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- sp0
But is is arrogant. It is saying that "I" don't feel you, the user are important enough to look at my work. And, with that said, then there is no point to publicly display work.
Why show your work if it is only for "certain" people.
- ********0
lots of reasons. Site that needs a certain level security not availoable on older browsers?
Site with a specific audience that is knows to have a minimun spec
- anon25730
>But is is arrogant.
oh come one !!! we are not stopping people at the door - and saying dont come in - were just trying to make thing look good - whats arrogant about that ? just becuase we dont have the time to produce different feeds for old browsers is that arrogant ?
we are not just showing certain people as you say - we just wanna make use of the technolgies that people have made available to us - if nobody moves forwards what happens ?
- sp0
True, but password protected sites are not public sites. That is fine, then privatize via passworded directories and let your 'certain' users in.
Let the public web be that, public and standard.
I'm not saying, jon isn't write to a small degree. He has valid points.
But that isn't what the web is.
- ********0
I got to agree with Jon...the web inst one big group hug, its a freaking channel, just like all the others. It's new, so it has no standards..but thats all it is, its new. Its not some great utopioan communicationd device.
- sp0
The point of the web is global information and communication. It is not utopia it is an encompasing environment. As such, it requires accessibility...exclusion doesn't foster advancement it underminds it.
By saying that you are pushing the medium, by excluding hundreds of thousands of users is unfair.
How does excluding people advance the technology?
- ********0
accesability requires standard compliance.
Its allright for radio and tele that already have it..but the web doesnt.
as you say, accesabilty and being inclusive is important, but it may mean getting rid of a bit of dead wood at the start.
- anon25730
who is excluding who ? it's a free piece of software
- sp0
Not if there is technology available to make it accessible to everyone.
I gave one example, and the answer was "I don't have time to do that..." or "I don't want to give up all my fluff to show people content..."
There was NO technological reason for excluding users of older systems. It is pure laziness and unwillingness to use what is there.
There are hundreds of projects, mostly open-source, that build technology to push standards compliance and accessibility, but just like jon said above...he doesn't use them because of effort or time involved.
So, who is really to blame in the short-comings of design? Not the user. The user doesn't do anything...it is up to the programmers and designers to use the technologies out there to push the medium.
Exclusion doesn't use this existing technology.
Sorry to be harsh. But, anyone who claims to use the techologies provided to 'advance' the medium, yet doesn't use a technology to automatically parse a plain text version on the fly is being hypocritical.
- anon25730
i understand your point sp - but all this is a bit strong ! there is no exclusion going on here !
- unknown0
if people can't see the site, are they the type of people you want seeing the site anyways?
- kinetic0
wow john black on newstoday. this is a treat
love your work man! maget is one of my favorite sites :)
- sp0
But there is. You have a beautiful site. And it's chopped full of content. But not everyone will see it, mate.
For example, what if someone uses a PDA? You have some great information (it's museum quality) on Gang Rule (btw I love that site). It might be something a student could use in a paper, or for information, but he/she may be at the mercy of a computer lab with older browsers, without Flash, maybe they use PDA's in the classroom...
You have nearly eliminated all those options because your site relies on one or two single technologies that not everyone uses.
I use Lynx sometimes when all I want is information about something.
But, I couldn't get that from your site.
With a site like Gang Rule...I would think you would want everyone using it?
- unknown0
like this site iframes aren't compatible with old NS.. you cater to whatever market you're targeting.
- anon25730
I understand your argument but if you are going to use extemes as examples then so am I
why spend 10 days using these technologies you mention - when someone can download a browser in 10 mins ?
this attitude is mad ! the web is free to use - and people cant download something to improve their own experince ? if they cant download then blame the company or web cafe !
- unknown0
i highly doubt computer labs would have older broswers and no flash. it takes like less than a minute to install it and plus school are all about tellign students to buy new computers each year, so they have to have updated computers at school.
- unknown0
screw the people that can't understand how easy it is to install flash on their browsers. gangrule kicks ass
- anon25730
and to be honsest - being called lazy for not providing a plain text feed is mad !!
you know most mafia books are complete nonsense ? gangrule uses first hand information from court archives and police files - but does anyone thank you for the free research they receive ? no they moan because it;s nots compatible with there new PDA !! fuck that ! we are trying are hardest - why cant they !
- sp0
The web is free to use. So why should people cater to downloading something.
And, 10 minutes is untrue.
Not everyone uses broadband. Downloading in current browser on modem will take over an hour.
Not to mention WIFI.
The majority of Mid-west users can't get broadband access where they live. What about them? That's an entire region excluded.
Besides, it doesn't take 10 days to upload a parser script. And, it takes much less time to code a web site in well-formed xhtml than in poorly written html 4.
Especially since the content and style are separate.
Even Flash can be made accessible.
And, if any flash site is database driven (via xml or mysql) then the content is available in text format as well...
Small changes in the way web designers develop sites is all it takes.
- unknown0
sp,
the gangrule site is free to use. like jon said they didn't get paid to transcribe all the info over. if he was charging for the site than i would agree with him parsing the info to all text but he's not making any dough off of this site.the net is free to use, provides us with all this info, and he has provided a pretty cool site to check out, free of charge. screw the people that can't take the extra effort to view the site in which it was intended.