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- _niko5
probably been posted a bunch of times but how can a sane and logical person argue against this?
- I had the same reflection about religions.
I can not believe that in 2017 people are still so much into "religions".ApeRobot - People find comfort in communities that share the same values and experience. Picking apart a religion from a materialist perspective is missing the point....Morning_star
- ..I've grown to appreciate Sam Harris and his podcasts and books however his arguments often fail to embrace the positive experiences those with faith have.Morning_star
- Those community values and comforts can be had without organized religion too.monospaced
- Yep. Your point?Morning_star
- Quite. And yours?detritus
- OK. Dissecting a fundamentally flawed system of faith from a moral and materialist perspective is largely pointless. We can all sit here and pat Sam on the...Morning_star
- ..on the back at how articulate and logical he is. The fact of the matter is, is that his opponents wont ever change because their systems of faith aren'tMorning_star
- ...logical. They have value to the faithful that cannot be quantified in material terms. It's just Atheist porn, and not the good stuff ;)Morning_star
- One of my biggest regrets for my country is that the CoE became a toothless outlet for clappy crappy sub-evangelists and doddering pensioner hold outs.detritus
- ..because I agree with your faith in the peripheral social benefits, for which atheism and blunt humanism have no replacement for.detritus
- That said, I find it weird when otherwise agnostic Americans (for eg.) go to their local church for the social aspects.. that just doesn't compute for me.detritus
- There's a few QBners over the years who I know aren't religious who go along, basically to keep familial and local social peace, as far as I can tell.detritus
- saying that atheists have no "replacement for peripheral social benefits" is pretty narrow minded ... religion has absolutely monopoly on sense of communitymonospaced
- absolutely *no* monopolymonospaced
- It's like any tribe, membership affords certain privileges.Morning_star
- @ mono - who's claiming that?Morning_star
- I did. Show me where there's a replacement that compels the non-religious to a higher calling than their immediate selves, mono. Please, show me. Nationalism?detritus
- There isn't one and we probably won't have a well-enough educated society for one to naturally form for whole generations.detritus
- You get the same sense of love, community and a sense of belonging with friends, sports teams (both playing and following) bands, military, movies and tv shows_niko
- You find comfort and comroderie with like minded people sharing the same interests and passions._niko
- what _niko said ... take away all the belief in higher powers, and you still have humans, love, kinship, community, and all the good things that come with itmonospaced
- there doesn't have to be an official doctrine replacement with a label, like religion, it's just how people are naturally before they're told to follow a bookmonospaced
- I just find it offensive whenever someone questions an atheist about morality or kinship or happiness, as if they can't possibly have any without religionmonospaced
- I love you all. I think this is a good discussion. Cheers and happy monday.monospaced
- @detritus, simple answer is love and humanity ... I don't need anyone telling me to be nice to others, and the idea that anyone WOULD scares the fuck out of memonospaced
- I partly agree with you Mono. I think all humans have the potential to be positive contributors to society. However there is nothing that compels them...Morning_star
- I'm more thinking about how to address the root causes of 'the tragedy of the commons' to compel the greater unwashed to act outwith their own self-interest.detritus
- because as much as I know that thoughtful, considered atheists can act that way, my experience is that many people are lazy, hateful cretins.detritus
- ...God(s), as a higher authority, used to inhabit this position. What compels the atheist to act charitably?Morning_star
- How can society itself compel people who don't feel part of it? I believe, sadly, that there will be need for a 'higher influence' for a long time yet.detritus
- or, let's say 'higher structure'.detritus
- in the world's history of experience, there's no religious group that can claim they aren't also made up of some seriously hateful cretins as wellmonospaced
- The idea that you think that religion is the primary compulsion to be thoughtful, positive contributors to society is so naive, so shortsighted, it's offensive.monospaced
- I'm not trying to be mean here, but by that logic, there's no reason for a religious person to be nice to someone that they don't share the same beliefs as.monospaced
- And we know that isn't true.monospaced
- I'm not being absolutist here, I'm thinking of the bottom 80%. My position allows you to be a good-natured atheist, mono. No need to spack out.detritus
- And I'd wager that the majority of ardent religionists around the world DO indeed favour their own before those of competing belief systems.detritus
- btw, my position here was in regards to the loss of the CoE which was/is about as agnostic a religion as one could get...detritus
- Sorry, I just realised that I'm tripping over M_S's posts.. along much the same lines, amusingly...detritus
- @mono. I don't think anyone is denying the myriad problems that Religions have. Is the atheist perspective of right and wrong entirely arbitrary?Morning_star
- "There will come a time when people will not tolerate sound teaching. They will collect teachers who say what they want to hear because they are self-centered."pablo28
- Atheism is just about the (non)existence of god, it doesn't say anything about right and wrong. But there is plenty of room for philosophy of life beyond that.yuekit
- yes, exactlymonospaced
- "What compels the atheist to act charitably?"
