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- k0na_an0k0
did you sign a contract, and did it mention anything about what the final deliverable was? if i can work it, i usually retain all rights to unused comps/directions. some of my clients are work-for-hire, by which i mean that they have the rights to all work period (and in these cases i tend to charge a higher fee). lesson to everyone to make sure that this is worked out prior to starting development.
subversve
(Dec 21 06, 08:25)In the contract it said I retain the rights to the source files. But in this case I don't ever want to touch this project again, so I'm giving the design shop the source files... NOT including my comps that were never used on the site. To me that's something totally different. And, how they asked for them... real shady to me. They want my work to use on some of their upcoming work and cut me out of the payment.
harlequino: I'll definitely do that. haha!
- harlequino0
If it comes down to a pissing match with the design shop, try to work an arm wrestling challenge in there somewhere.
- subversve0
did you sign a contract, and did it mention anything about what the final deliverable was? if i can work it, i usually retain all rights to unused comps/directions. some of my clients are work-for-hire, by which i mean that they have the rights to all work period (and in these cases i tend to charge a higher fee). lesson to everyone to make sure that this is worked out prior to starting development.
- k0na_an0k0
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!
- jamble0
Kona: "Remember, Sully, when I promised lots of free comps you could rip off later?"
Sully: "That's right, Matrix. You did!"
Kona: "I lied." (Sound of Sully falling a long way.)
- k0na_an0k0
i did this project for a flat fee. the fee was super good so i didn't charge for the comps.
normally, it's 3 comps, 1 round of revision to 1-2 comps. if needed, one more round of completely different comps but only 2.
this client was such a fuck they told me to go one direction, then, i didnt hear from them for 6 months. by that time they had hired a new salesguy who wanted something totally different.
3 more comps and he still wasn't happy. the dumb fuck pretty much wanted me to copy another site.
another comp using his specific input i said fuck-it and designed exactly what he wanted.
i even have the email saying basically if you get busted for 'borrowing' (as he put it) so much from your competitor, you're going down for it, not me.
anyways, the design shop i did the comps for wants all 7 of the unused one, cause they liked them so much. i know they're going to use them for future work.
no way.
they ain't getting them unless they want to pay for them.
you guys rock. thanks for your input.
- tkmeister0
helll no. i never do a per comp rate. it's so easy for the clients to screw me over on that. always hourly. even if i quote a project rate, i'd add if it exceed XX hours, then the hourly fee of $ XX will apply.
you can always say that you had an unfortunate accident of dead HD while backing up and the work is gone. no question asked.
- Beeachboy0
yes
- k0na_an0k0
yeah, they just want my work to recycle and use in their upcoming projects.
i'm not sending them. if they want them they can pay for them. :)
thanks again all!
- mpfree0
No doubt, get some sort of retainer. Money up front never hurts. Change your terms of payment if you can.
- _me_0
no
- harlequino0
Those are good ideas, but I wouldn't move a muscle until you have a check. If they really need them, they'll pay up.
Good luck cap'n!
- jamble0
It's just like being back at school ... I'm completely average.
- abba_cadaver0
You should do what everyone is saying a sell them the right to use those comps.
You should also start charging them more per comp.
- mpfree0
jamble's score so far
+1 - 1 = 0;P
- k0na_an0k0
Fantastic idea!
Thanks guys!
- Seff0
I'd sell them the comps but retain the rights to them. Say they're welcome to them but must licence them from you if they're going to be used in some sneaky fucker kind of way.
jamble
(Dec 21 06, 06:59)how are you going to sell em and not give any licence.. would you just sell them simply for the right to look at them?
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make no sense whatsoever
- jaylarson0
I'd sell them the comps but retain the rights to them. Say they're welcome to them but must licence them from you if they're going to be used in some sneaky fucker kind of way.
jamble
(Dec 21 06, 06:59)+1
- jamble0
I'd sell them the comps but retain the rights to them. Say they're welcome to them but must licence them from you if they're going to be used in some sneaky fucker kind of way.
- mpfree0
I'd say something along the lines of "wow, that took quite a while for you to make-up your mind, there's a small fee for waiting that long, it's 1,400 plus a penalty of 300. It's documented within the contract."
They'll never look.
;)