Netherlands v/s Belgium
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- EuroTrash0
I know you were looking for some constructive help. But I think for that you came to teh wrong place. Web designers in generally don't have a traditional design education, and therefore teh background to constructivly address such issues. But I can tell you this...as I remember years back when I studied different schools of design, there are distinct differences, controdictory to what the main populous has pulled out of their arses. I think your best bet, is to go to a libarary and look up Dutch school of design and Belgium and find out the clear distinct differences...I know you were hoping for an easy answere, but there is no such thing.
- ximeraLabs0
Quote: "Web designers in generally don't have a traditional design education, and therefore teh background to constructivly address such issues" Unquote.
Maybe, but I've had a traditional design education, so has crapmeister, and tank is in one...
I think we're pretty aware of the stuff we're talking about. I've had the luck to have half of my family being in the design industry/art world, and have been in the art education world since i was old enough to walk, so i guess i have a kind of unique view on the going-ons inour little design world; and what RGB, Rizon, tank and crapmeister say is (sadly) true.
- ********0
why dont you all cry a little.
its ok;D
- ximeraLabs0
haha -- nah -- i'm happy, i "escaped" ;)...
seriously, I don't think we're just bitching here, it's just that we all feel very strongly about what we do, and since we all share an alomost identical background (lived in the same city, studied at the same schools) we feel that things could be better...
how about you BXCAR? what's your background?
- crap0
I shall save my tears for worse times to come
- rizon0
i have send an email to dna... who knows...
- ximeraLabs0
Actually I think the crap (not meister) we had/have to deal with makes us better designers in the end...
- ********0
'Actually I think the crap (not meister) we had/have to deal with makes us better designers in the end... '
ximeraLabs
it makes us more down to earth designers i am sure.
my background. well, i was born in the golden year of 1977 and was trained as a 3D designer. when i was studying i was sure this was not what i was going to do for the rest of my life.
i reckon thats the whole point about school, rebellion, getting convinced to take it lots further. i see that schoolperiod as an incubationtime, getting angry and building up motivation as long as you keep it constructive. ppl who have to redo a year or two have a plus in that. they have to think and ask themselves'what am i doing?!' the fact i had to do that saved me i think.
i graduated on friday and started working on monday at Créneau, back then a kickass office.
it was there i made the switch from 3D design to graphics/communication.
Créneau made clear to me that i should see myself as a designer, a creative person rather than somebody specialised in this or that and it proves to be paying of.
Afetr Créneaus bankruptcy i moved on to work in Brussels and Antwerp (TheseDays). After some miserable experiences there I'm back in Brussels and freelancing. I'll be teaming up with a couple of fellow designers in a near future but more soon about that cause still nothing to show you about that (work in progress)
Rough times but keeping it up.
Voilà.quite a read wasnt it?
- ximeraLabs0
Cool ... yeah I on the one hand i think that a college environment that pushes you to think for yourself is good thing - but when its not backed up by a decent theory i feel it can do more harm than good in some cases.
Anyway -- enough babbling from me...
- crap0
I don't regret graduating at academy
made real good friendsI got my real education from my parents who were always dragging me to museums, galleries and exhibitions during my younger years.
- ********0
i dont regret 'studying' either.
developped my sense of criticising one & the other.
after a while i found myself criticising everybody&everything and being really depressed about what i was doing but as you grow older you realise to take some distance and dont make such a fuss about everything
'once youre outside you dont want to hide anymore.... and now its on!'
Grandaddy
- ********0
nice pieces rizon!
- rizon0
thanks! stopped with school at the age of 17... not one day i regret, even the vdab didn't allow me to follow courses photoshop... arm vlaanderen. But it's true that anger, disagreement, unbelieve, etc motivates well. The antown crew was the best education i could get... represent.
- ********0
vdab.. who needs vdab.
i tried counseling to get some money from the 'Participatiefonds'. An idea by the Belgian governement to encourage ppl who want to work as an independent.
dealing with those ppl was so irritating that i can conclude only one thing:
if you want to do something you better DO IT! and dont rely (and wait) for those bureaucrats figuring out for years if youre worth their stupid money or not.in the long run they got what they wanted. no investment and me paying high taxes. lets see how smart i can play the game and pay as little as possible.
- ********0
great thread.
so why did I move to Belgium?
ooh yes..
the masterplan..
how could i forget..
THE MASTERPLAN!
*evil laughing getting louder*
- ********0
you mean MUHAHAHAHHA MUHHAHAHAHHA!
- ********0
also to meet up with Dr. Evil right? Hmm, 4cY might be a recruit for Mal and I's Evil Empire of Monkeys. *see Monkey Thread. :)
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- ********0
nice one, Jaz.
- ********0
sometimes I wonder about those Hip-Hop dudes, where they get their content from, hmmm? ;)