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- sem0
Amazing -
- ..GeorgesII
- honestly is that really what modern feminism amount to.. it's kinda saddening, inb4 nbGeorgesII
- god damn people are getting smmdumberyurimon
- ffsApeRobot
- I don't understand how you could not agree with the video's messages?sem
- what message?GeorgesII
- I'm with Georges on this one. It's quite sad. Where's the real message? It's actually annoying to watch.Ianbolton
- CyBrainX0
fem·i·nism
the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes.This thread is 16 years of almost all men falling over themselves to discredit this simple term.
- maybe because sexes are not equal? i'm pretty sure as a man i can't carry children... or a number of other things when she can't do some things i can.pr2
- This is a perfect example of what I was talking about. It's not about being the same. It's about equal rights. You're deflecting from equality to subvert it.CyBrainX
- @CyBrainX Always ask for the definition first. Yours i agree with. Certain hi-octane semipsychotic anarcha-feminists will have a different definition.jagara
- Certain ones, yes. but the generalizations seen in a thread this long, for so many years proves feminism has some work to do.CyBrainX
- Good thing you're here to do the work.jagara
- sex is biological. biology clearly shows we are NOT equal but different. so you might want to sharpen your definitions a bit more.pr2
- we can talk about philosophical definitions of everyone as humans, but then the argument has NOTHING to do with sex.pr2
- We’ve removed NSFW and chick of the day threads. That’s the most progress I’ve seen round hereIanbolton
- @pr2 it's about equal rights, not equal biology, obviously.jagara
- ^ So you're here to do as much work as I have.CyBrainX
- Yes. I can call myself a male feminist now. Hopefully it’ll get me laid.jagara
- i_monk0
Is feminism over? The last time I recall hearing anything about it as a movement or cause was the He For She talk five or six years ago, with Emma Watson. Now it seems I only hear about it in the context of trans rights, specifically in an anti-trans context (TERFs, Trans-Exclusionist Radical Feminists), from trans activists rather than feminists.
- Same here. Seems that if you don't fully buy into men somehow magically transmogrifying into fully-fledged women, you're some how anti-feministNairn
- I totally get where Rowling and Greer et al are coming from - i don't see them as being exclusionist, just somewhat realist and peeved by another domainNairn
- being hijacked by men. Or, 'ex-men' at least.Nairn
- I followed the Rowling thing (read her essay) but it seemed to have less to do with feminism than trans activism.i_monk
- That's a tar baby issue, frankly. Anything short of complete deference is considered a hate crime, so there's no room to discuss anything.i_monk
- Ironically, Radcliffe and Redmayne got more coverage for denouncing Rowling that Watson did.i_monk
- no, it's everywhere. and quotas are a very real thing.inteliboy
- Zealots hijack and ruin everything and end empowering the people they're most opposed to.Fax_Benson
- If feminism is now just about staffing quotas, maybe it is over.i_monk
- deadsperm0
A non-woman gets nominated for Women's Prize for Fiction
https://www.theguardian.com/book…
- If we aren't woke enough to not need a Women's Prize for Fiction we are not woke enough to not only nominate women.deadsperm
- zir will obviously refuse to accept the moneyGnash
- < How far does this go? Could the women's 100m at the olympics feature former men?Morning_star
- @Morning_star
Yes, this is not the case tho. "They" neither identify as F or M.
I see no problem in a self-identified woman competing in a women's competition.deadsperm - I do.Morning_star
- Futhermore, wouldn't a transwoman winning at the Olympics prove the point that men are superior to women in all aspects? You should be getting behind this.deadsperm
- To elaborate, there are certain male specific physical advantages that would make competing unfair and open to abuse.Morning_star
- I thought you were against equality of outcome.deadsperm
- .."I should be geeing behind this". Why?Morning_star
- If a born male is faster than a born female in a 100m race, shouldn't the born male be getting the medal?deadsperm
- - "I should be geeing behind this". Why?
I thought you were for equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome.deadsperm - Could you point out a real world example of your scenario? Because i'm sure the Female athletics community have a fit.Morning_star
- "Could you point out a real world example of your scenario?"
