Moses was High
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- CALLES0
if there is a good god why is there so much suffering specially to the ones that do not deserve it...
(calles tries to instigate... doesn't want his thread to die)
- Khurram0
The idea of responsibility is in your mind. You think there must be something or somebody solely responsible for all that happens. There is a contradiction between a multiple universe and a single cause. Either one or the other must be false. Or both. As I see it, it is all day-dreaming. There is no reality in ideas. The fact is that without you, neither the universe nor its cause could have come into being.
'I am' is an ever-present fact, while 'I am created' is an idea. Neither God nor the universe have come to tell you that they have created you. The mind obsessed by the idea of causality invents creation and then wonders 'who is the creator?' The mind itself is the creator. Even this is not quite true, for the created and its creator are one. The mind and the world are not separate. Do understand that what you think to be the world is your own mind.
All space and time are in the mind. Where will you locate a supramental world? There are many levels of the mind and each projects its own version, yet all are in the mind and created by the mind.
I know no sin, nor sinner. Your distinction and valuation do not bind me. Everybody behaves according to his nature. It cannot be helped, nor need it be regretted.
I know no bad people, I only know myself. I see no saints nor sinners, only living beings. I do not hand out grace. There is nothing I can give, or deny, which you do not have already in equal measure. Just be aware of your riches and make full use of them. As long as you imagine that you need my grace, you will be at my door begging for it.
- JesusChrist0
CALLES the answer is that I do not merely 'let' things happen. This world was created and you (humankind) were given purpose and freewill to do with what you please. Contrary to popular belief I do not have any control over tornados, floods and the like. 'Random acts of God' is a phrase that actually has virtually no merit.
There are things that happen tragically all over the world, and it is indeed very sad. What you choose to do with these tragedies is what makes you human though. Your ability to help those in need to come together as a community, and hopefully, to learn from tragedy and understand it and resolve/greive through it, and iltimately accept.
I do not condone suffering. I would hope that people soon would realize this.
- You're really desperate for some attention here aren't you?Khurram
- oh hell! my spelling is atrocious... oh well chalk it up to public schoolJesusChrist
- You should read your father's memoirs.Mimio
- harlequino0
^J.C. (can I call you J.C.?), question for you-
Heard you were a carpenter. Do you do shelves? You have a rate card? Thx.
- czawada0
1 <3 George.
- the new hbo special is excellent.mrdobolina
- george carlin is fucking great********
- yes, religion-phobe that sees it is gonna love it. He does well to stay on that bandwagon.teleos
- He does a good job of pointing out the obvious, you just don't like to hear it.********
- JesusChrist0
Harle, you may call me whatever you wish
got out of carpentry when I became Messiah. plus its hard to hold nails in my hand with these holes in my hands....
LOL, just a little Messiah humor
- Oh ho ho, you guys!
Elijah is a cut up too! LOLZ!harlequino - The jokes on you. The whole mess was made up by Ezra.Mimio
- You're just not cut out for carpentry anymore.Jnr_Madison
- delightful pun, JnrJesusChrist
- Oh ho ho, you guys!
- CALLES0
Jesus.... if my thread dies... will it go to heaven?
- well you could baptize it, but it would probably fry your computer...JesusChrist
- CALLES0
are you gone?
- detritus0
JesusChrist, are you booked in to his year's Fist-a-thon in Tulsa? I heard you've got some cool new moves, so I'm looking forward to see what's hot in the world of anal handplay.
- are you mad because the son of God wasn't ginger? I forgive youJesusChrist
- TheBlueOne0
So WAS Moses high or not?
- CALLES0
what about detrius... is he going to your kingdom? I heard about this place called hell... supposed to be filled with strippers additcs lawyers and other type of fun people which makes me think that i would probably fit in better... what do you say?
- LOL, nice try... I wouldn't want to give away the endingJesusChrist
- JesusChrist0
He had untreated syphilis and was rather demented.
this was the reference to 'the burning bush' in the bible.
- ********0
JesusChrist is a fake.
I am the true saviour, be gone you heathen.
- CALLES0
what about you... did you ever tried some whacky tobachy?
- Once, but I didn't inhale. Now Peter, oh my he is a serious chronic.********
- Once, but I didn't inhale. Now Peter, oh my he is a serious chronic.
- ********0
- gramme0
mikotondria2:
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"'There was a man, who wasnt a man - he was God (despite this contradicting all the previous definitions of a dubiously angry God), who came to earth to spread a message of peace and love'—He was fully God, and fully man. He was perfect in spirit and deed, and could have called down all the heavenly armies in a nanosecond, had he chosen to do so; instead, he chose to take on flesh, to see things through our eyes by living as we do – with sickness, suffering, poverty, hunger and rejection.