you're kidding, rightscarabin - Religious people do more for the poor, 3rd world countries, and the needy than any anti religious dirt back.Hayoth
- It's always liberals disguised as totalitarian communists who bash people who believe something different.Hayoth
- @scarabin. Yes and no. It's an interesting question. Look at it from the experience of Russia. A country that has rejected God under Communism. There is a...Morning_star
- ...generation that has been brought up in absence of god and this is reflected in society and it's seemingly self centred focus. ..Morning_star
- The point being, this is an example of an Atheist ethic influencing society for a whole generation and the results don't look too good.Morning_star
- Weak point, mostly assumption. Russia is barely 13% atheist, and their economic social situation could never be attributed to one factor, like faith, alone.monospaced
- it's not the 'atheist ethic' per se, rather the lack of a replacement for the Deifically-obliged social structures encouraged by religions.detritus
- Japan has close to 40% convinced atheist population. Just sayin'monospaced
- But a significantly more homogenised and culturally-formed population. I have Calvinist belief bases, to a degree - doesn't mean I'm a religionode.detritus
- I had the same reflection about religions.
- sonnde-5
wherever the Word found historical events capable of adaptation to these mystic truths, He made use of them, but concealed the deeper sense from the many; but where in setting forth the sequences of things spiritual there was no actual event related for the sake of the more mystic meaning, Scripture interweaves the imaginative with the historical, sometimes introducing what is utterly impossible, sometimes what is possible but never occurred ... And not only did the Spirit thus deal with the Scriptures before the coming of Christ, but, inasmuch as He is the same Spirit, and proceedeth from the One God, He has done the same with the Gospels and the writings of the Apostles; for not even they are purely historical, incidents which never occurred being interwoven in the “corporeal” sense ...
- Wut.i_monk
- Your missing quotes and this is needlessly pedanticeryx
- < Next time, think for yourself. Copy and pasting incoherent old Greek fuckers is senseless.Morning_star
- Tldr; "the 'spirit' is a lying cunt"scarabin
- http://68.media.tumb…ApeRobot
- mommy issuessonnde
- Maaku3
- https://www.youtube.…plash
- Meh, pessimistic view.********
- pessimistic because its all true!hotroddy
- people who believe in faith are generally happy and optimistic. in a way I envy them.hotroddy
- people who don't believe in supernatural monsters controlling the afterlife and watching you masturbate are also generally happy and optimisticmonospaced
- ^ cause whom wants to wank alone?mugwart
- sonnde-2
Sacred Worship
“A fundamental difference in the concept of worship is important to note: In the Temples of the old ways people would go to the temple TO BE WORSHIPPED not to worship. Women would go to the temple to serve the Goddess to embody Her, to represent Her, to be worshipped as Her. Women would spend a day, or a week, or a year serving at the Temple as a priestess, as a sacred Prostitute, as a whore in service to the Goddess. There they would be worshipped as the incarnation of the Goddess, as The Goddess Herself. Men would come to Her Temple TO BE WORSHIPPED. Men would be welcomed and served by the Priestesses and men would represent the divine male principal, the Horned One, the Sacred Bull, The God. Men would come to the temple to give their love and passion to The Goddess, and would receive the passion, love, and affection of The Goddess.”