No, I'm just talking how I would hypothetically feel about the situation.deadsperm - To my knowledge there have been no trans people competing in the Olympics.
What are you talking about?deadsperm - You're the one that brought the 100m race into the conversation.deadsperm
- Just to make sure we're on the same page. You are saying that you would have no problem with former man competing in the Olympic 100m Women's final?Morning_star
- She's not a non-woman. And trans ex-men can't just compete in the olympics, dumbass. Look at Semenya - the world is having a fit because she has high...Projectile
- ...testosterone levels. Born a woman, no surgery or supplements etcProjectile
- I'm a dumbass, what do I know?
Congratulations, you've played yourself.deadsperm - @Morning_star
Yes, we're on the same page.deadsperm - Ok. If we take the paralympics as an example, in the interest of fairness the athletes are graded by the severity of and type of disability. This is so...Morning_star
- ...for example, you don't get a blind person competing against a quadriplegic. In the same way, the Olympics are categorised competitively by sex therefore if..Morning_star
- ...you are not part of the appropriate category it would be unfair to include them.Morning_star
- 1. I don't thinking women think of themselves as disabled.
2. We are parting from the premise that identifying as a woman makes you legally a woman.deadsperm - If a self-identified woman is better than born women in a category, doesn't that help prove the point that men are intrinsically better than women ...deadsperm
- ... for those that still believe that self-identfied women are men.
Isn't this a win-win situation?deadsperm - 1. Wasn't suggesting they did.Morning_star
- 2. To compete as a transgender woman in the Olympics you must have female level testosterone. Secondly, just because i say i'm a woman it doesn't make me one.Morning_star
- I guess that settles it then.deadsperm
- You seem to be labouring under the misogynist impression that males should be superior in everything.Morning_star
- I wasn't suggesting that men were better than women in the eyes of God. Only that men were faster, stronger & smarter than women.deadsperm
- In a competition on empathy I'm sure that women would win. We all know that men are built & wired different than women.deadsperm
- We shouldn't apologize for the cards we've been dealt. We didn't choose to be men or women, only trans people do that.deadsperm
- Males and females are identical in terms of intelligence.Morning_star
- From a personality perspective Males and Females are more the same than they are different. However, at the extremes we differ greatly.Morning_star
- perhaps it's time to get rid of all categories and restrictions, not just gender. no more weight class (as in boxing) no drug or tech use restrictions, etc.Gnash
- or go back to the source where everyone is oiled-up and naked.Gnash
- Weight distinction only applies to individual combat sports. Maybe the way of the future is a more peaceful collective society as you suggest.deadsperm
- I don't think people weren't more peaceful back then but they were probably more oiledGnash
- But then, I don't really follow sports.
I totally missed the world protests over Semenya winning in the Olympics.deadsperm - From my limited perspective, the problem is not having different categories for women and retards but expecting the same public interest as sports with men.deadsperm
- But we have gotten really off-topic by now.deadsperm
- chukkaphob2
- Im expecting to see this any day now in the locker room of my gymrobotron3k
- that’s because you’re an idiotmonospaced
- Gnash1
https://twitter.com/RobSchneider…
"I, Rob Schneider, will no longer take projects that do not pay women equally."
