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    Help me out here. Interested to know if I'm right or wrong or crazy with regard to my previous post about the people committing racially motivated acts of violence towards minorities.

    I basically said "this is on you if you supported him. your support helped make this possible."

    And understandably, some Trump supporters were pissed, tried to deflect to Clinton, or tried to place blame solely on the individuals who did the damage as if Trump's candidacy had nothing to do that.

    I firmly believe that if Trump had been shut down in the primaries, we'd be seeing a whole lot less of this. I think his turning a blind eye to so much of the negativity, his encouraging it in many cases, and his inability to strongly speak out at how people were treating each other emboldened what's going on with some Trump supporters.

    If any other primary candidate had won, I can't see this happening. Kasich, Rubio, Bush... I can't imagine those guys using language that inspired that behavior, and I can't imagine them standing idly by while a white nationalist movement reared it's ugly head.

    Therefore, I think it's valid to say that even if you disagree with it, their support of him made it possible. Their inability to shun him during the primaries and put him out of the race for good allowed him to continue. And their vote is bringing him to power.

    That feels like very simple logic, a very simple example of cause and effect.

    Any thoughts on that?

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    • This seems ripe for Yurimon to actually contribute to and lay it all out for us in terms of logic, consequence, etc. I can't believe I'm saying that... ;)mg33
    • You are 100% correct. I've been saying similar things and getting blasted for it. I used to hang with people who said and did things I didn't much care for.kona
    • you said nothing wrong at all.fadein11
    • I said nothing. I did nothing. I went a different direction and now years later those same guys are drilling me for saying what you are here.kona
    • The comments like " I voted for the guy because I couldn't vote for Hillary" don't negate that their vote represented support, and made winning possible.mg33
    • Absolutely mg33kona
    • What's great though, is that even some of these people who are pissed at what I said can at least say, "i don't agree, but I still respect you, etc."mg33
    • That's worth something, but it's like hitting myself in the head with a hammer trying to understand how intelligent people can't understand this.mg33
    • I really want to talk to my mother in law who voted for Trump about this. His son in law is a muslim, his daughter has become a muslim, we live in Turkey,Beeswax
    • we were making plans to move to the US in the future. They live in LA so maybe they don't see that racist stuff much but still, what was their reasoning?Beeswax
    • we were making plans to move to the US in the future. They live in LA so maybe they don't see that racist stuff much but still, what was their reasoning?Beeswax
    • "inspired that behavior" is where the truth is.
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    • kona I'm in the same boat .. I'm surrounded by friends who are staunch Trump supporters and they're mindset past and especially present is very disheartening.Ramanisky2
    • *his=herBeeswax
    • Agree strongly. He destroyed norms of behavior that we wouldn't condone in our children. And his supporters love him for not being "politically correct."allthethings
    • I'm Godfather to one's daughter .. we've all been friends since high-school and so now I feel stuck ...Ramanisky2
    • Anybody else when hearing somebody yell "Kill Obama" like that guy in the front row of his acceptance speech, would say, "Hold on, that's not OK"allthethings
    • Trump and his supporters think it's OK. They say he's a truth-teller. This is why I'm walking around in a nightmare that will never end.allthethings
    • yep - so true. he heard it and said nothing.fadein11
    • the only negative opinions I strongly disagree with about Trump and supporters are the racial angle. everything else is frankly free game and plausible.IRNlun6
    • the racial one is dangerous because it's a label that shuts down any conversation and can quickly lead to violence.IRNlun6
    • Then you must understand where that's coming from and why. You seem like an aware person. I know trump and many of his supporters aren't racist ...monospaced
    • ... but I'd bet all white racist pricks voted for the guy. It's kinda their thing if you haven't noticed. They love this guy.monospaced
    • The wall might not be racist, keeping out Muslims might even be argued as not racist, deporting illegals even, but racists think it is and voted accordingly.monospaced
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