Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
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- Llyod0
the only reason the US stands by israel is because of american jewish money. a lot of israelis have dual citizenship as well. america overall gets pretty much nothing out of the relationship.
- ********0
as Kissinger put it "America does not have friends, it has interests".
laurus
(Sep 26 07, 13:50)that is a sad thing to say. or to admit.
- mrdobolina0
that could be said about any nation.
- ********0
i know. which makes it even more sad; like everyone's holding to their pack of cookies, showing their teeth.
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ok naïve minute is over.
- Jaline0
dobs is right too. but it's like EXTRA true with the U.S.
:)
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- mrdobolina0
Canada is the next world superpower. ;)
- tommyo0
here's a novel idea: The United States should not be Israel's fucking bodyguard in the world.
mrdobolina
(Sep 26 07, 06:23)This is idealistic. Thinking in 'should' is idealistic. So we shouldn't support them with weapon systems because why? See in the real world we support them because they're a gateway into the region.
- Jaline0
I hope not, dobs. Or else we'll be hated. That's life...
- mrdobolina0
here's a novel idea: The United States should not be Israel's fucking bodyguard in the world.
mrdobolina
(Sep 26 07, 06:23)This is idealistic. Thinking in 'should' is idealistic. So we shouldn't support them with weapon systems because why? See in the real world we support them because they're a gateway into the region.
tommyo
(Sep 26 07, 15:36)I would actually say supporting Israel in the current capacity is more idealistic than not supporting Israel.
Gateway into the region? Put away your stratego board.
- mrdobolina0
Thinking in 'should' is idealistic.
You seem to think the US "should" continue to support Israel in the current capacity.
So how are these two things different?
- tommyo0
The US is supporting Israel in the current capacity...that would be called reality, as in...it's really happening. The US is really supporting Israel...see how this statement is in fact reality?
Thinking that they should not support Israel because of your ideals is something that is not happening. But ideally you think it should be happening. This is called Idealism.
Reality vs Idealism
What is happening vs. What you think should be happening.
Look, I'm going to go ahead and get back to work. Us crazy redneck meathead realists understand that hard work and a sharp mind make you successful at what you do. Idealists sit on message boards complaining about how they've been wronged, what they would do different from successful people and who is to blame when things don't pan out for them.
- mrdobolina0
So, using your logic, everything that the US is doing right now is perfect and it "should" not change a thing at risk of being like me, idealistic.
you spend just as much time on this board as anyone else. I love how you pull that old bitch out when you run out of things to say.
Yer full of beans on every level, kid.
- tommyo0
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- mrdobolina0
copy
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Nice how you didn't respond to the other thing I said.
- tommyo0
Seriously? You expect me to respond to that? You know every time I dance with you about this shit I feel more dumb for even participating.
Here is your answer.
Of course not! I didn't say that I even agreed with us supporting Israel. But what I like and what is most likely necessary are two different things. A lot of what the US does is not okay with me. As of late I'd say that most of it I don't agree with wholeheartedly. A little idealism is a good thing. But you, and a lot of people like you, speak only in idealism. Can you take a step back and see that changing one thing you're not okay with, effects many things?
That last question was rhetorical, I've got lots of work to do before I plan on sleeping.
- mrdobolina0
I like you Tommy, I think you are funny but your apathy coupled with your being so adamant about your apathy bums me out.
- laurus0
Lloyd,
That type of claim is racism in disguise.
Let's say it's Jewish money. So what. Are Jewish Americans not Americans?
That always pisses me off. Jews own film studios, Jews own media companies, Jews have money. So fucking what – most of the wealth of this world is held by Christians and Muslims. The claims about the Jewish money are just anti-antisemitism in disguise. The Jews are 3% of the population in the US.
Muslims are 10% of the population in Britain and much more than that in France, yet you don't talk about the interest of those countries. As well you shouldn't. But when it comes to Jews, it's wrong that they have money, power or influence. That has always been the Antisemitic point of view. This is the point of view that caused the murder of 3 out of every 4 European Jews and confiscation of their "wealth" during WWII, leaving Europe practically clean of Jewish "influence".
The Jews are 0.2% of the world population. They hold very little power.
The Muslims are closer to 20% of the worlds population and hold 60% of the world's oil.
Even for things that Bin Laden admits and prides himself for doing, like 9/11, people are blaming the Jews, Israel and saying Jewish employees left the building before the attack (which if you bother to check the records, is bullshit, I lived in NYC at the time, I guess they forgot to send me the memo).
So, yes, there is some Jewish influence. Just like other groups have influence. Can you tell me what's wrong with that?
- ********0
The British did not encourage the Jews. As mentioned, my grandfather sat in a British prison for smuggling Jews out of Europe during WWII.
laurus
(Sep 26 07, 12:34)oh god, these things are interminable. this is why i dont post here anymore. ohright, thats it last thing.
"Balfour Declaration of 1917: An official letter from the British Foreign Office headed by Arthur Balfour, the UK's Foreign Secretary (from December 1916 to October 1919), to Lord Rothschild, who was seen as a representative of the Jewish people. The letter stated that the British government "view[ed] with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, "
- obsolete0
one thing I never understood about israel...
Why is it allound in the european song contest?
- laurus0
And the declaration was all they did. Because they wanted the Jews that were already there to help them drive the Turks who ruled what was them called Palestine/Southern Syria, out.
They sent ships with Jews that tried to get to Israel back and put some of them in prison camps in Cyprus.
So yes, there was an empty declaration. Big fucking deal. That's not exactly The British Empire backing up the Jews. Already a large population of Jews in Israel at the time. The only people this declaration helped is modern-day demagogues who want to present people who bought and owned lands for generations as colonialists backed by empires.
The only states the British helped form in actuality where Iraq, Egypt, the Emirates and Jordan (and with the help of France Syria and Lebanon). So are those not legitimate states?
Stop living in the past. It is the situation now that needs to be solved. Not 1848, 1925, 1948 or even 1967. Bringing up the past over and over is what prevents an actual solution from emerging. Be just with the people that are alive today, not the idiots that killed each other in the past.
The only solution that will produce anything is two countries for the two peoples.