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- kona7
The worst part about all this that I just can't get over.
I made a comment a few months ago that some good will come from Trump running for President. I said, it will bring all of the racism, sexism, and social injustices to light. Racists will come into the light and show themselves for who they are, and when the Democrats win we'll label them as such. I even jokingly said we'd mandate that they wear a scarlet "T" on their clothing to show their true colors.
Now, I'm scared to death WE'LL actually be the ones wearing the scarlet "T" on our clothing. T standing for Tolerance. We'll be the ones shunned and made fun of. It's fucking terrifying.
My son had his best friend over to play at the house yesterday. They're 7. His friend is black and was adopted by white parents. When his mother came over to the house to pick him up she acted a bit awkward and was strangely silent. After a few moments my wife made the comment that I got so hot on Facebook speaking down about Trump. She broke down in tears and said "thank God" and went on about how scared she's been. That just, can't, happen. What the fuck world do we live in. Seriously. I am at a fucking loss still having this fucking helmet as President.
- I'm with you bro,
its a sad state of affairsRamanisky2 - This is seriously me right now.
https://youtu.be/SGX…kona - Except, I don't live with my mom.kona
- LOLRamanisky2
- sad part for me is I'm in Atlanta & surrounded by many friends who are staunch Trump supporters. Frineds I've know since high-school.Ramanisky2
- Emotional invalid?********
- no, terrymonospaced
- Certainly sounds like it********
- no terry - that's you nappy man. what fucking moron responds to this post like that. you are no.1 dick on this site.fadein11
- To you, I'm not surprised.monospaced
- This post is so sad. I feel for you. It's like stepping back in time - all the struggles wasted. Feel your pain. Keep reminding yourself only half voted forfadein11
- I would call it compassion.
Something you would know nothing about. Don't you have a swastika party to get back to?kona - that shit.fadein11
- please read my comments in order to avoid confusion.fadein11
- Terry said he's not a racist because he lives in a liberal city, and he has family all over the world who met a black guy once, so don't worry********
- Why does Terry even visit this sitefadein11
- lol molderokona
- That's the problem with engaging in culture war in a multi-ethnic society.IRNlun6
- Labeling every Trump supporter a racist, masochist, xenophobic has many consequence. Millions of people who don't appreciate being mischaracterized.IRNlun6
- I don't blame people being scared becasue they believe that perception, but it's not grounded in reality.IRNlun6
- ^ it can be confusing when people vote for one - that may be the problem.fadein11
- Oh I see, Its our fault you're racist. We made you this way. cool brosofakingback
- We all know which Trump supporters we're talking about here IRNlun6. The very ones who gleefully lump every Muslim, Hispanic, Black... see where I'm going here?kona
- Those are the ones I'm afraid of. The ones who think a Trump presidency gives them the right to take back what's whitefully theirs.kona
- hey eat a dick sofa. you're a bigger bigot than anyone on here.IRNlun6
- IRN, no he's not. The fact is that there are a lot of really fucked up people that feel Trump gave them a platform to voice their racism and bigotry.monospaced
- ^ What mono said. How anyone can not see that is beyond me.kona
- I used to think Terry was just a sad troll. I was wrong. He's just a fuckwit.BusterBoy
- terry has major issues - at both ends.fadein11
- IRNlun6 fuck you motherfucker, you better hope to god I never meet you in person bitch.sofakingback
- kona, I know what types of racists you mean, and I don't defend them. I just find that they're an exception to the norm and not a national threat.IRNlun6
- unlike bigots like sofaking who constantly blames me or working class white people. don't think people are affected by that shit too? then fuck you too.IRNlun6
- Ha-ha, these crybabies and drama queens love thier circle jerk. your reason and logic are wasted on them IRN. Disagree with thier hysteria and you must be the w********
- -hite devil that represents thier own festering guilt and self loathing. Typical useless creative type liberal cucks, you people are redundant********
- *that is, your very existence is redundant********
- Hey nice word 'cuck' terry. Where'd you find that you fucken parrot?BusterBoy
- And it's one thing to disagree. Entirely another to be a fucking tool just for the sake of it. mkay?BusterBoy
- lol terry joins a fucking DESIGN website so he can hate on creatives, and basically everyone he hates ... what a dickmonospaced
- go cry over irrational fears********
- "mooooooom, why don't they like me??? I bought all the cool design stuff, but they still think I smell like pee, whhhhaaa"sofakingback
- What a little bitch. lolsofakingback
- if you don't like designers why don't you get off our dicks?? stop trying to be vindictive hoe. be gone.sofakingback
- I think it's great that the qbn in-crowd is upset with me, you guys are walking stereotypes********
- Lol, this fucking moron really said that he is terrified and scared to death of being shunned and made fun of. You guys are like scared children, without the gr********
- -oup backing you up your values and very identity get all shaken up to the point of hysteria and tears. Grow the fuck up libcucks, you are setting a shitty exam********
- -ple of how to be an adult for your little libcucks in training********
- I'm with you bro,
- Ramanisky21
saw this last night :(
- fadein112
What I am struggling to get my head around and am taking a lot of flak on Facebook for is my inability to swallow the idea that this was the Democrats fault.