—God had always been loving, but he had always been just. The Old Testament law was to take an eye for an eye, and to offer up burnt offerings as sacrifice for sin; but when Jesus became incarnate on earth, when he lived a human life and died a human death, burnt offerings were no longer necessary; he became the once-and-for-all sacrifice for sin. This is possible only because of who he was/is: God himself. The reason the death of only one can save the many is because GOD died, not just some schmoe.
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...ok, fine with that so far, sounds good...."then - he was killed for generally pissing off TheMan, threatening the status quo of the authorities, and was nailed to a cross'...ok, good dramatic device - nice demonstration of sacrfice to a greater cause, Im on board...—He was killed because he claimed to be the Messiah. The Jews did not believe him. They were expecting someone to come in physical might and power, at the head of a heavenly army; a perfect sort of King David, if you will. This was based on a faulty reading of the metaphors delivered by their own prophets. They were directed, through Scripture, to execute anyone who made false claims to be the Messiah.
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"Then, he actually didnt die, but disappeared up into the sky.....(er...ok)....and because he did this, everyone in history, and in the future will be saved. From being punished."He did ACTUALLY die, in fact he descended to hell while on the cross. Hell can best be described as the complete and utter absence of God's presence: thus Jesus nearly last words of "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?". However, as has been written, he was raised back to life, appeared to some 500 people, and later ascended to heaven. The 'ascending' part was a display for the sake of the disciples; heaven is not literally in the sky, it's another physical dimension entirely.
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"If you take an abstract position about yourself, of believing 'in' him, then your mistakes will not damn you to an eternity in a fiery cave.". Come again ?—Simply believing that he is who he claimed to be is not enough – even the demons believe this, and shudder. One must come to terms with their own sinful nature and helpless estate. By helpless I mean that, being permanently imperfect, we can never be good enough to get into heaven. Thus, we need a stand-in, a person to vouch for us. No one but God has enough clout to do this. Further, God cannot be in the presence of sin; so he allowed his own Son, an equal part of the Trinity (father, son & spirit), to take the punishment for us, and to be an eternal intercessor on our behalf. In order for us to be considered innocent and thus able to enter heaven, we must acknowledge our need of salvation, and acknowledge that it comes only through Christ. The Bible is vague about the particulars of hell, such as what it will actually look like – but it is clear about the fact that it is a place of eternal suffering, not some temporary, finite punishment. Contrary to current Jewish belief, the Old Testament describes hell in this way as well – only they used the Hebrew term "sheol" instead of hell. Sheol basically means a pit of darkness and desolation, and is described as an eternal place (Job, a Jewish OT book, says "he who goes down to Sheol does not come up.")
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Believe IN him ? What does that mean ? Believe in his presence as a supernatural entity ? Believe what he said was wise and correct ? Believe the death/not death thing ? I'm sorry Im confused about all that...It just doesnt make any sense - it doesnt add anything to the notion of their being a perfect, omnipotent, loving creator - why would he complicate things by having to do this ?"—Believing in Him means, as I stated above, that one must believe Christ is the son of God, that he came to save us, that he was capable of saving us from ourselves and from damnation, that he died, descended to hell, was raised to life, and ascended to heaven. Further, this means that we are adopted children of God. Adam and Eve were his children too, but they broke faith with him and severed the bonds if kinship until the time of Christ. Those in Old Testament times only had the promises to look forward to, and a faith that saved them.
—The reason God had to go through all this was because we had become corrupt and could not/cannot save ourselves. He was not content, however, to leave it at that: he was determined to redeem us to him. You might then ask why did he allow evil to occur in the first place. I have no answer for this besides the nebulous answer that it all somehow contributes to his glory. Being a perfect entity, he must be glorified, as glory is an intrinsic trait of perfection.
I am simply glad that he chose to love me who was and is not worthy of love from a perfect God.
- gramme, you are a far more patient man than i.ender79
- anwser 2: "...a faulty reading...".
That's according to your believes.neverblink
- mrdobolina0
and then?
- gramme0
Because one God made everything, one God can die and save all of those he created. This was a hard concept for me to grasp for many years: the idea that one person could pay penance for the mistakes of everyone ever born. Again, this is only possible because Jesus is/was God in the flesh, meaning he was perfect but human at the same time – the only perfect human ever to exist.
