Hillman's Carson Interview.
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- peiter
Im not here to step on any toes but good lord. If you havent done so please check out the hillman/carson video.
I am not a big carson fan to begin with...I take that back, Carson was an interesting postmodern spark in the ninties.
Well as i watched the video i began to lose myself in Hillman's interpretation. His methods of editing and sound make the designer seem so interesting. I especially love Miltons...but where was I.
Yes to the final scene where carson makes reference to there not being anyone since him.?.
Hmmmm.
I bet I am taking this to heart and easy to hate because, well he is Carson.
Anyone else pick up on this besides me?
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i like carson
i think he is a good marketing and good designer.i would like to hear what is the neg side of his work is for friendly debate
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is hillman curtis still alive and swithing his first and surname?
- |oo|0
"...I take that back, Carson was an interesting postmodern spark in the ninties. "
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Don't hate, appreciate. He surely made a mark, and really, wouldn't it be better to hate on all the knockoffs of his work, that's really what's at the core here.
- peiter0
Ah,
Im just one of those donkeys that has devoted themselves to the mosters of modernism. I studied under one, I read them...I look at the universal principles of design and think wow, that is sexy.
I remember carson gave a one man show at my school. Everything appeared to be rushed and showed a complete lack of thought. I was not impressed but respected him as a designer for what he had accomplished.
Then he had to speak about his work where he pronounced that all the work had been done in under an hour, and the only way to break rules is to not know them...and after a few drinks made a reference to there never being a designer like him in the future.
Since then no matter what his work I see it being done by an individual that snuck upon the design scene, knows he did so, and gloats about it.
Plus he got drunk and hit on all the chicks. haha.Thats about it.
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indeed
i think like many other designers has made a mark with his style. i like how he puts things to perspective in terms of being self indulgent. most of us like many other follow what is new and trend out there. yet there are these guy who believe in their work that they set a style of their own.
it is true that there is some truth in to what he says about the next coming. i would say YWFT has set a pretty good set but yet they didnt make that significant impact in the print arena. imo.
maybe it was the advent of the web where things got more diverse. but i could see the swiss minimalistic design as the movement that has been post Carson but i dont see one person leading it. i see a multitude of people leading this.
as we know it, now it is the hand drawn style that has become some what more mainstream in this design world.
whats next? i am not talented enough to know or start a styel
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peiter
i am not sure if i agree with u on lack of thought. i think as designers, we tend to make pretty things with out thinking at times. its just comes to you.
As Paula Scher in HC film has demonstrated that in her initial sketch of Citi bank logo.i love HC films. his editing and music is good. and i love how he portraies them. very inspiring
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peiter
dont get me wrong, i am a big fan of organization and structure. so called creating chaos with grid. i remember back when i was inspired by his work, i tried the style but coudlnt do it (still cant) cause i want to strucutre things.
yes it does seem as though his work is very unorganized and misplace. but i think thats where his strength is. some how this unorganized style broke away from the norm at times.
the free styling of hand drawn is "in" at this time, but structured design will alway have a place no matter what.
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now i am talking to my self again on friday nite
- Kevin_Sweeney0
True, but I don't think Carson or Scher has the right to brag in such a way that they make themselves out to be superior. Just because they're in the high society of design doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to humble themselves and say "I just got lucky - that's all".
As far as there not being a new "design trend" leader since him, I would say bullshit. If you just wanted to stay in the print arena, I think Stefan Sagmeister has made a largely significant impact on the late 90s/early 00s.
You could also say that Hillman himself or Josh Davis could fit the role of that designer. Both have made significant achievements in the field of new media.
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there there dinky you've had some hard times lately.
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agreed kevin, so many inspirational ones out there. if you want to talk designers with a style, he is one of many.
- peiter0
gosh friday night talk alongs are super rad.
im just happy i dont have to work tomorrow and can design all night long.
anywho...
come on, its not really about his dissorganized approach...its really about the status he is recognized at...Paula, Milton, great designers because they have no style...just like bruce lee. its the best technique. they are great designers because their target market has become every paying consumer. Milton has some bad design, Paula too, but all in all they are bad ass because that bad design appealled to someone. it was created for a reason.
Carson reacted to something yet his style and reaction was limited to southern california surf culture. thats about it. and he marketed himself well.
hahhaha...seriously this is how i imagine him back in the 90s..."hmm, i think i want to make a magazine, and thats a program to make stuff, and i dont know how to do it." its as if someone sneezed..and some snooty designer saw it and said art...and the rest is history....nothing more than topic for us to discuss on rockin friday nights.
- Solid0
I've noticed that whenever Carson's name comes up here on NT people tend to get caught up with the type of person he is.
"He's a drunk"
"He hits on all the chicks"
"He's arrogant"
"He should be more humble" ...Do you want to talk about the work, or do you want to talk about the man?
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kevin S
yes that is true. Steg has set a trend in a some sort. but i still think that he was one of the for fron of the disorganization trend. we all follow trend i think. maybe not by heart by just our envronment.
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kevin S
yes that is true. Steg has set a trend in a some sort. but i still think that he was one of the for fron of the disorganization trend. we all follow trend i think. maybe not by heart by just our envronment.
- Kevin_Sweeney0
though i do find it ironic that we're mentioning sagmeister and style in the same context, yet his motto is style=fart haha. oh well, whatever pays the bills at the end of the day i guess.
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i acutally see Paula and Milton having styles
Paula is great and most well known for Citi and setting the style for NYC in some sort with her posters.
yeap very true. marketing is very key in this industry. just like NoPattern (chuck) who is a good marketer.
as for the egoistic eliitst view. i think it happens in every path of life. and i think everyone has that ego or some sort. alot of are shameful or less confident about showing work at times.
i think ego can be healthy as long as u are willing at least listen to crit. but telling someone with extensive experience that they know nothing is very typical of young designers (i am not saying any one of you are, its cause its the trend in every designer, my self used to be one until someone great told me i sucked).
one of the most tame and nicest designer out there, let me rephrase, GREAT young talent is Sam Dallyn http://www.samdallyn.co.uk but even he has some what of a good dose of ego.
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kevin s
hah that is ironic. he does have a style in my opinion yet he doesnt see it that way.
i always say, "design and forget" leave the bad client driven work behind, if you cant convince the client to take a chance
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there i am talking to my self again
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on that note
i am still a big fan of information design.
i think alot of designers are doing design for beauty. to me design is about displaying information in a interpertive manner. and i think information design foundation is very critical