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- ********0
wort, mort!
- sp0
Or use Betsie. It's available as open-source and works quite well to parse plain text for older browsers.
Which is more close minded, though, jon? One who wants to take control and usage away from the people, or one who wants to provide accessibility to all?
- jox0
I understand what you're saying jon_, but I don't really agree with you. I mean, just because there's a new version of something out, we can't force people to upgrade. It's like saying "fuck cars from 1996, if your 96' is broken, get a new one". I know upgrading is free and all, but there are still senior citizens who still uses what their nephew installed for them 5 years ago, who doesn't know any better... And it's a pretty large group, be they your target or not...
- anon25730
all valid points .. but if someone puts a sign outside a shop saying " we don't sell milk " - you dont walk in saying " hey fuck you - you're a shop - you sell milk you dumb ass ". there is nothing wrong with being niche - especially if you are polite enough to explain this to people ..
- jox0
I agree with you, that it's important to explain to people. The question is how... Educating clients is one thing, it's actually a very big part of what we do, but what about the ones using these old browsers? How do we get to them?
- sp0
But, that is not the point of the web. The web is not a niche market. The web is not TV. The web is not Print. The web is the web.
Comparing it to a corner store or a specialty store doesn't work.
This is what I mean, when people are forgetting what the web really is.
The web is an environment for information and communication for everyone. Not for exculsion.
Once we start excluding users from viewing sites (either by using only Flash, or not considering ADA, or not caring about older browsers) then there is no point for the web anymore.
- ********0
While I agree with the sentiment of being inclusive. Sometimes, you really have to make older browsers redundant and force people (a very small number too) to upgrade. This is a methodology being implemented by a large number of sites.
Comaprisons to the car industry are just bollox, as the infrstructure for a car(roads, etc) hasnt changed in years. Plus it doesnt cost much to upgrade a browser as opposed to the cost of buying a new car.
- mort0
all older browsers can read plain text html documents.
- ********0
what happens if your content doesnt lend itself to plain text. Or the result is so unusable (ie scrolling pages of reams of text) that it makes the notion of a plain text version stupid
- mort0
well at least the plain text version is accessible.
I like zeldmans take on this...
- 70sBaby0
Way too many graphics ...
Very basic!!I do not like.
- jox0
how many sites uses plain text? I mean without including it in tables, layers or in frames?
Frankly, I can't think of any..(except geocities "welcome-to-my-site"-ones)
- anon25730
>all older browsers can read plain >text html documents.
Okay, the site I am talking about is the history of the mafia in NYC 1900 -1930 - now that is not interesting to some people at all - so I would like to make it more of an experince with design/images/maps/relations - more of a coffee table book than a paperback ! plain text would not work - quite the opposite - I reseverve the right to exclude to preserve my efforts.
- mort0
the whole point is that you seperate design from content using CSS.
CSS compatible browsers will display your nicely designed graphics based site, and older browsers will show what they can - worst case will be a plain text version of the site.
- sp0
Then make it a book. Make it a cdrom. It is not the web.
And, ANY content can be transcribed to plain text. If a site has news, stories, articles, etc...it can be parsed into plain text.
Example:
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- ********0
or in some cases, they will go to a "please upgrade your browser" page.
- ********0
Well I tend to lean towards the upgrade your browser philosphy..only in as much as you push the internet world towards a standard compliance browser.
- anon25730
>Example:
>www.bbc.co.uk/I totally agree with you -
they are obliged to provide a service to the public - as we pay for it - but I don't have the time or money to provide a service that comprehensive - my attitude is -' if you cant read my content with all the pictures and navigation- then dont read it - i don't mean that in an arrogant way at all - but I dont want people only getting half the story ! It's very important - if i were a library or museum then - okay - different matter
- sp0
Exactly.
Idealy, I would enjoy if it users upgraded their hardware, software and browsers regularly like I do. But, it doesn't happen.
Excluding those individuals or groups (i.e. schools, government offices, factories, etc) is not only wrong, but hurts the overall usefullness of the web.
What if a potential high dollar client is looking to upgrade his product (whether it's website, software...) but doesn't know how...by excluding him, you miss the chance to educate him, and miss an excellent payday in the process.
How did that help you? It doesn't.
If you want to design specifically for one type of user, you are in the wrong industry...EVERY design medium strives for overall communication. That is the point of design.
Print is standardized. Inddustrial design, Architecture, Furniture all are standardized. The web design seems to be the only area people try to exclude the public from.
- ********0
sp: thats cause the web is new