Netherlands v/s Belgium
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- bomy_dick0
dutch smoke more designer pot than belgium do..
- ********0
Dutch/Amsterdam design has more humour indeed.
Belgian design knows great variety and has more influences from other countries (designstyle), but also Belgians always know how to incorporate a sense of originality.
btw. your name is Linda Korver? I know Sander Korver via this site as well, he is a Dutch designer.. you are his sister?
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bumpety bump
- reluct0
I know, I know! Dutch design is different from any other country, because we think extremely high of actual talent. Not the 'you'll learn' or 'aim high' kind of talent, but the talent you are born with. Dutchies don't practice. You either have it or you don't. And if you don't, we'll let you know in the most blunt ways possible.
- reluct0
And I don't think this is a good thing. It's just an observation.
- ximeraLabs0
What tank said... Dutch design has always been more prolific and "out in the open" compared to Belgian design (and I'm talking about graphic design). Probably thanks to Dutch collectives like De Stijl and early movements into graphic design have made it a much more publicly engaged craft compared to Belgium where it never had that "chance". Instead Belgium has rather focused (and is known for) its fashion design, furniture design and architecture... (and before everyone starts making a fuss -- i am well aware of the important role Dutch architecture plays - but i'm just trying to illustrate a point here)..
- ********0
*starts making a fuss*
;D
nah, good points there.
but still, i moved to Belgium.. probably cause I am a talentless hack!
naaaahhh...
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heehhe 4cY
- lay_z0
thnx guys, u really helped me out!
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Hi,
I reckon there is a HUGE difference between the two countries. I lived in Belgium for two years, and searched for a decent aagency, I swear I only found ONE. There are a lot of freelance agents in belgium that do some rad stuff, but i swear, belgium sucks compared to holland. The dutch are born in a country that looks like a grid for god's sakes, they know helvetica before they can walk. Design is in their blood.
Best design agency in belgium, by far, is base design.
Two years of fruitless searching is what belgium left me... it sucked. Thats why I started my own gig.
Fave design agency in Holland would have to be experimental jetset.
My two euro cents.
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There are also other discplines to consider, not just design, like when it comes to fashion, Belgium is kicking every other country out there, hands down, And the dutch have hardly anything to show for it. And Music in Belgium kicks ass all over the place, truly innovative music started out in little belgium. The dutch have, erm, Anouk, and for some reason are obsessed with naf american bands like Live.
So the dutch dont always get it right. But when it comes to design, belgium isnt up there.
And the clubs in Belgium! Top notch and bangin.And bicky burgers... mmm, bicky burgers...
The girls in both holland and belgium are hot.
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hi muracas
- tank0
its also a educational problem.
i was talking about that last night with my (ex)girlfriend.she also does graphic design..but my school has become so sad that we even havent got a decent library.so how can the students learn anything if we dont even have documentation..so the only solution is i buy my own books but than i cant do other stuff..like buying food..
the academie is a very wrong place to study if the 3d year students come to me(4th year,busy on my internship)to ask for advice..but hey i really like that they come to me..but they are so desillusioned by the teachers..they realy dont offer any solutions and see it has a nine to five job.if you compare this to holland for example werkplaats typografie..were the students and teachers work toghther on real projects...
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read this:
school sucks
- tank0
read this:
IT DOESNT HAVE TO BE
- crapmeister0
one of these days there's gonna be a graphic designstudent who'll shoot all the teachers columbine style
they are all fucking bitches and I hate them for not educating us .
- ximeraLabs0
I totally agree with RGB. Its very obvious that "design" is a lot more ciltivated in The Netherlands than it is in Belgium. One of the reasons for that has to do with politics and general culture: In Belgium, design (or graphic design) isn't really considered as "art" or as an important part of creative culture, whereas it is in The Netherlands. The best example to illustrate that is The Modenatie in Antwerp (http://www.modenatie.com/), which is (or was) basically the fashion department of the Royal Academy for Fine Arts. Because fashion is regarded as an important artform, and an important carrier of Belgian creative culture, they get an enormous amount of funding, both from the state and private investors; while for example the graphic design dept. (where myself, my brother, Stoav, and crapmeister studied - and where tank is graduating from this year) still has to struggle to get a decent infrastructre for lets say a computer farm. This also has to do with the fact that the graphic design dept. is part of a classic ART academy, so we were (and are) somewhat dangling at the end and not really fitting in with the more "art" courses like sculpting, painting, photography, etc,... .
Also, the teachers at the fashion department are all celebrated designers, who are still very active in their field, and basically pushed for their own institute, and more recognition and funding towards education. Our teachers (in the graphic design dept.) are 9and i'm sorry to say this) very narrowminded and somewhat "stuck" in their views of graphic design (best examples here: http://www.academieantwerpen.be/…
and here: http://home.tiscali.be/wol-jeanc…) and don't progress or even stay in touch with "current trends" - this also feeds back into the course itself, and on top of that we never had any proper classes on design history, typography, etc,...To make a long story short: you can track this all back to a general shortage of understanding of what graphic design really is and how it is culturally relevant. Something the Dutch damn well know.
- ximeraLabs0
To continue a little bit... tank: the library in the school is pretty impressive, they might not have the lastest of the latest -- but they have some pretty fucking cool books on art and design in general, and really really old books.
Anyway, on of the main reasons is moved to the UK was because what RGB said ... there are not that many creative agencies in Belgium like you have say, in London. The atmosphere is totally different and although Belgium has a enourmous creative industry, most don't seem to be able to see the links between them. Most "(web)design" companies just go for the money and do corporate design. It's up to the freelance designers, one man studios and small collectives to do the creative stuff -- which is hard to come by and its a struggle to survive sometimes... But in the end it all boils down to yourself and what choices you make.
- tank0
i totally agree with ximera.i 'm
going to the principal tomorrow;i'm sick of it
example:we moved one floor up in june.didya think in those four months they fixed the computers so exchange students can work on their assignments...no!
they would give replace lessons for the other years..they didnt..ah am so sick of their attitude!!!damned i'm pissed....
- tank0
ximera,yeah..but it takes days to find them because they are scattered al acros the libray and academy...