- sofas-1
"Men Sentenced To Longer Prison Terms Than Women For Same Crimes, Study Says"
- the length of sentences it inversely proportional to ones place on the totem pole of oppressionGnash
- Gynosympathy is the well-documented, yet poorly examined, tendency in human being to sympathize with females more than males, leading to the preferentialrobotron3k
- protection and appeasement of women.robotron3k
- aka, Gynocentrismrobotron3k
- this was covered in the documentary Red Pillmugwart
- Women are also less likely to commit he crimes and also less likely to commit them after being punished. It’s not complicated unless you hate women.monospaced
- good point mono, but it could also be made against the punishment gap, maybe men have higher recidivism also due to tougher punishments?sofas
- d0mino0
- https://www.sott.net…Gnash
- Lol @gnashcannonball1978
- I still need to watch thisset
- props to channel 4 for posting it unedited and with comments activeGnash
- despite this she's a v good journalist. would have been easy for her to pull it. And this annoying adversarial interview style is not unique to her.Fax_Benson
- + the current Peterson fanboydom IS getting a bit unhingedFax_Benson
- I've watched him on Rogan and he speaks a lot of rational, pretty undeniable sense to me...set
- This is just more light shone on how dirty and sneaky the MMS are. Not that I've watched it, but I've heard his take on it...set
- Specifically how they chatted in the green room first, very politely and happily, then on screen she was a totally different personset
- He's interesting and talks lots of sense but also seems to be dumbing down in order to ride the wave of alt-right hero-worship book sales.Fax_Benson
- My favourite quote of his -
'I've found a way to monetise social justice warriors'
lol.set - Fair play to himset
- i_monk1
Pussy Hats: The Confederate Flag for White Feminists
- Interesting that they trademarked it. Also, one of the replies says a woman of color created it, but I didn't find a backing to the claimsofas
- CIS women... "Your presence in this resistance is unbearable. Deplorable even."Gnash
- ^ cis 'white' women, actuallyGnash
- Just imagine her reaction if none of those horrible white women showed up.i_monk
- ^ +1Gnash
- Gnash0
- Black MJ popcorn gif.pango
- A 60 year old feminist starts a fight that she can't finish...carry on nothing to see here.utopian
- lol @pangomugwart
- I guarantee you there were zero fists. All hard back smacking and hair pulling.cannonball1978
- sofas1
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
"When looking at specific populations within the criminal justice system the growth rates are vastly different. In 1977, there were just slightly more than eleven thousand incarcerated women. By 2004, the number of women under state or federal prison had increased by 757 percent, to more than 111,000, and the percentage of women in prison has increased every year, at roughly double the rate of men, since 2000.[24] The rate of incarcerated women has expanded at about 4.6% annually between 1995 and 2005 with women now accounting for 7% of the population in state and federal prisons."
- Feminism can be anti-womensofas
- The justice system is giving out more "equal" prison time thanks to Feminism, but there still are too many criminal ladies walking the streetrobotron3k
- Good business for private prison regardless. More prisoner means more money for them. Yay?pango
- prodigalslacker2
just another label. anyone on the planet with a decent head on their shoulders would treat women equally.
- IRNlun60
Europe’s tragedy: Too much Angela Merkel, too little masculinity
- obviously written by Russians trying to say europeans are pussies. But I did think when all this happened "where the fuck were the German men during all of this_niko
- Never taken Germans for pussies. Possibility there was a lot of fights that night that just went unreported, or something the news isn't allowed to speak about.IRNlun6
- strangely the prominent feminist stayed quite as fuck on what happened in NYE, no twitter campaign, no facebook gang, only cricketsgeorgesIII
- "and strong men aren't exactly thick on the ground in Europe."
Umm, huh?set
- bklyndroobeki0
(Not) All Men
Why women want to believe Our Dudes are the exceptionhttps://medium.com/matter/not-al…
Any woman can spot an anonymous misogynist. A man might flick his tongue as we pass on the sidewalk, or sprawl all over a seat on the bus when we’re carrying three bags. He might jerk off in front of us or be that online dating match who sends an unsolicited cock shot. A man we’ve barely met might interrupt us on a panel, or offer litanies of their accomplishments without bothering to hear about ours. A man we see on TV might punch his fiancée in an elevator, or prey on underage girls, or repeatedly get accused of rape.
We’ve come to a point in the gender wars where certain repugnant male behavior is no longer up for debate among reasonable people. Republicans have taken up the mantle of domestic violence; Megyn Kelly will grill Donald Trump about sexist tweets on national television; spousal rape has gone from acceptable to illegal in all 50 states. Even the lesser offenses are universal enough that we now have terms for them — some that seem old-fashioned, like “catcalling”; others that have recently sprung from the internet like “manspreading” or “mansplaining.”
