animal cruelty...
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- BobaFetus0
No hypocrisy, vespa. I don't consider this bitch to be different from a rock I'd throw away. She's no living being for me, just a piece of shit somebody should take care of... As said, no hypocrisy :D
- rabattski0
kuz, i thought you were criticizing everyone here. my mistake. that one remark you quote is just one guy's opinion which is indeed not called for imo. although it doesn't suprise that this artwork creates such reactions.
but you know, i just get sick and tired of the word sensationalist. i read / hear it too much. sounds like the word of this century. it's not an argument you know, it's just calling names. it's about various norms and values in combination with various cultural backgrounds which causes popular opinions. in some countries someone would say it's a waste killing animals for art because those animals can be used for food. who's right or wrong here? no one imo.
if a large array of people share the same opinion it isn't sensationalizing, it's basically a mirror of those norms and values. and yes art can question this since there is no right or wrong from that aspect. but from what people feel is right or wrong it creates such reactions.
- rabattski0
aaargh. what are those linebreaks doing again? messing up me message!
- Kuz0
isn't her use of chintzy cliched aesthetics of Vases and flowers and ornamenation almost sentimental moth? with the kind of mouse style ornaments so many old ladies have on their mantlepeces... almost reminds you of grandma and homeliness, and how we use animals in that "awww" cute aesthetics. Animals are ornaments to us anyway. And then her using real animals, its such a shock, animals that have died for the purpose of ornamentation - don't some people treat cats as accessories... like just the way she twists that cheesy aesthetic with the disturbing death... the juxtaposition.. it's so fascinating. I'm really digging it.
- ozhanlion0
OMG!!!!!
this is fucking pathetic. I hope that woman may be punished just like his "exhibition".
cunt
- crap0
it's too easy to question norms and morals by making offensive work.
Her work doesn't move me
- moth0
I don't think people would be so outraged if it were chickens.
- vespa0
i must admit i do find them fascinating. they do make me think. about the notion of trophies, accessorizing, ownership, cruelty, the food chain, human arrogance and beauty. that's more than any brit-pack conceptual dross has ever done for me. i could never kill something but i still eat meat so i guess i'm no better.
- moth0
I wouldn't eat anything I'm not prepaired to kill first.
I hate waste too. Will gladly eat (and do) an animals' guts rather than see it wasted...
- Kuz0
word vespa. This really isn't like the sensation brit art crap that just left me cold.
- vespa0
i agree with you moth but i just couldn't bring myself to kill something. i know it's morally wrong to eat meat if i couldn't kill it but my psyche hasn't been trained for it. *hangs head in shame
*whilst eating bacon sandwich
- moth0
i just couldn't bring myself to kill something. i know it's morally wrong to eat meat if i couldn't kill it
vespa
(oct 28 04, 06:38)
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Well... no. It's not, if you are willing to accept what happens.I could kill the pig, and give you the bacon... that's not wrong.
Best thing you can do if you want to "do" something, is buy free-range meat, and organic where possible. I'm sure you'd be horrified at the lives of the animals on supermarket shelves.
Do you know where that bacon came from?
I'll bet you don't ;)
- moth0
*NB.
I'm not giving you the bacon.... And I don't own a pig.
- lowimpakt0
I don't think people would be so outraged if it were chickens.
moth
(oct 28 04, 06:25)
------------------------------or a nice leather jacket.
but jackets don't make you think
- vespa0
nope i don't know where my bacon came from. nor my lunchtime coffee. in fact i don't know where the petrol came from that powered my bus this morning. and i live in london working for a large corporation thereby leaving such a huge ecological footprint that my onitsuka leather trainers can never walk far enough to help me recover my renewable resource debt. and pig is a filthy animal anyway *whips self whilst hanging head in shame
*but bacon tastes SO GOOD with avocado and fresh ciabata made slightly moist with dijon mustard. if i appreciate his death, does that make it right?
- lowimpakt0
A man can live and be healthy without killing animals for food; therefore, if he eats meat, he participates in taking animal life merely for the sake of his appetite. ~Leo Tolstoy
- normal0
The artwork doesn't particularly bother me at all nor does the means by which it was produced. That doesn't make me a sociopath, it doesn't make her a great artist either. But to me, if I were to become outraged at this then where would I stop? I wear and use leather, i eat meat on a regular basis and I like foie gras. I would actually prefer to kill and sort out my own meat. That's just not possible living in the city. But, if I get disgusted by that then I'm only disgusted by myself being an animal and ultimately we are all animals and don't animals kill for fun and for food? Or even art?
So the question is, are you disgusted because she's showing herself to be the same animal that we all are?
We fuck, we kill, we eat. We kill ourselves directly, or indirectly we kill people as a society or as individuals. We want to kill people for killing animals we kill animals for killing people we make mortal threats for trivial things. We destroy to create and create to destroy. Fuck it. What's the point?
- moth0
if i appreciate his death, does that make it right?
vespa
(oct 28 04, 07:04)
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No. Pass me the whip.
- vespa0
well i can't argue with that lowimpakt. you're totally right.