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The word God
...comes from the ancient Indo-Europeon languages and originally it meant vagina. So God was originally a female deity and only became a male later on. (The word “man” was also feminine in ancient Indo-European languages, and only came used for the male sex later on.) Even in North Indian today “Khod,” (God) means Vulva; Female Organ of Regeneration, Creation and Eternal Beginning. So the secret name of God would be the Great Mother or Great Architect as the Freemasons call her, in coded form.- and your point is...?scarabin
- "A fundamental difference in the concept of worship is important to note"sonnde
- why, exactly? give us an actual stance instead of just pasting shit and running awayscarabin
- the thread is called religion man wtfsonnde
- just wanna hear what you have to say, that's allscarabin
- we are all naturally offered the idea to transmute the lower self to the higher, those that don't are simply "losers" ... some way they'll come "to" eventuallysonnde
- but w these quotes, ideally, the only true (highest) religion is that postive + negative - connection, electric & magnetic. plugging in to her.sonnde
- <Absolute horse shit. 'god' has its origins in Sanskrit: 'one to whom sacrifices are made'. In Urdhu: 'Khod' means dig, push, stab. Are you Deepak Chopra?Morning_star
- says 'lucifer' lol ... you should reverse starsonnde
- here's your vagina god with here:
http://oohlo.com/wp-…_niko - nevermind, go back to just pasting shitscarabin
- "nevermind" lolsonnde
- scarabin1
FEEL THE LORD, BITCH!
- face down, ass up for jesusscarabin
- TAKE THAT! BABY!!pango
- I Need A Bath.moogchild
- One for the money
Two for the show
Three to get ready
Here's your baby, go!Bluejam - wait till you see the cuttingsonnde
- cutting?monospaced
- orthodox don't cut.Gnash
- weird that the diaper is still on.Gnash
- they all cutsonnde
- orthodox dont.Gnash
- all (includes that too)sonnde
- okay, you talking cutting cheese or gefilte fish here? Just be clear, orthodox xians don't mutilate genitaliaGnash
- ... the sacrifices but, really I just recognized who posted and was a bit ashamed for posting ... but at least mine was a joke - this doesn't bother me at all.sonnde
- ah, true that, then. so hard to discern intent on the interwebs without using stupid emojis :)Gnash
- you think thats normal? i thought the cave man club thing was something ... to each his own, one Renaissance is enough.sonnde
- is blood sacrifice normal? I guess, in that it's normally found in most cultural histories.Gnash
- no, the chaotic drowning thats going on. this jest was in reference to the brutal methods. on the blood sacrifice thing, depends on "how"sonnde
- sonnde-5
All the known languages of the world, excepting the Hebrew only, owe their origin to human construction and art; but the Hebrew had the Lord for its author and framer, and is thence called the ‘holy tongue,’ as it proceeded from that consummate Wisdom, which is infinite; each word in itself contains the profoundest mysteries... . for which reason R. Simeon Ben Jochai says in the ‘Zohar,’ ‘Woe to him who imagines that the Law only contains the superficial structure of its narration... .’ ‘and he, who supposes it has no soul comprised within its veiled mysteries, has no portion in the world to come.’ ‘Its body only,’ he continues, ‘the ignorant enjoy, but sages, who are the gifted servants of the Sublime and Most High King, look to its soul as its superior portion, and others still more learned to the soul of that soul... .’
- so god only shared his language after countless millennia and thousands of other languages had already come, gone and flourished, with one tribe in the desert?monospaced
- how does that work if those people couldn't speak it or understand it already? we're there free classes? when did this happen exactly?monospaced
- ever heard of the renaissance or dark ages ... someone was teachin and someone was learnin ... meanin some were uncivilized.sonnde
- no, God did not give the word to them in the dark ages, which ancient Hebrew predates by thousands of years... my questions still standmonospaced
- hey Sonnde, Firstly, there are several 'Dark Ages'. Secondly they were limited geographically. At the time, the rest of the world was more than civilised.Morning_star
- exactlymonospaced
- to accept this is to ignore the whole of etymology that lead up to it, which is, conveniently, well documented as the source of hebrewmonospaced
- fucking lolscarabin
- yawnsonnde
- exactlyscarabin
- I suppose having his bullshit so easily refuted by common knowledge is tiring?monospaced
- son's posts aren't about knowledge, they're about copy and pasting other people to sound dramatic and mysteriousscarabin
- says the dung beetle, deep shit!sonnde
- whoa, nice comeback. where'd you copy that from?scarabin
- your mindsonnde
- hahaha, he's in your head!monospaced
- or am i in his ... lets see, search his posts and see if i say something, now look at mine and see who is there each time, even sends linkedin requests *creepsonnde
