for romney to play that card.
- Uhmm, have you looked at the state of the economy? Volt, worst product of the year award, BTW.********
- http://finance.yahoo…********
- worst product according to Charles B. Stockdale.. who the fuck is he?BonSeff
- Dunno, but the Volt's are pieces of shit, along with the Fiat 500's.********
- Have you driven one?DrBombay
- Stories all over about how they blow up and act up and Chevy is getting rid of it. Fiat 500's yes, I have, not impressed.********
- Riding that Green Train ain't gettin' us anywhere fast, it is what it is. Can't compete with China.********
- http://autos.aol.com…********
- http://content.usato…********
- GM offers to buy back Chevrolet Volts from fearful owners********
- you hate americaBonSeff
- I don't hate America. I love America dude. It's the shit system that we have that I hate. See my long post.********
- on the other page, previously.********
- Do I think we live in a Banana Republic, fucking YES. It's obvious. See OWS!********
- Can't compete with China without having 13 year old kids working in coal mines.DrBombay
- Uhmm, have you looked at the state of the economy? Volt, worst product of the year award, BTW.
- mathinc0
It's unconscionable the way media coverage works in elections. I think media coverage and corporate campaign contributions need to be reformed. Unfortunately the Supreme Court doesn't see it that way for the latter and nothing will ever be done about the former.
For the past four months if you went to CNN to see what's going on in the GOP primaries you wouldn't even know that a guy named Ron Paul existed. Then when he started polling so well in Iowa that they couldn't ignore it any longer he got a little press. The minute he got third he was basically wiped off the website.. here's the first mention of him since:
I'm not even sold on him.. but I hate all the other candidates so he's my horse. Whether you like him or not the guy has done astounding things for someone who is pretty much ignored completely by major news outlets.
I wish they'd just homogenize the campaign process, put the whole thing on the web. No campaign ads, just one website that contained videos, voting records, etc. Take the marketing and all the money that's spent out of it, level the playing field. Make it easier for these politicians to be held accountable for their votes and issues when it comes time to consider them for a hirer office. Meh, just a dream.
- i'm on board with thisBonSeff
- super pac's are fucking bsBonSeff
- I agree, waiting to see about Paul. Soft money (foreign and domestic), kickbacks, loopholes in system all evil.********
- Slush funds, etc.********
- How'd you think Obama got into the office. Hipster / Social Marketing edge, along with Bush sucking.********
- How much money was thrown at his ass, with his constituents knowing damn well he'd win and be paid back 10 fold.********
- Totally agree. With all the free technology available how in the world does it cost 744 mil to become president?!?mathinc
- Was that the total amount?
MY GOD! Imagine the kickbacks!?!?******** - Paul, as DrBombay pointed out, may run on a 3rd party ticket, to prove some point, which would give BHO pres again.********
- too many Tea Partiers and disenfranchised voters out there, they'll vote for him. Slice the R vote. Good night.********
- In that case then it would be Obama or Romney. Same robot, who really cares. I'd rather see some validity for amathinc
- 3rd party candidate. More parties the better imo.mathinc
- mathinc, I completely agree. I have been saying that for a while. Romney = Obama on a lot of levels. RomneyCare?********
- I don't think we should be like Europe on a lot of levels (not going into it), but their multi-party system makes sense.********
- I love the way the Germans do it.********
- Romney has said he would kill Obamacare by using waivers, not the same. Would end Consumer Protection office.DrBombay
- Not the same at all, would deregulate everything. Not the same at all.DrBombay
- What they say != what they do. I don't give a fuck about either of them tbh.mathinc
- Not the same is the point.DrBombay
- You win. It's not the same.mathinc
- It's very fucking similar and you know it http://spectator.org….********
- What DrBombay is saying though is that it's not EXACTLY the same. He's right.mathinc
- Romney is lying, that's fucking easy to see. He'd do the same shit.********
- Not EXACTLY, of course, nothing is EXACTLY the same, but it's damn near the fucking same shit.********
- You two are jerkoffs.DrBombay
- BonSeff0
I would say there are many great potential leaders out there that simply can't afford to compete.
- In complete agreement with you.mathinc
- For sure and Ron Paul is actually one of them. Minus the racist rag gaff, which he'll never live down.********
- Look at the GOP crop right now? I'm not in favor of many of them. Same old crap; different day. It's how BHO********
- won, on his CHANGE agenda, but that didn't work, did it?********
- Republicans blocked everything. You must admit.DrBombay
- It just proves my point, if it were a Dem controlled Congress and a Rep president same charades.********
- That is if it doesn't suit both sides.********
- This chart proves you wrong http://farm2.static.…DrBombay
- ********0
Mitt Romney's Achilles' Heel
http://spectator.org/archives/20…Romney has been unwilling to repudiate the health reform he signed into law in 2006, complete with the hugely unpopular individual mandate. The latest Associated Press-GfK poll shows only 15 percent of the American people think the government should have the power to require citizens to purchase health insurance or pay a fine.
That's what Obamacare will do -- barring a Supreme Court repudiation -- and that's what Romneycare already does.In a November interview on Fox News, Romney got testy when anchor Bret Baier asked him, "Do you think a mandate, mandating people to buy insurance, is the right tool?" Romney replied, impatiently, "What we did in Massachusetts was right for Massachusetts. I've said that time and time again.... This is not a federal plan, it's a state plan."
Romney is stubbornly defensive about his universal coverage law, poking a finger in the eye of Republican voters who rightly see it as the platform for President Obama's takeover of health care. John McDonough, who helped design both Romneycare and then Obamacare, said the federal law is "Massachusetts with three more zeros."
