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- tommyo0
The education system needs an audit. I know teachers and they always get the short end of the stick. So much so that there are a lot of people not going into the field. There is too much bureaucracy. I think if you let the teachers teach, and got the chefs out of the kitchen then our education system would be much much better. If you can attract better teachers then your children get a better education. Right now the people at the top are sucking up so much money that you can't give teachers a viable wage.
- HOW do you go about doing this?DrBombay
- Fire administrators. Done.tommyo
- and hire who?DrBombay
- Are you this dense or is this an act? Hire who? What the fuck are you talking about? Fire them as in eliminate their position.tommyo
- AND THEN WHO RUNS IT? Cinderella?DrBombay
- Ohhh so you think I'm saying 0 administrators. So you really are this dense?tommyo
- So teachers just teach whatever they want then?DrBombay
- Sounds awesome, please go on.DrBombay
- Honestly man, I don't even know why I respond to you. The logical leaps you try and make are amazing. Scientists shouldtommyo
- study you. You're a rare specimen sir, rare indeed.tommyo
- no answer again. gut the system replace it with nothing cross your fingers and pray.DrBombay
- hahaha gut the system. ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?? That's honestly what you got out of what I said?tommyo
- Fire the administrators is what you proposed right?DrBombay
- 'Fire administrators' not 'Fire THE administrators' Read please.tommyo
- Word parser.DrBombay
- Do you have a specific list of administrators or are you just full of shit again?DrBombay
- Do I have a list? No dick I have to confer with my very own Director of Administrators Audit Board first.tommyo
- Your solution is really simplistic is my point.DrBombay
- haha do I have a list. hahaha I mean honestly man, go see a mental health professional. I'm honestly laughing at you.tommyo
- It was a joke to prove my point, you're all like dont fire all of em just some of em.DrBombay
- Which ones?DrBombay
- Get it?DrBombay
- tommyo0
Look, we as designers know that more decision makers equals a far worse product than one knowledgeable designer. This analogy makes so much sense to us that we've coined and championed the 'design by committee' term. Why can't we see that this is basically what happens with our government? With their government programs? FEMA comes to mind quickly. School systems. Taxes. Business licensing and operation. They're all so horribly clusterfucked that it's difficult to achieve their end goal, a good product.
- It's a question of scalability really...and value trade offs...TheBlueOne
- TheBlueOne0
Yeah, but, in regards to education, it's far more of a local issue than it is a federal. And if you want better teachers you simply HAVE to pay them more. I agree with the conservative point that we need to test teachers more often and not be so quick to give them tenure, but on the flipside, starting teachers make dipshit money. No one worth a damn would teach for those salaries.And there's way too much money going to administration in the public system...
But like I said it's a local issue based on tax revenues - in say Westchester county NY, or in Greenwich CT you have some pretty awesome public schools, some of the best secondary schools in the country. Has nothing to do with public/ private or whatever..it's that these districts simply pay their teachers more.
- tommyo0
^^ Agreed. I think a lot of states end up top heavy in the school systems where admins are abundant. Teaching as a process is a simple thing, I don't understand why they need so many administrative personnel. It seems like one of those paradigms where a gov run industry spends their whole budget as a practice so as not to have it reduced the following year. They really should audit and provide oversight in these industries as a whole.
My brother was in the air force for 9 years and they capped their budget every cycle. Buying expensive shit just to top it off. Hell I've got a $900 sleeping bag system sitting in my room care of uncle sammy. This sort of thing is rampant in all areas of gov.
- ukit0
"Liberals want to put more cheese in the machine to achieve a full bucket. Conservatives want a better tuned chute. Both will render generally the same results."
haha, except with Bush it's more like, ignore both approaches and leave the cheese shredder running while you go clear brush at your ranch in Texas.
- haha! Man to be honest, the Repubs are so off track that analogy isn't even true anymore.tommyo
- ********0
Love him or hate him, Glenn Beck put it quite simply, when he said...
"Bush plus Obama (and mostly Obama) will put us $12+ Trillion in the hole, and the "tea-baggers" are the ones who are "out of touch"?
To this I say, no shit!
- BattleAxe0
I hear all those rants on Education , I work in this sector and what a waste is all I can say.
and talk about dam nearly impossible to get Fired , True stories:
One Admin had pending charge of Child Pornography on his ass, what does the District do, transfer him not till he was actually trown in Jail awaiting his case was he Terminated
A bus driver and a bus monitor get caught using one of the buses as their own private Motel, they get fired, they file a grievance and get re-hired
so that is a big problem somehow it is cheaper to keep incompetent personnel than it is to fire and hire new people
- designbot0
I don't think anyone gets into teaching for the money....it's similar to ministry in that regard :P
I think there is a false assumption that if we pay teachers more (not saying we shouldn't pay them more) that this somehow equates to better teaching and a better education for our children. You could presumably have people getting into teaching just to make a solid and steady income...not for the love of teaching and not because they have any kind of passion to do so. In an odd sort of way you could say the low pay actually kind of empowers the "hard-core" who are passionate about teaching and get into it knowing they will make jack for pay....afterall the reason they get into it has nothing to do with money.
