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- version30
GetRefresh, it was nice having you here, don't come back
- TheBlueOne0
I'm not going to waste my breath arguing. I suggest you actually read the DHS report in question before you start with your rhetoric that it's "targeting verterans" specifically.
http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/ri…
After reading it, if you think it presents illegitimate or unwarranted, unsubstantiated points, I'd like to hear it.
- ukit0
The point about the memo was that it was just a memo - the DHS releases hundreds of them a year. The things who mentioned that Bush did, which I am also against, are actual policy changes.
Clearly the DHS has the responsibility to release memos so that there is some awareness of what kind of threats there are out there. It can't be so neutral and PC that it never delves into which organizations might be potentially committing violent acts, or what kinds of ideologies might motivate violence. I mean, what do you think the people at the DHS and the FBI do all day?
- designbot0
All I can do is LOL at much of this TBO.
How about this
"Proposed imposition of firearms restrictions and weapons bans
likely would attract new members into the ranks of rightwing extremist groups, as well as potentially spur some of them to begin planning and training for violence against the government. The high volume of purchases and stockpiling of weapons and ammunition by rightwing extremists in anticipation of restrictions and bans in some parts of the country continue to be a primary
concern to law enforcement.""Rightwing extremist chatter on the Internet continues to focus on the economy, the perceived loss of U.S. jobs in the manufacturing and construction sectors, and home foreclosures. Anti-Semitic extremists attribute these losses to a deliberate conspiracy conducted by a cabal of Jewish “financial elites.” These “accusatory” tactics are employed to draw new recruits into rightwing extremist groups and further radicalize those already subscribing to extremist beliefs. DHS/I&A assesses this trend is likely to accelerate if the economy is perceived to worsen."
I mean if this isn't propaganda, I don't know what is. This is all paranoid speculation. The worst part is I don't see anywhere where the word "rightwing extremist" is actually clearly defined.
"Rightwing extremist chatter on the Internet continues" huh? Are they actually using things people say online as evidence of the rise of extremists? WOW.
- designbot0
Disgruntled Military Veterans
(U//FOUO) DHS/I&A assesses that rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to exploit their skills and knowledge derived from military training and combat. These skills and knowledge have the potential to boost the capabilities of extremists—including lone wolves or small terrorist cells—to carry out violence. The willingness of a small percentage of military personnel to join extremist groups during the 1990s because they were disgruntled, disillusioned, or suffering from
the psychological effects of war is being replicated today.This part might as well read "disgruntled Mexicans" or "disgruntled Jews" because it is basically telling authorities to give special attention to this group of people (vets).
- Why do disgruntled mexicans have combat experience? Have they tried blowing up federal buildings i n Oklahoma?TheBlueOne
- Doesn't matter.
What if they had?designbot - what if what if what ifDrBombay
- ukit0
whatever dude - have you ever listened to Alex Jones or Hal Turner or another of those paranoid types?
The description above just sounds like a transcript of one of the shows.
- ukit0
Are you kidding? Just look at the popularity of online movies like "Zeitgeist" which basically alleges the same thing.
Now granted, believing that the world is controlled by evil Jewish bankers doesn't necessarily make you violence prone, but it's a fairly common view out there.
- I know lots of paranoid people, none of them are violent. I don't see the connection.designbot
- designbot0
What about this?
"Many rightwing extremist groups perceive recent gun control legislation as a threat to their right to bear arms and in response have increased weapons and ammunition stockpiling, as well as renewed participation in paramilitary training exercises. Such
activity, combined with a heightened level of extremist paranoia, has the potential to facilitate criminal activity and violence.""rightwing extremist groups perceive recent gun control legislation as a threat to their right to bear arms" well duh! This wording is actually quite scary as it takes buying weapons and ammo and links these actions to "rightwing extremist" What about the people that are simply afraid it will be harder to get a gun in the future, or fear that their right to bear arms will be hindered by Obama? Can you not see the propaganda and fear tactics here?
- ukit0
haha...well i think it's the second part of the sentence that is more key here.
"...and in response have increased weapons and ammunition stockpiling, as well as renewed participation in paramilitary training exercises."