- okay, guy who thinks linkedin mass emailing everyone i've ever talked to when i sign up is personalscarabin
- it happens all the time, i make sure i don't send my enemies anything, just preference, i said that w that in mindsonnde
- welcome to the internet, you're only ten years behindscarabin
- not really, i make sure my enemies never hear from me, but hey, we're different. some of us use our exemption, some 'follow'sonnde
- some 'copy'.Morning_star
- enemies, really? seems a bit melodramaticGnash
- whats the opposite of a friend?sonnde
- stranger, perhaps? Enemy, suggests more passion than is being exhibited. to me, anyway.Gnash
- Well, you're obviously very optimistic, bet that life works out well for you ...sonnde
- sometimes, yes. but not predictably.Gnash
- lol calling strangers enemiesmonospaced
- Strangers that stalk my posts, oh yeah, they're concerned about my well being, sure they are. They are just passers by ... no harm at all eh?!sonnde
- tell us more!moldero
- oh, you got to the book of zohar :) you must be deep in the "chosen people" shit.renderedred
- ever heard of aramaic? the language hebrew is actually based on among other languages spoke in the region by diff tribes at the time?renderedred
- take a look at the phooenician alphabet. they used to hang to the north at the time ;)renderedred
- *phoenicianrenderedred
- That's what I was saying rendered. It's so easily refuted by schoolchild level facts!monospaced
- Exactly.renderedred
- what do you guys think about akkadian / babylonian scripts? sumer. btw i mentioned punic in that 'dumb' thread ask gnashsonnde
- *science threadsonnde
- i like all scripts throughout history. they're fun. and yeah, your troll level is significant. respect.renderedred
- What about them? They're just scripts. Nothing mystic about any of it.monospaced
- rhetorical.sonnde
- utopian3
- yupmoldero
- Amen. Oh wait.fyoucher1
- indoctrination, the earlier it starts the more successful it is.renderedred
- children are always brainwashed by something.They come to world as a blank slate & environment, parents, governments, school system washes it with anything.Beeswax
- not particularly by religion. many atheists have atheist parents. Brainwashed!!!! OMGBeeswax
- sonnde-5
In tribal societies it is the initiation rite that most effectively solves this problem. The ritual takes the novice back to the deepest level of original mother-child identity or ego-Self identity, thus forcing him to experience a symbolic death. In other words, his identity is temporarily dismembered o r dissolved in the collective unconscious. From this state he is then ceremonially rescued by the rite of the new birth. This is the first act of true consolidation of the ego with the larger group, expressed as totem, clan, or tribe, or all three combined.
- what exactly is "this problem" that this "solves?"monospaced
- The problem of forming bonds, kinship and community? Yeah I can see that.monospaced
- Just deciding what is more ridiculous, your posts or the fact that anyone bothers responding to them.fadein11
- it's the posts. we are by nature criticalscarabin
- i understand, next time in your opening prayer you'll think of me and this quote.sonnde
- @ Sonnde. Do you have any thoughts of your own you could share? Copy and pasting other peoples efforts out of context is just a bit shit.Morning_star
- Hey Rats, Can You Scroll Up Where The Dung Beetle Asked The Same Thing. Thanks And STFU!sonnde
- I thought artists had something interesting to say. I'm very disappointed.Morning_star
- Fortunately for our relationship, I was bored by your photography so we're even.sonnde
- Sonnde, it comes as no great shock that an artist with an inability to communicate in his own words would proffer such an insipid critique.Morning_star
- Just remember, you're contacting ME, not the other way around. Point is, GET A FUCKING LIFE!sonnde
- you contacted us by posting. we're responding. that's how discussion worksscarabin
- this ain't tumblr, brahscarabin
- you contacted "us" ... sure, its me talking to you, i send you invites, i ask what you mean, so i'm not responding to you at all ... i get itsonnde
- ahh well, you all make me feel so special how much you have to say something about every little thing I do ... lol - enjoy!sonnde
- Well, this isn't something you had to say, this is something you copied from somewhere, devoid of all personal insight.monospaced
- riiiight ... it has nothing to do w me, don't associate me w it, its just there, the messenger doesn't existsonnde
- "devoid of all personal insight" remember that each and every time you copy-paste something.sted
- you all really think you're saying something, would love to see you dance, your sync would appear as though you have rhythm. you sure do 'avoid' the point(s)sonnde
- complete gibberishmonospaced
- Fuck yousonnde
- lolscarabin
- lolmonospaced
- I think this is Jungsonnde
- Google not working for you?monospaced
- If you knew how to use it you would knowsonnde
- why did we let this ignorant racist back after so many have been put to pasture?imbecile
- only a prejudice pale would say that, btw i'm not blacksonnde
- Morning_star0
Well, i'll be a monkeys uncle.