And yet one of the major obstacles in the Fight Against Patriarchy is that a sexist guy will always seem like an outsider — a bad-news ex-boyfriend, perhaps, but not your male feminist friend, your super chill brother, your gentle dad. Never the bros you know and love, never the “fair-minded guys who want women to succeed.” Never one of Our Guys.But realistically, mathematically, it doesn’t add up: We must know some of these dudes. It wasn’t always so easy for our supposed male allies to hide in plain sight; when radical feminists first burst on the scene at a New Left rally in Washington, DC, in 1969, progressive hippie men screamed at a women’s libber: “Take her off the stage and fuck her!” Paradoxically, now that such blatant sexist behaviors are in theory no longer tolerated, we convince ourselves that the specific men in our lives would never engage in them. It’s why the concept of date rape still provokes the deepest self-doubt in the most confident women: a playful peer, a friend, wouldn’t cross that line.
I felt a pang of this self-delusion the weekend Stoya tweeted that James Deen had raped her. I never quite drank the James-Deen-is-a-feminist Kool-Aid, but it had been comforting that he was a boy I recognized, someone who could’ve gone to my summer camp or Hebrew school. He, as Kitty Stryker wrote on Medium, “was supposed to be one of the good guys.” Shamefully, my first reaction to the tweets was to hope Stoya was lying. Because if James Deen is a rapist, what does that say about the guys he reminds us of?
When I witness sexists in action, I almost don’t think of them as humans. But that guy who demonstratively ogled me on the street the other day, the guy whose face I can’t even remember? He has friends and family living in a parallel universe where he’s a decent person. Thelma and Louise asked the truck driver pointing to his lap and waggling his tongue: “How’d you feel if someone did that to your sister, or your mother, or your wife?” Yet we never quite ask: “What if your sister, or your mother, or your wife knew you were a harassing piece of shit?”
This cognitive dissonance can be distilled into that little phrase, brilliant for its simplicity: Not All Men. The meme dates back to 1985 when Joanna Russ, in her feminist novel On Strike Against God, wryly repeated the bad-faith motto. It’s the echo of every man wishing to exempt himself from misogyny by pointing out that not all men — and especially not him — manspread, mansplain, manterrupt, catcall, harass, intimidate, hit, rape. But it’s also every woman hoping he’s right, hoping that the world she’s created doesn’t include such faceless creeps. Even Stoya said it took “months and months” to call her rape what it was. The internet fuses these two opposing forces in ugly ways, like when you see a guy friend liking pics of scantily clad teenage girls on Instagram, or when a man’s unhinged outrage over a polite romantic rejection occurs against the backdrop of family-friendly Facebook. But even those wake-up calls aren’t enough to convince us that those two worlds are, in fact, just part of one.
When we see or hear that our dudes have done some of these things, we make hideous excuses for them. In 1989, the idyllic town of Glen Ridge, New Jersey, protected its star athletes after they gang-raped a mentally handicapped girl in a basement. Similarly, in 2012, when several football players in Steubenville, Ohio were accused of sexual assault, a social media trail burnished behind them, much of the town fiercely defended their boys; the grandmother of one of the accused said he was just “at the wrong place at the wrong time.” Last month, news broke of an entire Missouri town that couldn’t fathom that their “good man” had sexually abused a girl more than 300 times over 13 years — even when he confessed. “Darren is one of the most admirable people I know,” wrote a friend of the convicted rapist, in a letter begging the court to go easy on him.
Well, that’s Middle America, the cosmopolitan among us might think. But I’ve made these excuses, too. In 2004, I was getting sloshed at a bar with a bawdy, outrageous girl I had just met. Eventually I found out she went to the same college as “Chris,” a guy I’ve known since forever. When I cheerily asked whether she knew him, she replied, fiercely, “He raped my friend.” She told me “everyone knows to stay away from him.” She told me he was a “shitty person.”
It was a needle-off-the-record moment, the impact of which has obscured my memory of exactly how I replied. I must have acted defensively; I know I didn’t ask for any details. I still see Chris—whom I remember as a kind-hearted kid with a beatific and liberal mother—once or twice a year, at which point I desperately try and fail to erase that decade-old memory. His every remark about girls or sex or parties seem loaded with meaning. The last time Chris and I chilled, he was drunker than I’d ever seen him. When he put a hand on my back for a split second, it gave me shivers.