Teachers are for sure under paid, don't get me wrong. I just thought this was something interesting to chew on.
- Yeah, but for something as fundamental as education to the health of our society, do youTheBlueOne
- think it is wise just to hope for a few "hardcore" teachers doing it on the cheap?TheBlueOne
- Most teachers I know already pay out of pocket for supplies..crazy...TheBlueOne
- Yeah, you're right. I was just thinking out loud. I do think more needs to be done then just increased pay though...designbot
- Obama's idea seems pretty solid.designbot
- Yeah, it actually does...TheBlueOne
- ukit0
OK GetRefresh and tommyo, how do you think the Republican agenda should change? Or should we go back to the Bush model after a few months of Obama?
I know everyone hates Bush personally cause he's easy to laugh at, but what specific policies would you change.
- tommyo0
Personally a semi-Paul approach would be beneficial as well as appealing, imo. I like the guy, and he easily attracts the 'disenfranchised Republican' in me but I can see where he might be a bit too radical. Until they stop speaking to me as child with a terrorist puppet and 'they hate us for our freedoms' logic I'm not interested in the slightest.
As far as policy changes, I wish they'd start practicing what they're supposed to stand for and reduce our foreign involvement, reduce gov spending, reduce gov involvement in social policy and actually respect the constitution.
- lowimpakt0
yes. paying teachers more isn't the answer but investment in education is more than paying salaries.
Many countries have innovative education models. I have read quite a bit about teh Finnish model and there is lots of learning there.
but I can't see how a rolling back on social finances (i.e. lower taxes) will enhance education systems.
this is obviously very very broad.
- tommyo0
Rick,
I feel like you're about to mount my leg.
Love,
Tommy- You have no solutions other than, reform it! fire the bastards! simple simon shit.DrBombay
- webcast this, pleasePonyBoy
- So I am following you around pointing it out. Its funny.DrBombay
- dont worry I am going home now, so you have at least 30 minutes...DrBombay
- :DDrBombay
- And your solution is gov + more money. I don't know why I feel compelled to respond to you. Is it love? Is it disdain? Who knows.tommyo
- No, I just feel that you want to strip everything away from these programs and not replace it with anything.DrBombay
- government can't help anyone and tommy is going to prove it to you.DrBombay
- lowimpakt0
" 20,000 people attended The Alamo Tea Party, btw. "
that's nothing.
about 250,000 rednecks protested in London a few years ago to try and stop a ban on fox-hunting...
:)
- there's always a crowd around the Alamo, it's a major tourist attraction. the first 911, so to speak...robotron3k
- tommyo0
Rick, while you criticize me for not having a 'solution' that you agree with, it hit me that you've offered nothing. Not an opinion. Not a solution. I'd love to hear your take. Let's hear it.
- you got to wait 30 minutes now. he's heading home :)lvl_13
- *taps pen
*looks at clock...
Man I gotta stop coming here.tommyo - *taps fingers, looks at watchTheBlueOne
- *kicks TBO from under the table
*shrugs and points at lvl_13tommyo - smoke while we wait?... anyone?PonyBoy
- go back a page and read about what I thought about health care. and you read it then and are being dishonest nowDrBombay
- ********0
My Simple Plan (in order):
1) Strengthen National Security
2) Empower capitalism in ALL markets (domestic and abroad) (w/ sensible regulations)
— include tax and other incentives to ALL US businesses, especially small to medium.medical, science, high-tech, food, farming, consumer, entertainment, EVERYTHING, EVERYONE.
3) Take care of our young and old
4) Take care of our veterans
5) Design and build an "all of the above" energy plan and system that leads us to a more sustainable future
6) Invest in our public education system
7) Invest in and help states maintain their/our national infrastructurePlease note, that it's not so much what's in this plan, but what is not. Get it?
Tha that, tha that, tha that's all, folks!!!
- ********0
DHS REPORT:
"Right-Wing Extremest Activity Could be on the Rise".Will someone please tell me what the fuck this says about what's going on in DC? Of course, the Administration is "so sorry" for the report they've issued. No shit. What a rookie mistake.
- ********0
In Other News:
CNBC to Dial Back Criticism of Obama- btw, the GetRefresh "Plan" in on the previous page.********
- btw, the GetRefresh "Plan" in on the previous page.
