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- CyBrainX0
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the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes.This thread is 16 years of almost all men falling over themselves to discredit this simple term.
- maybe because sexes are not equal? i'm pretty sure as a man i can't carry children... or a number of other things when she can't do some things i can.pr2
- This is a perfect example of what I was talking about. It's not about being the same. It's about equal rights. You're deflecting from equality to subvert it.CyBrainX
- @CyBrainX Always ask for the definition first. Yours i agree with. Certain hi-octane semipsychotic anarcha-feminists will have a different definition.jagara
- Certain ones, yes. but the generalizations seen in a thread this long, for so many years proves feminism has some work to do.CyBrainX
- Good thing you're here to do the work.jagara
- sex is biological. biology clearly shows we are NOT equal but different. so you might want to sharpen your definitions a bit more.pr2
- we can talk about philosophical definitions of everyone as humans, but then the argument has NOTHING to do with sex.pr2
- We’ve removed NSFW and chick of the day threads. That’s the most progress I’ve seen round hereIanbolton
- @pr2 it's about equal rights, not equal biology, obviously.jagara
- ^ So you're here to do as much work as I have.CyBrainX
- Yes. I can call myself a male feminist now. Hopefully it’ll get me laid.jagara
- Ianbolton0
not many posts in here for a good few years. Does that mean it's sorted and the patriarchy has been demolished?
Apparently not, now Peterson is back doing his thug-life shit.
https://medium.com/the-no%C3%B6s…
- Nairn5
When I was a kid growing up abroad, a bunch of us used to go to a friend's house for lunch on schooldays. My friend was into medicine (he's now very successful in that domain) and there was a TV show that was basically entirely-uncensored surgeries.
It was brutal. No holds barred. From heart surgery to brain surgery to what the fuck ever.
They even showed sex-change operations.
Here we are, 15 year olds watching genital mutilation at lunchtime whilst muching sandwiches and playing computer games. Wouldn't happen in Blighty. Well, pre-internet, I suppose.
This is mid-early 90s. I'm sure things have improved, but I'm also sure they're nowhere near the sci-fi ideal of perfect gender transition.
It's clumsy sewing and brutal re-use of ... bits.
I'm sorry, I can't possibly begin to re-route my brain to accomodate a few transgenders who demand the rights of full femininity, because it's just fucking not.
I'll respect you for who and what you are, but you're not a woman. Sorry. You're not.
- Xze says, to no one, into the void.
spermslainingNairn - TERF's? In my QBN? Whodathunkit.face_melter
- There was a Trans/Terf grafitti war in the toilets here. I had to look up what a 'terf' is. I found it strange that such a term was required.Nairn
- I'm at work.
I don't have a grafitti war in my toilet at home. yet.Nairn - Don't google colon vaginoplasty smelli_monk
- FYI I was eating earlier when I scrolled down and read that, so thanks for that. I didn't need to Google - my mind fleshed out the horror all on its own.Nairn
- Xze says, to no one, into the void.
- _niko0
This whole what is a woman debate(?!) got me thinking of Ancient Athens when Plato was giving a speech on the definition of man and came to the conclusion and was applauded for declaring a man as a featherless biped, so Diogenes the Cynic “plucked the feathers from a cock, brought it to Plato’s school, and said,
‘Behold! A man.’ ”
- i_monk-3
- Gnash0
Individuals with a cervix are now recommended to start cervical cancers screening at 25 and continue through age 65, with HPV testing every five years as the preferred method of testing, according to a new guideline released by the American Cancer Society
https://mobile.twitter.com/CNN/s…
Lol. cnn now calling women, "individuals with a cervix"
Not a cult.
- fuckng hell. I'm sure I saw this exact-same phrasing elsewhere a week or two ago, possibly somewhere here in Blighty.Nairn
- Been watching this explode on twitter.i_monk
- What I don't get is all these righteous wimmin defending males who want to own and dominate their dialogue, it's ... weird.Nairn
- "Trans rights are men's rights" if you follow the right hashtagsi_monk
- I try not to follow any of this as it's even more depressing than C19 - yet here I am all the same with my opinions, male that I am.Nairn
- it's not 'male' nairn, i think you can use something like, sperm-emitter, or prostrate possessonatorGnash
- haha, excellent - *steal* - I've added that to my profile.Nairn
- can't get cervical cancer without a cervixmonospaced
- and there are obviously women without cervixes, so it's not really complicatedmonospaced
- What if I identify as having a cervix?Chimp
- What if I identify as a cervix?Nairn
- Hmm, that would make me a cunt, so not far off base.Nairn
- @chimp, then get your cervical screening and let a doctor deal with itmonospaced
- To be fair to CNN, they are just quoting exactly what the original article says
https://acsjournals.…yuekit - @mono, so why not just say 'women with a cervix' -- even less 'complicated' derpGnash
- I read this as an attempt to include trans-men with cervixes rather than not exclude trans-women without cervixes.