The number of Americans who believe in the Creationist interpretation of human history is falling.
- chukkaphob0
So what's the concensus in 2017? Whose God is the best? What religion's God is winning in proving better than the others?
- I think Allah's right up there. He's persuading his followers to to some pretty noteworthy stuff, and the world can't seem to stop talking about him.Morning_star
- that's funnymonospaced
- The rest of the Abrahamic religions haven't really turned up this year.Morning_star
- ok, then what dumbass god is taking credit for the trump debacle? im guessing that is allah too.monospaced
- Nah man. Minerva's claimed that one.Morning_star
- awesome question should be on quora
whichever followers can bomb the shit out of the otherssted - The Godless Chinese and Japanese and S.Koreans seem to be light years ahead of everyone, while the west kill one another over the imaginary jewish god._niko
- 50% of china is atheist or "believes" in agnosticism lol. ever heard the story of Tibet? :)sted
- @mono: I reckon the Russian Orthodox god is taking all the credit for Trump.Continuity
- None of this is about God. Its about politics.
Every side are reacting to what the other side did. The media/government just play this card to ...mugwart - create a divide. An 'us' vs 'them' mindestmugwart
- Also the Japanese and Asian countries have a profound sense of 'god' its just in a different - "all around us and in us" mindset.mugwart
- @mugwart, there are quite literally hundreds of thousands of trump-supporting fucktards who would disagree with you wholeheartedlymonospaced
- sad, but truemonospaced
- Goro wins. Fatality.maquito
- John 13:34: "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another."pablo28
- ^ This after realising, 'Well, fuck me. I've been a cunt to these people until now, and they've turned cunty, too. Could there be a causal relationship, here?'Continuity
- if you only love one another or do anything because a god commands you and do it out of fear of reprisal, then you're doing it for the wrong reasons._niko
- so? no winner yet?chukkaphob
- Nope. None. Frankly, I'd put my money on the Greek, Roman and Norse gods, before betting on any of the three abrahamic horses.Continuity
- and what aboout converting people to one's religion? or getting rid of such infidels? anyone winning on that front?chukkaphob
- sonnde-7
- Beeswax-7
Why do especially Christians think that Allah is a different than what they call God.
Sounds pretty ignorant guys.
Allah (/ˈælə, ˈɑːlə, əlˈlɑː/;[1][2] Arabic: الله, translit. Allāh, pronounced [ɑɫ'ɫɑh] ( listen)) is the Arabic word for God in Abrahamic religions. In the English language, the word traditionally refers to God in Islam.[3][4][5] The word is thought to be derived by contraction from al-ilāh, which means "the god", and is related to El and Elohim, the Hebrew words for God.[6][7]
so there's no "my God is bigger than your God" among these 3 religions since they refer to the same entity.
And "God "is actually the German name for it.- this is common knowledge. and really old too, i.e. 'Ring Parable' in Nathan der Weise (18th c.)
https://en.wikipedia…uan - allah is one (undivisible)
http://s47.radikal.r…
christian god exists in 3 personsdrgs - Also, all those religions are based on the same book. Same story, different interpretations.ApeRobot
- A book that turned into a weapon of mass control.ApeRobot
- Instead of making people free.ApeRobot
- ...witch was the original plan.ApeRobot
- ...probably.ApeRobot
- Same god. Different prophets. Everlasting war.monospaced
- There's roughly 2000 years between the emergence of Judaism and Islam.Morning_star
- Well you have to be a bit of a stupid cunt to believe any of it in the first place, so you can't then assume they'd have rational & intelligent thoughts about i********
- ^^^ This.section_014
- shit timing on this postIRNlun6
- "God" has been perverted so many ways, the title you give it/him/her is mostly irrelevant (to those of us on the other side)formed
- I find it funny that Muslims hate the Jews yet they worship a Jewish god._niko
- It's more about the prophets as the source of hate. It's so childish.monospaced
- "God" term has been hijacked and used to profit a select few.