- dude you know some of this is jacked up, reminds me of something Bush would do honestly.designbot
- fooler20
"What about the people that are simply afraid it will be harder to get a gun in the future"
It should be. When's the last time you heard a gun was used for a good cause?- No it shouldn't be. And to answer your question...the other night on the news. A senior citizen protected his home by shooting a burglar.designbot
- shooting a burglar.designbot
- and the burglar had what a salami as a weapon? :DDrBombay
- DB, if you lived in the city, you may have a different opinion.DrBombay
- OK for that one example I can list 100's of random acts of gun violence.fooler2
- Dr.B I just moved from Downtown Minneapolis. I was in the heart of downtown in an area that wasn't great...but not ghetto either.designbot
- either. We lived there over a year without any mishaps which I am thankful for. I would always see homeless people roaming my area though.designbot
- neighborhood though. The ghetto was just on the other side of the freeway so we had stragglers.designbot
- homeless people don't have guns.DrBombay
- Yeah homeless people are mostly pretty harmless. The gangsta kids walking my area, not so much.designbot
- Was a gun ever actually pulled on you, or just paranoid?DrBombay
- No, but it is good to know you can protect your family if you need to....and trust me I don't ever want to be put in that position.designbot
- position. If you had kids you might feel differently.designbot
- Paranoia will destroy yaDrBombay
- Never had a gun pulled on me. Did have someone try and break through my girlfriends (now my wife) window though.designbot
- I was robbed at gunpoint 2 years ago, didn't change my mind one bit.DrBombay
- I agree about being overly paranoid. Hopefully you can see by all my posts I am extremely mildly tempered.designbot
- ...super laid back. If anyone should own a gun it should be people with similar characteristics. Not those paranoid fools you speak of.designbot
- paranoid fools who you speak of.designbot
- Wow robbed at gunpoint. Well I can respect your view in light of that. Props on that.designbot
- get a baseball bat and a dog if you feel the need to protect your family.fooler2
- I was pretty ripped and in a suit when it happened, probably helped out a lot. :)DrBombay
- most hand guns are often used on or by a family member.fooler2
- fooler, I see what your saying. I think these are good ways to protect yourself as well.designbot
- Dr.B, nice :) So you gave them your money and they split?designbot
- Yup, about $125 bucks.DrBombay
- If I would have pulled a pistol, I probably would have gotten capped. That is my point.DrBombay
- everyone has this romantic view of what they would do if their family was threatened, its mostly bullshit.DrBombay
- I wouldn't have pulled a gun either. You made a smart decision to give them the money. But what if it wasn't over money, but you had to protect someone you loved from getting raped or something similar?designbot
- what if it was to protect someone you loved from getting raped or something horrible? A bat is not going to stop some huge guy(s)designbot
- Stop with the "what if's" man, please?DrBombay
- or even a skinny guy if he's on PCP. A gun on the other hand (even if you don't kill them) will stop them.designbot
- You can convince yourself of anything with "what ifs"DrBombay
- okay, okay I'll stop :)designbot
- I admire your view, actually.designbot
- Do you get a lot of pcp addicts in suburban colorado? ;)DrBombay
- haha, no the hippies prefer meth :)designbot
- dobs knows pain. he grew up poor in the ghetto and understands life more than us all.********
- You're a cunt.DrBombay
- IRNlun60
I think this is a pretty important statement.
"Such activity, combined with a heightened level of extremist paranoia, has the potential to facilitate criminal activity and violence."
To me this implies a combination of factors which lead to a potential threat. Not just a singular action such as the stock-piling of weapons.
The biggest issue I took was with the label 'right-wing' extremists. Regardless of whether these white supremacy groups lean more towards the right end of the spectrum, the label of 'right-wing' just politicizes a real and potential threat making it seem unrealistic and farfetched.
- agreeddesignbot
- left wing extremists would hug you to death though. Important distinction.DrBombay
- What about the protests Dr.b? They frequently seem to escalate to violence.designbot
- Was a gun ever actually pulled on you, or just paranoid?DrBombay
- wrong note.DrBombay
- Anarchists aren't left wingers.DrBombay
- LOL, good point.designbot
- version30
I've been robbed twice at gunpoint, these resulted in me acquiring gun training. i'd like to see them pull that shit again. ;)
- ********0
i was robbed at gunpoint once.
he pulled a gun on me and said "gimmie all your money motherf*cker" and i was kinda drunk and said "that's not a gun, these are guns" and i held my arms up and flexed doing a front double bicep. the robber stopped for a moment and tilted his head back to laugh. at that moment i grabbed his neck and tore it out killing him almost instantly. then i dragged his lifeless body into the lake and threw him in the direction of Wesley's house and yelled "WESLEY..... WEEEEEEESSSSSLLLLLLEEEEEYYYYYYYY... as the barn burned in the background.
- sorry i've been drinking********
- Roadhouse!!!zenmasterfoo
- no that really happened. that movie was based on my life.********
- then I would have trouble not watching your life on tv...all the time.zenmasterfoo
- awesome!BonSeff
- sorry i've been drinking
- ********0
back in january i decided something.
3 things i'd try an never talk about.
politics
religion
mac vs. pci've broken the rule a time or two but really, what a waste of time. no matter what either side says, democrat to republican, believer to non-believer, mac user to pc user, no one will EVER change their opinion on the subject. ever. the conversations always start off innocent enough but they always turn into a slug match. 20 minutes later what was accomplished? nothing.
i'm just lurking while drinking. or vice versa. 7616 posts later and it's the same as 6 posts in. how many years this been going on? years. think about it. yeeeeeaaaarrrrs. for what?
haha. i can't help but laugh.
- You're drinking at 3pm on a tuesday.DrBombay
- Seems you may have problems of your own you need to sort out ;)DrBombay
- you're under the assumption i'm in your timezone. the whole world revolves around you.********
- it was a joke, bitch. there is absolutely nothing wrong with drinking at 3pm on a tuesdayDrBombay
- Think of this thread as an example of the Hindu cycle of death and rebirth...TheBlueOne
- ..or Cambpell "Hero of a Thousand Faces"..tired arguments, but someone has to do them...TheBlueOne
- "it was a joke, bitch." did someone forget their nap today? how on earth do you keep your job?********
- i just can't imagine while at work you can't go more than 10 seconds without swearing at someone.********
- GeorgesII0
its the jews,
no it's the bankers,
no it's the illuminati,
no it's the nazi international,
no it's the rothschild,
no it's the skulls and bones,
no its the rosecrutians,
no it's the cfr,
no it's the club or rome,
no it's the bilderberger,
no it's the vatican,
no it's the queen,
no it's the cecil rhodes,
no it's the Cecils,
no it's the ufos,
no it's the masons,
no it's the satanist,
no it's the lucis trust,
no it's the church of seth,
no it's scientology,
no it's obama,
no its (fill the blank)- ..it's that fucker GeorgesllTheBlueOne
- Actually, it's greedy, fearful, stupid humans.TheBlueOne
- its a11 of themlazerbass
- and melazerbass
- ********0
- fooler20
I met this bartender a few weeks ago and I told him he looked just like Gleen Beck. He was kind of offended and it ended up being one of our cities more famous drag queens, Lotta Liquor.
not sure if you can see the similarities but when he/she's not all dolled up he looks just like him!
- robotron3k0
the new crop circle says it all