Wrap your head around that one!deadsperm - @Gnash, I don't know, I don't even care. It's really not my business, but a cervix is a cervix, and it can get cancer.monospaced
- The phrase 'Cervix Charges' popped into mind and now I can't help but think how many I've had over the years.
Not as many as Trump.Nairn - Transmen get 'cervixes' made from penile tissue, so do you call it cervical cancer or penile cancer? Trick Q: If you call it penile cancer you're a transphobe.i_monk
- (er, typo, transwomen get that surgery)i_monk
- https://twitter.com/… Half of women don't know what a cervix is, so this language excludes women toi_monk
- affirm a handful of peoplei_monk
- ^ oh dear, lolGnash
- i_monk-2
^ I've started lurking on Twitter and it's amazing the shit JK Rowling gets for *liking* the wrong tweet or tweeterer re: transgenderism, while Ricky Gervais likes exactly the same sort of message and the trans defenders clam up. There's an unavoidable misogynistic angle to cancel culture for sure.
- I think there's a type of quite precious person who possibly holds Rowling in a particularly special place compared to Gervais.Nairn
- It's about context. JK Rowling has been recently getting attention for speaking out on transgender issues.
Live your truth though.deadsperm - Yeah, we know - that's presumably why i_monk's specifically mentioning her nowNairn
- So we agree it's not misogyny in this case?deadsperm
- If you've followed it you'll see it all kicked off with her liking a certain tweet.i_monk
- Fax_Benson1
This was quite good on cancel culture, by someone currently getting it in the neck. Don't know if this is the right thread.
- Gnash-3
- Admittedly, doesn't look like a KarenNairn
- Who better than men to drown out feminist voices - are men just better at being women?Gnash
- The Fair Play For Women logo there minds me of an old-style razor blade, for some reason.Nairn
- ^ totally! Don’t remember the brandGnash
- Looks more like a Kathy than a Karen.i_monk
- Can't argue with this logic. Also, i identify as a Saudi Prince, now where's my yacht?_niko
- #notallmenGnash
- What would Borat do?BustySaintClaire
- Dammit Karen!BK
- i_monk0
Is feminism over? The last time I recall hearing anything about it as a movement or cause was the He For She talk five or six years ago, with Emma Watson. Now it seems I only hear about it in the context of trans rights, specifically in an anti-trans context (TERFs, Trans-Exclusionist Radical Feminists), from trans activists rather than feminists.
- Same here. Seems that if you don't fully buy into men somehow magically transmogrifying into fully-fledged women, you're some how anti-feministNairn
- I totally get where Rowling and Greer et al are coming from - i don't see them as being exclusionist, just somewhat realist and peeved by another domainNairn
- being hijacked by men. Or, 'ex-men' at least.Nairn
- I followed the Rowling thing (read her essay) but it seemed to have less to do with feminism than trans activism.i_monk
- That's a tar baby issue, frankly. Anything short of complete deference is considered a hate crime, so there's no room to discuss anything.i_monk
- Ironically, Radcliffe and Redmayne got more coverage for denouncing Rowling that Watson did.i_monk
- no, it's everywhere. and quotas are a very real thing.inteliboy
- Zealots hijack and ruin everything and end empowering the people they're most opposed to.Fax_Benson
- If feminism is now just about staffing quotas, maybe it is over.i_monk
- Gnash2
oops...
When Google conducted a study recently to determine whether the company was underpaying women and members of minority groups, it found, to the surprise of just about everyone, that men were paid less money than women for doing similar work.
- -1
You hate women.
:PPonyBoy - headline isn't really reflective of the rest of the article, which is about inaccessibility to appropriate pay grades for women. Interesting though.Fax_Benson
- Google do seem to be making a pig's ear of it. Maybe because of all the hysteria on either sideFax_Benson
- pay grades have been a mess at every place i've worked that had them. They were never allocated based on skill but on how badly the company wanted the new hireGnash
- Scarcity is also a factor. My place is paying ridiculous amounts for devs.
Competence and experience aren't the deciding factors these days.Morning_star
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- drgs1
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- deadsperm0
A non-woman gets nominated for Women's Prize for Fiction
https://www.theguardian.com/book…
- If we aren't woke enough to not need a Women's Prize for Fiction we are not woke enough to not only nominate women.deadsperm
- zir will obviously refuse to accept the moneyGnash
- < How far does this go? Could the women's 100m at the olympics feature former men?Morning_star
- @Morning_star
Yes, this is not the case tho. "They" neither identify as F or M.