I’ve engaged in endless rationalizing, denial, excuses that teeter dangerously on the side of victim-blaming: “Maybe she’s exaggerating,” or “Maybe they were both too drunk to remember,” or “Maybe that chick I met at the bar is just crazy, or mistaken, or a pathological liar.” That “gray rape” concept I once rolled my eyes at? This must be the one true case of it. Still, even now, I refuse to believe it’s true. I would rather die than ask him about it.
We’re all gripped by a constant negotiation and cycle of forgiveness with the people in our lives. A gay man will wave off a whiff of homophobia from his sister because he knows “she’s not like that.” A woman of color will ignore racially off-kilter comments from her white friends because she knows where their hearts are. Any of us who’s stayed close with less-than-perfect people has needed to reach for some form of denial and focused on the reasons why we love them. Forgiveness is a virtue, right?
It’s painful to think about what we’re burying, but the alternative is equally undesirable. It would mean seeing every human as an insignificant speck of a larger problem rather than balls of contradiction and messiness. It would mean not trusting anyone. And it would require giving up on a staggering number of people, especially Our Dudes.
But maybe we don’t have to choose. Maybe we can confront the misogynists we love head-on, precisely because we love them. We owe it to the men in our lives to call them out; we owe it to other women who shatter our compartmentalized views of guys we think we know. At the very least, we owe it to ourselves to admit that no man is immune to patriarchy. In his devastating profile of R. Kelly, wherein he asks how we can bump to the grooves of an alleged serial statutory rapist, David Marchese employs a quote from F. Scott Fitzgerald: “The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at once.” The most evolved state of all is loving our dudes and hating their faults. We just have to stay woke while we do it.
- Sprawling on a bus seat is not misogyny, unless it's also racist and homophobic.i_monk
- Agreed. She may've been making a point to say that if you see a woman w/ heavy bags and they've got room... seems more of a courtesy thing than anything else.bklyndroobeki
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people need to stop raising their daughters to have a victim complex. this microagression bullburd-turglar - shit is laughable. bunch of whiney overprivileged white girls searching for things to feel oppressed over. note how apologetic she is the whole time. dying forburd-turglar
- somebody to give her a pat on the head and tell her what a socially conscious ally she is to all those trodden apon minorities. fucking lemmingsburd-turglar
- also, i feel wicked objectified by the phallic meat links they used to spell out men. triggered like a mother fucker out here brobroburd-turglar
- You lost me at (Not) All MenBusterBoy
- good ptbklyndroobeki
- drgs0
This pseudo-quote summarizes the entire philosophy of feminism:
"In a patriarchal society all heterosexual intercourse is
rape because women, as a group, are not strong enough to
give meaningful consent."
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ca…As you know, in the US sex with children (<18 yo) is considered rape, regardless of the opinions of the victim ("statutory rape"), because children have no legal right to give consent to sex.
In other words, children are all recognized as deranged, walking pieces of meat, and their opinions about sex have zero weight for the judicial system.A similar position is held by feminists towards women: all sex is rape, because women (as a group) have no political power to refuse or accept. Pretty humiliating position for women to be in, but a goldmine for political manipulation, like that story with that NASA scientist and his shirt
- Yes, that sums up feminism perfectly.
</thread>isleptwithsirenstonight - This pseudo-quote summarizes the entire philosophy of drgsFax_Benson
- This thread summarizes the entire philosophy of QBN though.isleptwithsirenstonight
- so you decided to misinterpret a misattributed quote to confirm your existing opinion.lowimpakt
- #logical #fallacies #footinmoufisleptwithsirenstonight
- There is no "philosophy" of feminism. It's actually broken up into a few "waves" of variants, some more ridic/strict than others.i_monk
- Feminism is a faction of reptoids trying to upset the natural order of life. #feministfactsisleptwithsirenstonight
- Yes, that sums up feminism perfectly.