That rigging the primaries and putting Hillary up rather than Bernie put Trump in power.
Now excuse me if I am wrong but this election proved the US is a v.strong democracy and that MSM do not have as much influence as we thought.
Around 50% of the voters ticked the box that said racist, bigotted, sexist, climate change denying moron.
What is certain is they were not voting against Obama / Clinton foreign policy - noone cal tell me a Trump voter wants less influence in the Middle East and don't tell me they know a better way of dealing with it.
50% of the voters voted for racism / sexism / a step backwards.
Whatever you want to say about them - democrats never stood for that.
Terrfiying now the dust has settled.
Am I making sense? Probably not.
- Dems lost because they put out a weak candidate. 50% did not vote for racism and sexism, that's ridiculous.IRNlun6
- I think that they don't even know what they voted for.********
- Most of them voted for change and ignored the rhetoric.monospaced
- okay so it's okay to vote for change if the candidates racist. hmmmm. strange value system.fadein11
- obviously I didnt mean they voted for lynbchings and segregated buses etc and nothing else lol - change for sure. but they voted for a racist candidate and thatfadein11
- was okay with them. Scary.fadein11
- you now have a president of your nation who said "grab them by the pussy" - it's surreal. Its horrific. It isnt going to help the US who were already strugglingfadein11
- The thing with ignoring the rhetoric is, can you really do that? Or do you get the whole hog, good and bad?mg33
- and were the butt of many jokes post Bush. Its like a joke, no offense. Just seeing him sat in that press conference with Obama. It's like satire.fadein11
- Have you considered that you might actually be wrong about him and his supporters being racist?IRNlun6
- Yep I have considered that and I hope it is true. I am not sitting here hoping Trump is a Nazi lol. Trust me I hope for the best. I hope he does well. Likefadein11
- everyone does. But the outlook isn't looking great.fadein11
- IRN, it's hard to deny that the racist white population voted for trump, but I do agree that it's wasn't a racist votemonospaced
- I'm 42 IRN. As long as I can remember Trump has been a pile of garbage. Satire. The butt of every joke and one the wrong end of every accusation and lawsuit.kona
- No, no I don't think after all that I'm wrong about him.kona
- and I bet none of you have read any of his books right?********
- Now swindling people out money = an artful deal is beyond me. Try this the next time you buy something....kona
- Say you sign the papers to buy a car for 40k. After everything is said and done you don't pay. Like, for months. When they threaten to take it from you...kona
- you say "I'm not that happy with the car so I'll only pay you 20k." And, because your legal team is bigger and you have more money you strong arm them intokona
- accepting 20k. That's not an artful deal. That's straight bullshit. Yeah, I read a couple of his books and they're bullshit.kona
- lol, Trump didn't write any booksmonospaced
- Actually I stand 100% by what I said the more I think about it. 50% of the voters voted for a climate change denier and a creationist. in the 21st century!fadein11
- It would be hilarious if it wasn't so serious.fadein11
- Semantics. Books written about him that he put his name on.kona
- Michael Moore was right, and he even named the exact four states that flipped. There are racists in that basket, but more than that they're just afraid...allthethings
- ...of the future, of "them," of losing their status. A huge chunk are from small towns where everybody looks like them. My friends and acquaintances who votedallthethings
- I don't want to see any racial attacks, but I'm skeptical of photos of spray painting or stories because that can be fake and used to keep pushing the idea.IRNlun6
- Trump aren't racists, per se, but I've had them say things to me that come close...and they don't like being judged for things that "everybody knows."allthethings