I see no problem in a self-identified woman competing in a women's competition.deadsperm - I do.Morning_star
- Futhermore, wouldn't a transwoman winning at the Olympics prove the point that men are superior to women in all aspects? You should be getting behind this.deadsperm
- To elaborate, there are certain male specific physical advantages that would make competing unfair and open to abuse.Morning_star
- I thought you were against equality of outcome.deadsperm
- .."I should be geeing behind this". Why?Morning_star
- If a born male is faster than a born female in a 100m race, shouldn't the born male be getting the medal?deadsperm
- - "I should be geeing behind this". Why?
I thought you were for equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome.deadsperm - Could you point out a real world example of your scenario? Because i'm sure the Female athletics community have a fit.Morning_star
- "Could you point out a real world example of your scenario?"
No, I'm just talking how I would hypothetically feel about the situation.deadsperm - To my knowledge there have been no trans people competing in the Olympics.
What are you talking about?deadsperm - You're the one that brought the 100m race into the conversation.deadsperm
- Just to make sure we're on the same page. You are saying that you would have no problem with former man competing in the Olympic 100m Women's final?Morning_star
- She's not a non-woman. And trans ex-men can't just compete in the olympics, dumbass. Look at Semenya - the world is having a fit because she has high...Projectile
- ...testosterone levels. Born a woman, no surgery or supplements etcProjectile
- I'm a dumbass, what do I know?
Congratulations, you've played yourself.deadsperm - @Morning_star
Yes, we're on the same page.deadsperm - Ok. If we take the paralympics as an example, in the interest of fairness the athletes are graded by the severity of and type of disability. This is so...Morning_star
- ...for example, you don't get a blind person competing against a quadriplegic. In the same way, the Olympics are categorised competitively by sex therefore if..Morning_star
- ...you are not part of the appropriate category it would be unfair to include them.Morning_star
- 1. I don't thinking women think of themselves as disabled.
2. We are parting from the premise that identifying as a woman makes you legally a woman.deadsperm - If a self-identified woman is better than born women in a category, doesn't that help prove the point that men are intrinsically better than women ...deadsperm
- ... for those that still believe that self-identfied women are men.
Isn't this a win-win situation?deadsperm - 1. Wasn't suggesting they did.Morning_star
- 2. To compete as a transgender woman in the Olympics you must have female level testosterone. Secondly, just because i say i'm a woman it doesn't make me one.Morning_star
- I guess that settles it then.deadsperm
- You seem to be labouring under the misogynist impression that males should be superior in everything.Morning_star
- I wasn't suggesting that men were better than women in the eyes of God. Only that men were faster, stronger & smarter than women.deadsperm
- In a competition on empathy I'm sure that women would win. We all know that men are built & wired different than women.deadsperm
- We shouldn't apologize for the cards we've been dealt. We didn't choose to be men or women, only trans people do that.deadsperm
- Males and females are identical in terms of intelligence.Morning_star
- From a personality perspective Males and Females are more the same than they are different. However, at the extremes we differ greatly.Morning_star
- perhaps it's time to get rid of all categories and restrictions, not just gender. no more weight class (as in boxing) no drug or tech use restrictions, etc.Gnash
- or go back to the source where everyone is oiled-up and naked.Gnash
- Weight distinction only applies to individual combat sports. Maybe the way of the future is a more peaceful collective society as you suggest.deadsperm
- I don't think people weren't more peaceful back then but they were probably more oiledGnash
- But then, I don't really follow sports.
I totally missed the world protests over Semenya winning in the Olympics.deadsperm - From my limited perspective, the problem is not having different categories for women and retards but expecting the same public interest as sports with men.deadsperm
- But we have gotten really off-topic by now.deadsperm
- imbecile1
Considering the topic of equality and feminism and sexism and real men and whatever opinions make you feel like you're useful to the "cause"; why is it that body positivity only seems to relate to overweight women? even skinny models still get hate because it's "unhealthy", since when is a soft 200+ healthy?
So many articles and ads promoting loving a woman's body for whatever it is, but these same organizations have no problem counting down the 20 hottest actors abs or best football butts.
Nowhere in this conversation is there a place for guys before they hit the gym. Make money, be tall and fit and maybe a woman will look at you. Can you believe the audacity of a man saying he is not attracted to someone who is obese? What a judgmental prick, right?
That lack of acceptance and equality makes the fat is beautiful movement a joke. Dove's real beauty campaign only included and was directed at women? how is that not sexist? it's sure not feminist.
I may be writing with "caudacity", but I don't really care, the entire premise is stupid, demanding that people be accepting, fuck off with that shit.
- The focus on women to appear healthy is evolutionary. In modern times, what passes as ‘Healthy’ is defined by women and female focussed media.Morning_star
- because "feminism" is sold to people who can be targeted as needing "feminism"cannonball1978