When people argue about god they are arguing about manipulated books and childhood educations ..mugwart - Not GOD her/him/it. It annoys me when people attack bullshit books as proof of no god.To sit down and contemplate everything that ever was, will be ...mugwart
- is colossal. To disprove the existence is just as small minded as to try & disprove 'science'. Everything goes hand in hand - if everyone was just honest withmugwart
- themselves and to others the world wouldn't be a happy place but there would certainly be a better place.mugwart
- Agreed. 'God' is a convenient scapegoat. What most folk get fucked off with is the dogma and doctrine of the religions.Morning_star
- If "a" god tells three people three mutually exclusive things, including how to worship, I'm happy to say it's three different gods.i_monk
- except no god has told any person anything (that they didn't already know) ;)monospaced
- that's not true, how about all the times he's appeared for them in their toast?_niko
- I mean, anyone can communicate via iPhone but only a god can talk to you through toast._niko
- Jesus was recognised as a prophet in the Quran. Same shit, different books.monoboy
- Let me get this straight. You're asking why a group of people that believe in a make-believe story, don't believe in another make-believe story???sofakingback
- Because it's not real. So who gives a shit what anyone thinks? The point of god is a self-serving belief that you're not alone.sofakingback
- So believe whatever you want. Its all the same in the end.sofakingback
- Are you doing PR work for Allah? IMHO He needs a better publicist.hotroddy
- This post was meant for Jews and Christians and look how the Atheist flock jumped out of the water. No one really cares if you believe or not. Stop shouting itBeeswax
- Atheists care because they witness, every day, all the shit mankind pulls in in the name of God(s), which is really some of the most embarrassing shit imaginablmonospaced
- mono, If atheists cared they'd attemp to do something to solve those problems. The reality is that they most are armchair experts with little to no interest...Morning_star
- ..in contributing to the solution. A worthless group of likeminded people who constantly congratulate themselves on how right they seem to be. Give me a group..Morning_star
- ...of ten Athieists an show you seven smug pricks and three ignorant social misfits.Morning_star
- Religious people are cunts and atheists are cunts.********
- There's a theme here********
- As some masked musical gents once claimed: people=shitMorning_star
- oh c'mon ... atheists are a minority, and saying they don't care because they haven't organized to solve problems is ridiculous ... that doesn't fall on 1 groupmonospaced
- the undeniable truth is that atheists do make up a lot of the scientific community that has dedicated their entire lives and purpose to solving world problemsmonospaced
- and unlike the blind faith of religion or prayer, they've made some real, measureable discoveries and meaningful progress to help mankind ... in my opinionmonospaced
- most atheists just want people to stop killing each other in the name of gods, with the ideal that perhaps less religion would result in less fanatics and violemonospaced
- Plus a million mono_niko
- Also why label someone for not believing in something that doesn't exist? You don't go around calling people abigfootist or afairyist do you?_niko
- i'm denying YOUR undeniable truth. If you want to be a good atheist pay attention to facts first, mono.Beeswax
- this is common knowledge. and really old too, i.e. 'Ring Parable' in Nathan der Weise (18th c.)
- akiersky2
Pope declares the big bang and evolution are real
- Tuesday 28 October 2014 09:43 GMTContinuity
- you heard it here first, people!sarahfailin
- 2025: "pope admits catholicism is bullshit"scarabin
- lol scarabinmoldero
- Papal TLgarbage
- pablo280
"Without God, man is but a poor rational and talking animal, coming from nowhere and heading for nowhere." - Petre Tutea
- With god man is but a poor irational and talking animal coming from an imaginary place and headed for an imaginary place_niko
- But god is a figment of mans imagination.monospaced
- IRNlun6-2
It's a bit long but worth it. Different way of looking at religion(s).
Introduction to the Idea of God - Psychological Significance of the Biblical Stories
- Beeswax-3
What is this need of Atheists to constantly declare that they are Atheists?
Are you aware that you're acting like some uninvited missionary who comes to your door out of nowhere?
And last,
Does this mission of yours have some sort of a "saving the world from religions" goal attached to it?
If yes, do you think that will solve world's biggest problems?there are 3 questions there for you to ask yourself.
