Stem Cells
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- jevad
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/ameri…
jfc - even specter and frist are down with it...for bush to veto it purely to satisfy the 'moral right' whoever the hell they are, would be absurd.
- spendogg0
Presidents never keep thier promises, when they do it is on the things that should be a no brainer.
- gabriel20
flagellum will post to this thread in 5...4...3...
- madirish0
enter Republican stage right.............
NOW!
- ********0
Bush is in a tough spot.
Nothing he does will be "right", in accordance with the vast majority of the public, against/for the slim minority of his religious zealots.
However, is he trying to set a record for, "How many moronic decisions can be made in one presidency?"
If he vetos this, I can't see this getting whisked under the carpet in less than 24 hours.
- ross0
just so you all know, I completely support stem cell research.
- mrdobolina0
just so you all know, I completely support stem cell research.
ross
(Jul 18 06, 10:34)and you are...
- flagellum0
Fact:
Adult stem cells have the same ability to change into every kind of cell, tissue, and organ in the body. Yes, you read that correctly: one of the main reasons embryonic stem cells are flaunted as the gold standard in research is their ability to change into every cell type. Yet, adult stem cells have the same capacity.
Do the research with adult stem cells and no life is lost.
Should be a no-brainer.
- version30
"Shit" - G. Bush
- monkeyshine0
no-brainer? not really.
Why not use adult stem cells instead of using human embryonic stem cells in research?
Human embryonic stem cells are thought to have much greater developmental potential than adult stem cells. This means that embryonic stem cells may be pluripotent—that is, able to give rise to cells found in all tissues of the embryo except for germ cells rather than being merely multipotent—restricted to specific subpopulations of cell types, as adult stem cells are thought to be.
- flagellum0
http://www.family.org/cforum/fos…
"As the embryo continues to grow and parts of the body start to emerge, the stem cells within each future organ become more specialized and are only capable of producing specific cells. Eventually, as a stem cell keeps dividing into two cells, at some point in development one or both of the daughter cells becomes ‘committed’ to a certain type of tissue and are incapable of further division. These committed daughter cells become the normal functioning cells of the heart, skin, brain, and other organs. These stem cells are multipotent. Adults still have multipotent stem cells in their bodies – we call these adult stem cells or non-embryonic stem cells.
In addition to the multipotent adult stem cells that are found in adult bodies, a growing number of studies have found pluripotent stem cells in adults. These flexible stem cells have the ability to specialize into every cell type of the body - just like embryonic stem cells. For more information on these exciting new studies, see What the Media Won't Tell You About Stem Cell Research."
Yes. no-brainer.
- CALLES0
"make it work!"
tim gunn
- monkeyshine0
My only point presenting the NIH link (which I have to say I trust a little more than family.org from a scientific perspective) is that its a complex, much debated issue in the scientific community...rather than a no-brainer.
- mrdobolina0
james dobson is a crackpot, that is the only real no-brainer.
- flagellum0
monkeyshine: My point would be that FOF has an entire staff of research physicians who eat, sleep and breathe these issues.
There is a reason it is a hot button topic. The research has shown that adults possess the same research potential that the unborn do. As far as I can tell, those who push for using the unborn do so because it would be more convenient.
This is an issue which will always be a hot divisive issue because it cuts to an individual's core world view. If I believe that humans are merely the result of chance interaction of chemicals, then I'm not going to have an ethical issue with experimenting on "fetal tissue". If, however, I believe humans were designed with a certain dignity and purpose, I'm going to think differently about the unborn.
- flagellum0
james dobson is a crackpot, that is the only real no-brainer.
mrdobolina
(Jul 18 06, 10:55)He's one of the most highly respected family psychotherapists there is. His books have been instrumental in transforming millions of families and marriages. Only someone who doesn't have a clue about healthy marriages and families would make such a statement.
And Dobson isn't the only person at FOF. He doesn't make all the decisions. That's why they have entire staffs of phD's.
- Seff0
nope, sorry
dude is a crack pot
- flagellum0
Of course. He's a conservative Christian.
Must be a crackpot.
- 5 to both of you for ad hominems.
- mrdobolina0
was watching colbert last night and a professor with no religious agenda asked if stephen colbert takes showers and colbert joked "yes, I have to exfoliate". This professor said that the skin cells you exfoliate are closer to embryonic stem cells than a baby is.
do you feel that hardcore about exfoliating your skin?
- mrdobolina0
james dobson said you should take a shower with your kids in order to show them what being a man is all about, that is entirely fucked up.
- flagellum0
mrdobolina: what are on about? If that's true, use adult skin cells and leave the unborn alone.