- ********0
http://blog.american.com/2011/11…http://www.realclearpolitics.com…
Lawrence O'Donnell, MSNBC host: "Alright, come on. Come clean. You were in the room with President Obama discussing healthcare reform and you did in fact work with the Romney administration in Massachusetts. Come on Professor, you've got to tell us the truth."
Jonathan Gruber, MIT professor: "The truth is that the Affordable Care Act is essentially based on what we accomplished in Massachusetts. It's the same basic structure applied nationally. John McDonough, one of the other advisers,who work in both Massachusetts and advised the White House said 'it's the Massachusetts with three more zeros.' And that's basically a good description of what the federal bill did."
Gruber says Massachusetts received some federal funding for Romney's healthcare reform, meaning all U.S. taxpayers chipped in to fund RomneyCare.
O'Donnell: "And Massachusetts had a pretty good rate of coverage before you even went to the mandate. Romney makes a very strong point about the Obama bill is full of taxes to pay for it and the Romney bill did not have tax increases in it to pay for it."
Gruber: "Yeah, that is just technically true but intellectually not really straight forward. Basically, in Massachusetts, the financial for our bill came half from the federal government and half from an existing tax that former Governor and presidential candidate Michael Dukakis had put in, in 1988 to finance care for the uninsured. You see, we didn't have to raise taxes in Massachusetts because money was already there. At the federal level we didn't have that luxury. It wasn't like China was going to come and pay half the cost of the Affordable Care Act. There was no bigger government coming to help us out. And so we need to raise taxes so we can finance it."
- Can you say Glenn Hubbard ten times fast? http://en.wikipedia.…) Dean of the Columbia University Graduate School of Business********
- School of Business********
- meanwhile: http://www.glennhubb…********
- slight hypocrisy actually: "The obvious place to begin is repealing ObamaCare and its expansion of spending."********
- Can you say Glenn Hubbard ten times fast? http://en.wikipedia.…) Dean of the Columbia University Graduate School of Business
- waterhouse0
To say that the media ignores Ron Paul is to simply shill for his campaign. I'm so tired of Ron Paul choir boys stating this nonsense around everyone they talk to.
He may say sensible things about scaling back a military empire. He may even remind you of your beloved Pappy. Nonetheless, he is a fringe candidate and all of supporters need to understand that at one point or another. It so simple, no matter how much his campaign/supporters will try to obfuscate this fact.
- But what makes him a fringe candidate? Aside from the military aspect, his views are on are with conservative thought, no?locustsloth
- so what makes him fringe? It's a matter of perception and that perception is largely controlled by the media
locustsloth - i, personally, think his proposals could work logistically, but fail socially.locustsloth
- It's funny because mainstream conservatives' rejection of him as a viable candidate actually says more about what they TRULY want than it does about how viable Paul islocustsloth
- want than it does about how viable Paul islocustsloth
- Most of the American electorate doesn't want to eliminate the Fed.waterhouse
- Nor gut our military. Nor deny homosexuals the right to marry. Nor ban abortions.waterhouse
- Even most conservatives appear to be uncomfortable with his extreme past statements on race and sexuality.waterhouse
- sexuality. He vows to do things as President that constitutionally, Congress would never allow.waterhouse
- Even the Conservative electorate is smarter than you think. They recognize him for the flimsy con man that he is.waterhouse
- Let's also not forget that he'll be endorsed by virtually no major colleagues.waterhouse
- Thusly, Ron Paul's problem is not with the media alone.waterhouse
- agreed locustsloth, his views are smart, but socially, they'll never fly with most voters********
- mathinc0
^ I was going to post on the comments but I really hate discussing things over there.
I agree with you that there are some issues Ron Paul supports that fall on the wrong side of the fence for a lot of us, including me. But there's some things that make him refreshing to a lot of people too.
- Closing bases, what other nominee is pro on this issue? It makes a lot of sense economically and for the sake of our safety if we're not physically present in basically every other country.
- Very little tie to corporations, again what other nominee can say this? Just look at his campaign funding, of all the active gop candidates he's got the highest % of donations from small individuals: http://www.opensecrets.org/pres1…
- As much as I've seen the guy operates on principle and not on power or ego.
- He'd fight to repeal the Patriot Act and the new NDAA Act. Who else would do that? Restoring our civil liberties is and should be a major topic right now.
So, I don't really think he's as fringe as you do. The racist newsletters do bother me but that was a very long time ago. I know this is mostly campaign reaction to the newsletters but:
As far as not getting the same sort of coverage other campaigns are getting I don't think it's a stretch to make that claim. Although to be fair I don't really watch tv news and really only go to CNN.com to see what's happening so to be honest you might be right (I just saw this: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/poli…). He's also not for a ban on gay marriage but the way he describes it he's pro-gay marriage only so far as to say that the government shouldn't be involved in those sorts of decisions (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
And to counter something you said, most of the American Electorate hasn't a clue how what the Federal Reserve does.. or that they operate secretly without the scrutiny of congressional audits which is something that Ron Paul tried to get passed a few years ago. If they did know, maybe they wouldn't be for eliminating, but they'd undoubtedly be for tighter control.
- I'm waiting to see how this all pans out, if he goes 3rd party, I might throw my vote at him. I doubt he'll win R nod.********
- I'm waiting to see how this all pans out, if he goes 3rd party, I might throw my vote at him. I doubt he'll win R nod.
- Ramanisky20
This thread is moot
None of this matters... None