- I think there's plenty of blame to go around...and it's a fact that Dems made a bad choice. I worked hard to convince people that Bernie gave us a better shot,allthethings
- kona, he's had what 40+ years of business experience? he's not going around conning people becasue we have safe guards that protect consumers from fraud.IRNlun6
- but "Trump will kill him on "socialism!" Maybe so, I don't know. I know I get tired of Dems choosing someone more "electable" who loses.allthethings
- IRNlun6. Please type "Trump not paying" into a youtube search and see all the people he's stiffed over the years.kona
- mono you know what i meant. there is nothing in those just how he fucked every single person who he wanted, and if he was unable bought their businesses.********
- And, his 40+ years of business experience has yielded 4 bankruptcies. He'd be worth more had he just invested his $1 million dollar loan from his daddy.kona
- it's also likely there's instances of bad business decisions, or bad experience with contractors. no one has a spotless career.IRNlun6
- keep telling yourself that IRNfadein11
- DNC also had the media (CNN etc) prop up Trump, Carson and Cruz in the primaries to validate the "Pied Piper" candidates. It backfired.instrmntl
- I disagree that he has bad business experience, but I do think it's a fair argument so we'll see how it pans out.IRNlun6
- You can't argue that trump hasn't had awful business experience as if it was an opinion. LOLmonospaced
- ********3
watch this shit:
- there's a similar article on the intercept which bugs me. tech shouldn't make it "their responsibility" to control how people get news. freedom yo.colin_s
- it's more about the truth value of the content. how the became the exact opposite what they/we want.********
- and it works in some parts of it, but this election has proved that it can be abused.
and the entities we believed are for the clean information flow******** - can be used as a tool to gain power.********
- the more tech tries to 'control' the message, the stronger the alt-right will get.Gnash
- for example: https://techcrunch.c…********
- yup, twitter is already doing it. all it does is wake the beastGnash
- pinkfloyd0
A slim chance for Hillary
- As much as I'd like for that to happen it can't for the South would rise again and every asshole on FB right now talking shit about the Dems who are 'rioting'kona
- would make the current riots look like a kid's 6th birthday party in comparison. They'd straight up revolt even if by law the electoral college changed votes.kona
- vote early text "hillary" to 59925********
- lol omg get a life man********
- haha********
- it'll never happen. move on.dbloc
- ********-7
US flag in fire; Hillary Supporters Burn American Flag, Riot, Threaten to Kill Trump After Losing Election
http://en.institutomanquehue.org…- Did you care when people tweeted to kill Obama and/or Hillary? Hell, did you care when people threatened Hillary on this very site?kona
- You seriously make me want to puke.kona
- i know I cared.********
- Look back through American History. Republicans kill political figures they don't agree with. It isn't what We do.teh
- is this link safe to click or do you get a kickback from the wall of clickbait on it?fadein11
- omg.********
- ah as suspected - awash with clickbait.fadein11
- Republicans have never killed a political figure. From Lincoln, to JFK, RFK, MLK, Reagan shooting... all Dems or lefties.IRNlun6
- ... and I'm not a Republican.IRNlun6
- Lincoln wasn't killed by a leftist though. That was back when Democratic party represented the confederate South.yuekit
- Timothy McVeigh was a right winger. Largest domestic terrorist attack in U.S. history.yuekit
- mg335
Help me out here. Interested to know if I'm right or wrong or crazy with regard to my previous post about the people committing racially motivated acts of violence towards minorities.
I basically said "this is on you if you supported him. your support helped make this possible."
And understandably, some Trump supporters were pissed, tried to deflect to Clinton, or tried to place blame solely on the individuals who did the damage as if Trump's candidacy had nothing to do that.
