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the article actually makes a good case for the war.
too bad people have to die.
- Jamesh0
bizump in the name of the people...
USA future police state:
Read your rights.
Patriot Act in short (scroll down to the facts) http://www.fromthewilderness.com…
Actual Patriot Act http://www.epic.org/privacy/terr…
Emergency Health Powers Act in short (choose any link)
http://www.aapsonline.org/testim…Actual Emergency Health Powers Act
http://www.aapsonline.org/legis/…Homeland Security Act in short http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/11…
Actual Homeland Security Act http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs…
The govornments definition of 'terrorist' is vague.
Dissent can be considered terrorism.
Terrorism has very harsh penalties.
Is someone in the administration planning on having a little civil unrest in the future?
Terrorism makes defense contractors rich.
- js_0
where did Duck go .. he made that oh so powerful claim about cluster bombs not being used, and then posted that very touching picture of the liberated rejoicing iraqis, well not only have both the US and UK admitted to using cluster bombs like they are going out of style, they are now finally getting some criticism for it :
- KArmaPolice0
Some of the brutal facts:
We live in a world of invisible boundaries. Nation states and their religions have been programmed into our very DNA over billions of years. We, as humans, will always split into groups only to gleefully destroy other groups. It gives us a sense of purpose - a sense of self. We are only animals controlled by the instinct of greed and self preservation. To sit and think that this should change, that a world without war is somehow within our grasp - is futile. It will never be what you want it to be. You must realize the world for what it is - a brutal spec of sand in the incredible vastness of time and space.
This is my favorite subject. I have no idealist set of plans for human beings. No visions of a StarTrek future where money is no longer needed and all the worlds people will be feed and clothed. Not happening. Sorry.
As an athiest I look at religion as a way to control people. Is it not? Governments are sets of rules to control peole. Some rules work better than others. Americas rules have done quite well for it's population over the past 200 years.
We are like rats in a cage. Mother nature has more control over us than you think. We need control - we look for it. Mother Nature on the other hand loves chaos - two competing powers. Neither will win. Neither will lose.
Sit back and enjoy the ride!
P.S. Not big on the porn thing. Sorry. Your concept of me being some idiot from middle america who gets all his info from FoxNews just doesn't play.
- js_0
"To sit and think that this should change, that a world without war is somehow within our grasp - is futile."
Agreed Karma, wars will happen, peoples will fight over land, religion and money ... my only point is not to accept it as commonplace, this only allows it to become less rare. War is a fact of the world, but all we should be striving for as human beings, is JUSTIFICATION. Reasons. Inevitabilities.
If a man is going to kill you, and you kill him first, I highly doubt a single soul on this planet will label you a murderer. But if you kill someone because you want his money and nice clothes, then yes, you are in the wrong. This what I'm saying with war, wars will happen, inevitable and unavoidable, yes. But that doesn't mean any international fight should be lumped into the same category with the mentality of, 'oh well, a war is a war is a war, these things happen'.
- KArmaPolice0
This war is "justified" in my view in many ways. One is:
We are like a retired boxer. We sat on the sidelines while the world took punches at us. Most of the punches came from the middle east. For good reason.
The world governments have created a mess over there. Chopping up countries over oil reserves and supporting "Nationals" Ruling families that do nothing but rape there own people of self worth. We supported this nonsense and still do.
But at some point (I believe now) we have to show the middle east what a democratic system like ours can do for people who feel they have little power to change their future. Give them a way see their dreams become a possibility. It's the Marshal Plan 2.0. Yes, it is a grand experiment, but what the hell. While we are there let take out a brutal regeim.
America is easy to knock around when one holds the idealist view. We have so much and control so much more. We expect countries we help and control with our cash to do our bidding - as we should.
What is a world with out America? When the U.N won't take action to stop the fighting in Bosnia - who does the world call? When Turkey has an earthquake in a major metropolitan area - who flies in food and supplies? We do lots of good for lots of people and we are hated for it. AND Yes, we give billions of dollars to countries only to have them spend those same billions on weapons of war we build. We are not perfect and we are hated for it. So goes the life of the top dog.
We were born great, we have achieved greatness and now we force our greatness on others.