- lol what are you referring to exactly? also, why are they so uninvited? since when is not believing in bullshit fairytales and embracing reason a "mission"?monospaced
- "How do you know there's an Atheist in the room?"...Morning_star
- ..."Don't worry, they'll tell you"Morning_star
- not to veer too far into politics, but the irony of the left, who are more prominently atheist, and more likely to support mass migration or dissolution of...IRNlun6
- ... borders, is that most migrants come from very religious backgrounds. Example hispanics in the US, Muslims in Europe.IRNlun6
- Why do you Muslims need to declare yourselves as being Muslim? Ditto Christians. And Jews.Continuity
- atheists aren't prominent in any political groupmonospaced
- Atheists are the only reason there's even a little common sense left in this world. Fuck me.Continuity
- fair enough mono. I see atheism as more as a left/progressive, but its still a general minority overall so prominence is not right.IRNlun6
- Yes, seeing the world/universe for what it is, and dropping the childish nonsense of religion, is extremely progressive.monospaced
- How ironic to criticize atheists by likening them to christian missionaries, and then having the audacity to imply that any religion is solving a world problem.monospaced
- traditions, culture, and the arts that emerged from religions are massive contribution to the world. even greek philosophers believed in deities.IRNlun6
- not denying that in any way ... just saying that at this this point, it's not adding much to progress anymoremonospaced
- CygnusZero4-1
I'm not religious, but it's hard for me to understand the position of atheists. One can't know the unknowable, if there is a god or not. I have an easier time understanding the position of religious people.
I've always felt that it's entirely possible that there is a god of some kind, but to me, likely not anything that is aware of us. Certainly not any sort of human form.
I always go back to the giant cosmic cow reference. It's a possibility that the entire universe is just the molecular level of some giant "thing", and all the stars and planets are just cells within it. There's no way to know what's outside the universe, or how it came into being, so for an atheist to just come to the conclusion that there is no god at all, it's very silly to me, and sort of ignorant to even think that.
But I also recognize that there could be a god that is aware of us, that created all this. I can't say otherwise, so to me, being agnostic makes the most sense. It always seemed like the most logical position for me personally.
- lol so believing in something with no evidence is easier than not? that makes no sense to a rational mindmonospaced
- i'm agnostic myself but sometimes believing in nothing is better than believing we all live in a cow or on the back of a giant turtlescarabin
- Trying to invoke logic in a statement about faith makes no sense. Sorry. Faith in the supernatural is an emotional thing, not a logical one.Continuity
- yeah, exactly! Hahahahahamonospaced
- I agree with Cyg. Looking at this entire incredible universe, believing in the possibility of something.IRNlun6
- Belief in something larger than we are is not always this onerous force of control post-modernism makes it out to be.IRNlun6
- Someone who claims (to know) there are no gods isn't merely an atheist, they are a positive or strong or gnostic atheist. Which is just one form of atheism.i_monk
- The other form is negative/weak/agnost... atheism, which you're intimately familiar with because that's your position on all the gods you've never heard of.i_monk
- sonnde0
Far-Eastern traditions were utilized too. The Roman empire was well aware of the teachings and myths of Buddhism. Buddha images in classic Greek style were made in Pakistan and Afghanistan in the first century a.d. Buddhist ideas like the “footprints of Buddha” appeared among Christians. Bishop Sulpicius of Jerusalem reported that, as in India, “In the dust where Christ trod the marks of His step can still be seen, and the earth still bears the print of His feet.” Buddhist metaphors and phrasing also appeared in the Gospels. Jesus’s formula, “Dearly Beloved,” was the conventional way for Tantric deities to address their teachings to Devi, their Goddess.
- at least add the attribute to what you're quotingscarabin
- i'm just showing there is only 1 culture and only 1 religionsonnde
- no you arentmonospaced
- lose weightsonnde
- man, you're "that guy" at the party aren't you? stay away from me, creep. you tend to stop after a while like the conspiracy thread. i win.sonnde
- Do not overrate what you have received, nor envy others. He who envies others does not obtain peace of mind. buddha says be happy if you're fat.sonnde
- Christians copied everyone, news at 11.i_monk
- The Vatican Owns The Queen Whats Your Point?sonnde
- The Queen is the head of a completely different church and is richer than the Vatican, so [citation needed].i_monk
- Unam Sanctum ... if you don't think corporations are the power ... dunno what to tell yousonnde
- Let no one persuade you that you have no superior or that you are not subject to the head of the ecclesiastical hierarchy, for he is a fool who so thinks.sonnde
- You're fatmonospaced
- And you didn't win.monospaced
- I always win.sonnde