I firmly believe that if Trump had been shut down in the primaries, we'd be seeing a whole lot less of this. I think his turning a blind eye to so much of the negativity, his encouraging it in many cases, and his inability to strongly speak out at how people were treating each other emboldened what's going on with some Trump supporters.
If any other primary candidate had won, I can't see this happening. Kasich, Rubio, Bush... I can't imagine those guys using language that inspired that behavior, and I can't imagine them standing idly by while a white nationalist movement reared it's ugly head.
Therefore, I think it's valid to say that even if you disagree with it, their support of him made it possible. Their inability to shun him during the primaries and put him out of the race for good allowed him to continue. And their vote is bringing him to power.
That feels like very simple logic, a very simple example of cause and effect.
Any thoughts on that?
- This seems ripe for Yurimon to actually contribute to and lay it all out for us in terms of logic, consequence, etc. I can't believe I'm saying that... ;)mg33
- You are 100% correct. I've been saying similar things and getting blasted for it. I used to hang with people who said and did things I didn't much care for.kona
- you said nothing wrong at all.fadein11
- I said nothing. I did nothing. I went a different direction and now years later those same guys are drilling me for saying what you are here.kona
- The comments like " I voted for the guy because I couldn't vote for Hillary" don't negate that their vote represented support, and made winning possible.mg33
- Absolutely mg33kona
- What's great though, is that even some of these people who are pissed at what I said can at least say, "i don't agree, but I still respect you, etc."mg33
- That's worth something, but it's like hitting myself in the head with a hammer trying to understand how intelligent people can't understand this.mg33
- I really want to talk to my mother in law who voted for Trump about this. His son in law is a muslim, his daughter has become a muslim, we live in Turkey,Beeswax
- we were making plans to move to the US in the future. They live in LA so maybe they don't see that racist stuff much but still, what was their reasoning?Beeswax
- we were making plans to move to the US in the future. They live in LA so maybe they don't see that racist stuff much but still, what was their reasoning?Beeswax
- "inspired that behavior" is where the truth is.********
- kona I'm in the same boat .. I'm surrounded by friends who are staunch Trump supporters and they're mindset past and especially present is very disheartening.Ramanisky2
- *his=herBeeswax
- Agree strongly. He destroyed norms of behavior that we wouldn't condone in our children. And his supporters love him for not being "politically correct."allthethings
- I'm Godfather to one's daughter .. we've all been friends since high-school and so now I feel stuck ...Ramanisky2
- Anybody else when hearing somebody yell "Kill Obama" like that guy in the front row of his acceptance speech, would say, "Hold on, that's not OK"allthethings
- Trump and his supporters think it's OK. They say he's a truth-teller. This is why I'm walking around in a nightmare that will never end.allthethings
- yep - so true. he heard it and said nothing.fadein11
- the only negative opinions I strongly disagree with about Trump and supporters are the racial angle. everything else is frankly free game and plausible.IRNlun6
- the racial one is dangerous because it's a label that shuts down any conversation and can quickly lead to violence.IRNlun6
- Then you must understand where that's coming from and why. You seem like an aware person. I know trump and many of his supporters aren't racist ...monospaced
- ... but I'd bet all white racist pricks voted for the guy. It's kinda their thing if you haven't noticed. They love this guy.monospaced
- The wall might not be racist, keeping out Muslims might even be argued as not racist, deporting illegals even, but racists think it is and voted accordingly.monospaced
- pinkfloyd0
Ok, so this area is a hassle to get around now:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/…
I feel bad for the local shops with the congested traffic.
- Divide and rule********
- This whole Trump fiasco is just so bizarre and everything that happens along with it.pinkfloyd
- hey its another occupy wallstreet movement. a good way to not work and feel like you are cool. probably all helped him get elected by sharing the racist stuff.********
- his largest supporters were his opponents always keeping the bad press trending********
- Divide and rule
- face_melter5
Guess I picked the correct week to start taking massive amounts of medical-grade heroin. Should make the next four years slip by.