- unknown0
I don't see any glimpse of greatness in a nation who believes in war and world domination
you are definitely a born wreck and nobody can help you anymore
lost little boy
- js_0
- KArmaPolice0
What makes us great?
The Power and ecomoics of scale. Same as Starbucks. Crappy coffee that became great.We are the 800 lb gorilla sitting in a cage filled with little white bunnies. Could all these white bunnies gang up and overthrow the Gorilla.. Maybe, but the chances are close to nil. As a gorilla you should be happy you are such. And go about your day being the best gorilla you can be. Every once in a while have fun and beat your chest and chuckle as all the white bunnies scatter.
All countries believe in war because it is how all countries were created. All countries dream of world or regional dominance. It's helps them economically. Your power only streches as far as your military force.
The UN is an entity that wishes it had power. It's a group of powerful people (mostly men) that wish their visions or worldly truths become the standard. But the UN has no power. It leans so heavily on the US that it will eventually fail at this task under it's own stupidity. If the UN wanted to attack a country in the name of "UN peace" it has no power to do so. It needs American aircraft carriers to get them there.
They have become an entity with the sole purpose of feeding nations that are on their own self induced death beds. These are countires that have failed. Their religions or governments hinder their own advancement.
America has done quite a bit in 250 years. We are fighting cultures that have been around for thousands of years and the only reason they are still around is because the sit on a reserve of oil. Lucky them. We have progressed while they stand still. Our children eat Oscar Myer Lunchables, while their children starve.
Our system is not perfect. Far from it. But all in all it's been good to us.
- KArmaPolice0
Already read it.
What do you expect? Governments are not designed to be crystal clear. Foggy and unreadable is better for their survival.
- Jamesh0
In a world where over 40,000 nuclear warhead exist no gorilla is safe.
People in America feel so strong and protected. 911 showed you the truth. Expect alot more of the same now that Bush has placed the USA in the crosshairs of terrorists freshly recruited due to U.S. foreign policy.
How long before that nuke goes off in NYC or LA or London?. and then eventually in more cities? What will you say then? Damn terrorists! They're barbarians!
The USA will have only itself to blame and nobody will be around to help as bush has alienated the ENTIRE planet.
What will your U.S. carriers do for you then?
Surely it will be to spread more freedom.
This 'cycle of violence' cannot exist forever. There will be an end. This is what bush does not understand.
- KArmaPolice0
Thsi "cycle of violence" is instituded not by President Bush, but by forces of nature.
So the Gorilla dies. One of the bunnies will learn to dominate the rest. This bunny will grow big and srtong and kick the other bunnies just as hard as the gorilla once did.
This cycle of violence does exist. It just can't be stopped.
- Bluejam0
In the gorilla/bunny scenario, who is good and who is bad?
Just curious.
- KArmaPolice0
Sorry for the spelling mistake.
Am I Pro War. No.
But it does make my life more interesting. I can't stop it. Revoltions rarely if ever happen. Get over your dreams of overthrowing governments and get back to work.
I understand that many people view the world with the concept that feeling should override basic governmental policy. Governments and Religions were put in place to grab power from other governments and religions.
Go along for the ride.
- unknown0
what if a pink bunny comes around?
I heard they are evil doers
- KArmaPolice0
The good bunnies are the ones the Gorilla likes. He pets and takes care of them.
If a bad bunny hurts a good bunny. The gorilla tries to teach the bad bunnies not to do that.
The bad bunnies sit in the corner and smoke cigarettes (that's what bad bunnies do, just like on the X files) while planning to overthrow the gorilla.
The Gorilla just is.
- Bluejam0
"Governments and Religions were put in place to grab power from other governments and religions."
What about multinational corporations? Aren't they a modern force/institution capable of mixing it up with governments and religions. You could even argue that they are more powerful, combining the best of religion (every body wears Nike™) and government (cd price fixing?)...
..and you still haven't answered my question, in the gorilla/bunny scenario who is good/bad?
- KArmaPolice0
The gorilla really want all the white and pink bunnies to get along. It makes his life easier.
Do we almost have a start to a sad sadistice childrens book here.
© The Gorilla and his 1000 Bunnies. By KarmaPolice
- Bluejam0
"The Gorilla just is."
Thats a cop out.