The Tip.
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- MLVR0
Tip is something you have to achive to get. You get tip if you've done a great job. You get no tip if you suck. That's Sweden though.
Remember when I were in NY and had breakfast at some junk diner called 'All healthy' just serving butter drained pancakes with bacon and jam. And the guy begind the counter expected tip. Bullshit.
- iDp0
I agree with you to a certain degree. I think it would be fucking grand if all waiters made the same ammount of money every night. My girlfriend will make $40 sometimes and others she makes $250. But think about it like this: as a designer if a client keeps having you change stuff you have a change fee. When you ask a waiter to go get you this and go get you that...these are change fees man.
When I was a waiter it kind of made sense to me to think about it this way: They get paid their salary for the bare minimum; to take care of their uniforms, keep good heigene (sp? its late) and to show up. The tips are a bonus for all the other shit waiters have to put up with. And believe me there is a lot of shit that waiters have to do just to get through a shift. It really is a tough gig being a waiter. Now mind you I worked in a pretty high end restaurant...long story but two gentlemen spent 75 thousand dollars for dinner, lots of old old wine...and moth this might surprise you, but they tipped out 12k, luckilly I worked in a rstaurant that split all the tips so I walked with $800. Did I deserve it, hell no, but I don't think we're talking about that kind of restaurant. But regardless it really is a tough gig most of the time, you are usually working with pissed off chefs, managers in restaurants are mostly assholes and then you get customers like Gorbie who get their food spit on all shift long for acting out :P
- Gorbie0
you can get a beer with your hair cut... fuckin' a.
*packs bags
*says fuck it, and just grabs a tooth brush
- soda0
i think it's wrong that you should feel oblidged to tip because it's expected. Just tip when you feel it's needed or deserved. that's what I do.
Mind you if I don't tip, I generally don't go back...However I do tip Big Issue sellers at christmas. I generally buy them a bottle of beer, or cider or meths or something.
It makes me feel good about myself...
- MLVR0
I had a coffee yesterday and as at all cafés they had a little 'tip tray'. But they also had a sign that said "Thanks to you, this is how much money we gave away to charity" and they showed how much money on each month and to what charity organization. I tipped.
- MLVR0
idp: changes fee shouldn't apply unless it's a catering service. I mean at a restaurant you have specific hours when you work right. It's not like you work over-time because someone wants u to get'em a beer.
- iDp0
whatever...like I said I really don't care I was just trying to put it in context, and a change fee doesnt mean you are now working overtime, its a fee so that clients get what they want and designers get paid extra for going above and beyond what was originally quoted.
Just out of curiosity do your waiters make minimum wage? Because its standard practice here, waiters all make minimum wage. The only place I didn't make minimum wage as a waiter was at the hotel I worked at. I think minimum wage here is like $5.25 an hour.
- MLVR0
They make more money here. But it's also more expensive to live here. However it's very expensive to go out to eat but that has nothing to do with the tip system it's more about high quality but main reason is vat or gst or whatever you call it :-)
- Blofeldt0
I really fucking hate this fashion bars at the moment when they give you your change on a tray, as if they expect you to leave them a tip! They're not doing anything special, they pour a pint (usually badly) and they expect extra. FUCK OFF. I know it's probably not their fault, it's management who decide to do it. But it annoys me all the same.
- ********0
Change Fees?!
omg....iDp. Well, me and you will just have to disagree - and never have lunch! Honestly I think it's your own stupid fault if you take a job that doesn't pay you fairly. To expect me to pick up the deficit is just wrong!
And I did mention - I've been there. I've been a waiter, and I was working bars for 4 years. Yeah the pay isn't too hot, but I never went in there expecting tips. I was good at my job too. I think in 4 years I amounted about £20 in tips. More than I feel I deserved.
- MLVR0
Blo: I don't think they do it to get tipped but because it's a nicer way to give back your money instead of putting it on the bar disk that is wet of all beer. In Sydney they give your change back on a tray at alot of places but it's also a non-tipping system there.
- Blofeldt0
The other thing i hate, is washroom attendants. The the fuck's that all about. They're turning up in loads of bars now. With a load of potions they bought down the market, cover your shirt in soap hand you some crap paper towels and they have a little dish there. Bugger off. I don't want to feel obliged to give you a tip. Why do bars let them in? They make going to the toilet an uncomforatable expirence.
- soda0
tip trays in bars are terrible.
Not only do they have the cheek to poor a bad pint AND over charge you for it they feckin' want you to pay extra for the pleasure?!?!
- iDp0
MLVR are you sure it costs more to live there than in Los Angeles? I mean Las Vegas is cheaper but not that much cheaper to live than Los Angeles.
You don't think your higher food prices have a reflection on the fact that your waiters get paid a decent salary?
- ********0
Blofeldt - you're right. All Bar One do it - not that I go in there if I can help it.
Most don't even know how to pour a good Gin and Tonic. They should be trained - like I was.
- Blofeldt0
BAH! Well i still don't like it.
- ********0
If the loo atendant wiped the shit and piss off the walls and seats I might give him a tip.
But they don't.
- Blofeldt0
I intitally thought they were in there to make sure you weren't getting up to any monkey business in the cubicles. But now i think they're just there to be a pain in the arse.
- ********0
I have to admit one of them saved my life in Ireland when about 12 Irish drunks disaproved of my lip...
Honestly. Me? Lippy?
- MLVR0
After taxes and crap I think they're on the same level in proportion to living costs etc.