- enjoy it ... once that wall is up you can kiss the H goodbye forevermonospaced
- _niko-3
Idiots, racists and bigots on both sides, America is a fucking tinder box.
excuse the infowars link
- https://www.youtube.…********
- infowars will rot your brainz********
- yeah seriously, ignore my infowars link and click sted's instead lol._niko
- don't want to drive any more traffic to those clowns._niko
- http://www.snopes.co…BusterBoy
- https://www.youtube.…
- ********0
A small part of X party generalizes a whole group of people by the actions of a few bad individuals and takes to referring too whole group as negative slurs.
Which party is X?
- bananacapn_ron
- led by Xfadein11
- 42Bluejam
- it's not a party without xFax_Benson
- now were talkin********
- Fax_Benson6
Here's my take, then I'm out for a while (apart from a few snide comments in the notes)
The real problem with Trump is that he's intellectually bankrupt. The reason he ran such a divisive campaign isn't because he's innately racist (although he is certainly a misogynist), it's because that's all he's got. He's dangerous because he doesn't know what he's doing and the only thing he can realistically deliver on is the domestic immigration issue, the same as UKIP etc.
That infowars Trump video montage. It's called 'this will get Trump elected' or something, and it worked. But it's a collection of cherry-picked clips from 40 years of public comments and there's not a single policy idea. It's just Trump repeating the problems back at you, with a wanky piano score to make it seem profound. How's he going to get these manufacturing jobs back? Undercut Chinese wages?Green tech?
I tentatively predicted a Trump win. Others here did so much more confidently. I think lots of people understood that the conditions were right for someone to harness the resentment. The system's corrupt. The working class have been disenfranchised. Mass immigration doesn't work for the hosts. The left is in crisis. Globalisation only works for those at the top. This isn't new. It isn't news. We know all this. Mainstream media has been talking about nothing else. Trump is the wrong man at the right time.
Let's shake up Washington and see what happens isn't a plan. As we've proved in the Middle East, getting rid of the dictator is the easy bit. It's what comes next that we tend to fuck up. Because we're obsessed with the other side being the problem, and that getting rid of it is an end in itself.
The opportunity to do something constructive was huge, but people decided to saddle up with with the first dickhead to ride into town.
Great minds should be lining up with Trump to set a new agenda. What an opportunity. Where are Trump's best people? Why are Trump and Farage the spokespeople for this incredible new movement? Why is it full of cunts? Where are the normal people? They're not interested because it's backwards bullshit.
- that Infor Wars video was pathetic. It was propagandist but there was nothing endearing about trump. He embodied everything he claimed to be against.lowimpakt
- he's always been a vacuous and untrustworthy assholelowimpakt
- maybe that's what America needs._niko
- Amen fax.fadein11
- Russia and China don't play by any rules, their power is on the rise. They don't give a fuck about anything. Not climate change, not weapon proliferation_niko
- he was quite a looker back before the hair problems, though. Bit of a black and white film star thing going on.Fax_Benson
- He should make the world black and white again.Fax_Benson
- and certainly not political correctness. Maybe the US is handcuffing itself by being too nice. Playing by rules that no-one else cares for._niko
- _niko that's not true. china pays more attention to green energy than any other country in the world. (keep in mind that they are more than a 1.3bn)********
- Don's all over the Russia issue.Fax_Benson
- and i'm saying this knowing that our largest client just invested a shitload of money in africa and australia to build solar farms.********
- good postBluejam
- I hear you but green energy is one thing, pollution is another._niko
- and in the local sector there is a simple basic rule: they don't want to pay for medical treatments because of air pollution.********
- This is a really great post Fax. Bravo man.kona
- It's interesting how democracy seems to be hastening rather than slowing the decline of the West. Trump and Brexit both self-inflicted wounds.yuekit
- pango0
Hesus fucking Christ!
Assaults on trump supporters , Hillary supporters, women and minority is happening all over the place.
- _niko0
it's the future we were promised!
I'd say at this point, we're probably not far off lol.
- ********0
Why are rural areas mostly republican? Is it because they are less educated and ignorant? Or is it because they need less government in their lives because they live in remote areas and don't utilize many aspects of society? Or is it both?
- They need government to channel the subsidies to rural areas throughlowimpakt
- Less educated in what way? a lot of them are farmers, salt of the earth type. none of us educated urbanites can do what they do. They like tradition._niko
- ultimately it's a different way of life.
