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- unknown0
haha 4cy you are one funny guy
- vena0
every once in a while a thread pops up along the lines of "can someone please send me ssuch-suchmmercial font?"
this thread came about because every once in a while i get sick of deleting them and banning the person for their lack of sense. i mean, i know people are going to steal fonts, and nothing i say will stop that, but have enough sense not to do it on one of the most highly trafficked design forums in the world. :)
- ********0
I think everybody is bugging out on vena because he is pontificating when we all know he likely uses at least one illegal software install (like the rest of us) which is just as bad as ripping off font designers.
vena seems like a big winer. but he's got a point. in a perfect world font designers should get paid. I suspect font designers well know what they are getting into when they design a font though and they don't expect to make much money.
I have mixed feeling about that. Some would say that this inspires true creativity in that a designer made the font out of pure love for the art and not money etc.
regardless, the reality of the facts on the ground are that font designers don't really get paid until their fonts are picked up by designers who work for big companies who decide to use them... so that ain't going to happen until designers share them and they become popular.
so get over it. you can't stop designers from sharing fonts just like you can't stop designers from sharing software or ripping design styles. a good artist is a good thief....
- vena0
actually no, when i need a specific font or piece of software for a project - i bill the client. it's called business.
- vena0
and it's apparent you didn't bother to read the thread, as per your m.o., littlebabyarm.
- upso0
i have times new roman if anyone wants it
- numero10
lol
- ********0
Lots of fonts are to damn expensive and for a student its lots of money. If the fonts I wanted were cheaper, I would buy them.
- spk0
vena. what about free fonts?
like software ... fonts should be purchased if you are using them... especially if making money off of it/them -
on the other hand if a designer is producing a comp for a client doesnt it make sense for him to attempt to sell client x on a given font or perhaps do some experimentation with a loaned font ??? prior to purchasing the family? like comping images from stock sources?
- quamb0
am agreeing with vena here.
we are in a business, you can bill the client for that font you had to buy.
it seems when one can't physically hold an object (ie digital media) it becomes okay to 'steal'.
as for music- whole other topic. though it shits me too, especially the designers who whinge about 'rips' then head off to use audio for their site that isn't theirs, cleared or legitimate.
whilst there are font designers struggling due to piracy, there are also "new media" audio producers who can't get anywhere due to designers using the same flashkit crap and k&d loop.
- ********0
I find sound loops all over the Net that are taken by people and used commercially, when I explicitly state that I have to be contacted or they have to purchase a license to use them. I guess I get pissed, but that's life. Generally, when I ask, they say sorry and I let them use it anyway or ask them for money. Hee, hee ;)
- BonSeff0
first, i should say i can understand why people would get bummed at designers panhandling for fonts on this board
that said
i wonder if font designers
"trade fonts"my money says they do
maybe not on nt
but believe you me
they doin itbut seriously, unless i own a marketing firm with a swell markup, how in the hell can i afford to pay for every font and font family?
there are so many things i need to buy and want to buy between pay periods. and dropping 30-100 bucks on fonts doesnt rank very high in my budget.the correct way is to send the client to the websites that display the fonts i would like for them to choose from. then purchase it. but ive found finding a client to do that are far and few between. most just want us to design shit for them.
ug, its a complicated mess
i guess i'll proudly bear the cross of a font swapping scoundrel
- sparker0
the lame "i'm a poor student" argument is childish.
find an alternative or pay for the font. it's that simple.
if you are a working designer, then there is never an excuse for using illegal software or fonts.
it shows clients you are nothing but an amateur.
and, i'll happily show anyone who wants my paid for software. i didn't even use pirated software in college. if i couldn't afford something i found an open-source alternative or used the school resources available.
there is no difference between stealing copyrighted type faces from stealing mp3's from stealing peoples design work from stealing a car from the parking lot.
the next time some little punk kids cries about a 2A rip, he should delete all his illegal warez from his harddrive...
it's a pitty the design world is populated by arm-chair, childish and idiotic people, with a bit of talent, who have nothing better to do than steal hardworking designers products.
why don't you email emigre and find out how zuzana likes people begging for free copies of her blood, sweat and dedication to a all but dead medium. i'm sure she loves to see her work given away without her permission.
it's pathetic.
- BonSeff0
if there is a better reason for not purchasing a font, its being a poor student. its hardly childish. most college kids are broke.
and most font designers with the major foundries are commissioned. much like stock photographers.
save it
- pr20
I have this friend, he's a musician. Then one day his hd crashes, so he buys a new one, but he doesn't have OS as he bought his computer really cheaply with preinstalled OS. So he asks his so-called friend (who i also know) for a copy of WinXP. ANd that prick says that wouldn't be ethical... I suppose that piece of shit forgot that the only reason he can afford legit versions of WinXP, Photoshop, Flash, After Effects, Premiere and Dreamweaver (as well as many other expensive softwares) is beacuse of his rich daddy. Telling people in college to go and buy their software makes you look like a piece of shit too. Some of as are trully poor and don't say that only because "studens are suppose to be broke."
And comparing stealing software to stealing cars is brain-dead. The car company will be partying with resources when they transfer ownesrhip to me, while making a copy of software costs close to nothing. So although car manufactures wouln't be able to sell car to every person in America, software producers would only if they could.
- sparker0
then that student needs to assess what he/she is doing and why it requires them to steal. i made it through architecture school without pirating software or fonts. it's not hard. there are always alternatives.
- BonSeff0
so im guessing there is a huge demand for a wide range of fonts in architecure school?
- sparker0
actually, stealing software costs development companies tons a year. and, anyone who says differently knows nothing about the industry.
game developers spend millions every year to find ways of protecting their hard work. and, every year they lose money because people dupe their games over and over again.
if, your 'friend' can't afford windows xp, then use linux or even beos (which is specialized for things like music software and systems) which are free available. ignorance is no excuse. it isn't hard to learn how to use linux or other alternative os's.
as someone who now writes software and manages servers i can safely say i would feel violated to see my hardwork freely available somewhere when i never said it could be.
why should i spend my time and effort to make something if people aren't going to respect it?
it is childish. face it, there is no excuse for being a theif...no matter how you try to sugar coat to sleep at night. if that makes me an asshole...so be it...i'd rather respect the people who commit their lives to something, than be the kid who steals it.
- sparker0
not a wide range, but it is a design based profession. it's best if you can creatively display your work for crits.
- BonSeff0
word sparker.
obviously you come completely correct.
us low lifes will keep doing what we do
the next time i see a font/software developer holding up a cardboard sign on an intersection will be the first.im done