They like a slower pace, clean air, fresh food, family values etc. Doesn't make them ignorant or lower than urbanites_niko - calling them out as redneck racist bigots for the last 12+ years... accusing them of 'clinging to their guns and religion' and dismissing them as ignorant...PonyBoy
- ... bible-thumpers anytime they shared an opinion that may have been faith-based probably didn't help much either... HIllary referred to them as deplorable...PonyBoy
- ... that's not exactly going to get middle america to jump up and vote democrat.PonyBoy
- Its common to be at Right when you're poor and/or less educated. Its the same everywhere.Bennn
- not true, there are plenty of on the left that are poor and/or less educated. They just happen to be in cities._niko
- ^one can argue it's common to be Left when you're poor / less educated... think inner-city welfare recipients that refuse to get off the gov. nipplePonyBoy
- I mean ignorant or less educated in foreign policy or the broad responsibilities of the president.********
- yeah even still, ask democrats in the inner cities and they're just as ignorant and less educated if not more so._niko
- 2nd one probably has somethingbto do with it. They see little in the way of services for their tax dollarsmonNom
- So they want smaller got, which the Republic tend to use as a platform. They're no smarter or dumber than anyone else thoughmonNom
- And you see a lot of unenlightened language from the left. Calling rural voters "Rednecks/whitetrash... is used to diminish and dehumanize that group.monNom
- "Deplorables" was the third word in that too-long string.monNom
- Ramanisky21
so Trump is considering
Steve Bannon for Chief of Staff
and Ben Carson for Secretary of Educationlet that sink in.
- Guy Fieri for Secretary of AgricultureBonSeff
- Vince McMahon as Secretary of Defense_niko
- lol @ niko********
- Michael Douglas should secretary of DEFENCE! http://i.dailymail.c…pango
- Is this a fucking joke?monospaced
- Michael Douglas?
you really asking?pango
- kona2
Middle school students in Detroit were caught on video chanting “Build the wall!” at a group of crying Latino students.
Let me repeat this part... Middle school students.
Gee, I can't imagine why people feel like the racists of this country have won. smh.
- nothing bad here kona.
I don't understand what you're trying to say.Ramanisky2 - boys will be boys right!? this is just cafeteria talk.kona
- lol .. cafeteria talkRamanisky2
- Yes Kona, you've probably never experienced that form of racism, people can be mean. But don't worry, us Latinos are very very tough. Believe.robotron3k
- nothing bad here kona.
- Maaku-1
- :-/Bennn
- Nice young black men putting up with this disgusting white racist trump supporter... I see nothing wrong here.PonyBoy
- http://www.snopes.co…kona
- "Further, the racial undertones of some of the posts surrounding the video raises the possibility that the incident is being exploited in order to further...kona
- enflame tensions on the heels of a charged and contentious election.kona
- kona... it's one white dude getting his ass handed to him... if it were a black man an all white guys providing the beat down there would be outrage...PonyBoy
- ... instead there's just racial deflection like the quote you just postedPonyBoy
- The rhetoric is Hillary supporters beat up a man for supporting Trump. It's a stretch seeing as how the video doesn't show how it started, and at no point doeskona
- anyone say anything FOR Hillary. At one point, a woman off camera asks "are you going to pay for my shit" eluding to a possible traffic accident thatkona
- yep... i agree with you... it's just (again)... if the races were reversed the story would go the other direction: racist white bigot trump supporters blah blahPonyBoy
- you know what. Fuck it. I'm not going to waste my time trying to have a conversation with you. You have an opinion and nothing will change it.kona
- but .. but kona, snopes is for dopes ..
I saw that on Facebook once or twice.Ramanisky2 - And YOU have an opinion, kona...ffs... you're allowed it...you want to be intellectual and discuss it or be an emotional baby and run away? (i see you running)PonyBoy
- other that the cunt yelling he voted for trump over and over again..._niko
- because he's white, he must be a racist and must have voted for trump and deserves the beatdown_niko
- I bet the guys doing the beating didn't even vote at all********
- I bet you're right moldydbloc
