Venezuela 2014
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- OBBTKN0
At least 16 dead in the protests...
- gov’t and ppl, sadly we all get fcked in the end, there is no way around it :( politics & wars... we are our own doom..helloeatbreathedrive
- WW3?Salarrue
- hotroddy0
Dictator Maduro order the Venezuelan US embassy to evacuate because he was 'cutting all diplomatic ties' with the USA.
The Secretary of the Organization of American States (OEA) said that they weren't going anywhere.
LOL
Next 72 hours will be interesting.
- Nairn3
- power to the peopleKrassy
- now that's a rally/protestfadein11
- Now imagine that you're one of the few remaining survivors, and all that's the Zombie Hoard, coming for you.Nairn
- It's true! socialism does bring people togetherGnash
- unfortunately it takes real life lessons for most people to learn about basic economicshotroddy
- That and a 1,000,000% inflation rate and risingtoemaas
- maquito0
Sorry, didn't find a better thread. Is here any Venezuelan, actually living in Venezuela, in QBN? Shit is getting scary... again.
- maquito0
Sorry, didn't find a better thread. Is here any Venezuelan, actually living in Venezuela, in QBN? Shit is getting scary... again.
- maquito0
This in fact hits me quite close, because the government of my country decided to support Maduro, and despite the bewilderment of the majority of the population, it seems that Uruguay does not mind that in Venezuela there is a potential civil war about to happen. I read this morning that Spain, France and Germany demanded fresh elections within eight days or they'll recognize the Venezuelan opposition leader as legit. Fuck geopolitics, fuck gasoline and fuck corruption.
- donde hay plata baila el mono
https://panampost.co…hotroddy - uruguay loves their Venezuelan oilhotroddy
- So does Trumpmaquito
- Maduro not corrupt, extreme inflation is ok? Sounds your are delusional. Ignoring corruption because it's your evil you're supporting.Hayoth
- Sorry hayoth, I didn’t understand.maquito
- I mean, Maduro IS a dictator. Not sure about delusion, but whoever supports him is in favor of corruption.maquito
- donde hay plata baila el mono
- maquito0
@hotroddy it seems to be around oil from beginning to end... when was it not?
- It's always been about oil. But the Chavistas have ruined the oil production and have diverted oil revenue away from the populationhotroddy
- like the oil for food program they have with Uruguay. Since they ruined all national production of food that existed in venezuelahotroddy
- the US is the only country that pays full price for Venezuelan oil. And Maduro is now FUCKED!hotroddy
- Chavistas made and stole billions with the commissions they made on food contracts with Mexico, Panama and other countries.hotroddy
- maquito0
http://en.mercopress.com/2018/06…
I actually have 2 venezuelan co-workers. Both living in Uruguay since 2014. One of them is a girl who used to work as CD for Nestle. Although she doesn’t speak too much about it, she resigned to the position, where her income was about twice of what she arranged here. I have met uber drivers from Venezuela that are actually Ingeneers, Doctors..
This brings me back to my first question in this thread and makes me wonder: who are actually Maduro’s supporters? Who stands in favor os this catastrophe?
- The 2,000 generals that have distributed the country amongst themselves.hotroddy
- When they nationlized the mining companies, agricultural lands, factories, etc they gave it to their generals. generals with ZERO eductation in such mattershotroddy
- USA has under 300 generals in comparison.hotroddy
- Apart from the Engineers and Doctors (who probably migrated back in 2004-2014) there is new wave of venezuelan which is not prettyhotroddy
- its all the poor and uneducated people (former chavistas) leaving the country in groves. They are prostitutes, drug dealers, sicarios,hotroddy
- causing venezuela xenophobia in all countries South Americahotroddy
- A peruvian uber driver told me that the new sicarios are all venezuelanin peru because they'll do the job at half the pricehotroddy
- https://venezuelanal…hotroddy
- Fuck.maquito
- maquito2
@hotroddy have you read about Maduro’s russian, ex-kgb, mercenary, personal security?
- yes. fascinating and crazy. 400 or so? Russia has big investments in Venezuela.hotroddy
- They sell them weapons for oil and already own 50% of Citgo an Venezuela Oil enterprise based in USA. Venezuela is heavily indebted to Russiahotroddy
- Providing 400 russians with food will be a feat. I hope they like beans.hotroddy
- maduro ordered all US embassy personel evacuated and return to venezuela. Many are not returning and deserting.hotroddy
- hotroddy-1
Mike Pompeo at the UN does a pretty spot on summery:
- oh fuck right offMilan
- like this twat cares about any of those people. these US warmongers have proven that countless times, but this time it's different?Milan
- the US helped build Venezuela to be the richest nation in Latin America before Chavez. So yes, its been done before and can be done again.hotroddy
- i know its painful for to you to hear that.hotroddy
- why did they elect chavez then? you think they got sick of their wealth?uan
- chavez sold them snake oil and false dream. Plus they wanted to stick it to the 1%. The 1% that created a middle class that is no longer.hotroddy
- and yes, they are only realizing now how good they had it. They were poor but had running water, electricity, and FOOD which they don't have todayhotroddy
- so, they were rich but nevertheless wanted to stick it to the 1% and fell for a demagogue for 14 consecutive years.uan
- The first 6 years were grea. They nationalized indurstries and operating them in debt. But that's ok because oil was at 160 a barrelhotroddy
- And Price controls killed local production. And they keep doubling down ignoring the cause of inflation.hotroddy
- And you forget these people are THUGS that want to convert Venezuela into madmax because that's the only world they know they can survive and thrive.hotroddy
- They've armed civilians who are above the law do whatever it takes to intimidate and execute if necessary.hotroddy
- what no one talks about is how they use race / colonialism/ imperialism as a reason to justify the destruction.hotroddy
- "they hate us because of the color of our skin" he once said on national broadcasthotroddy
- lay off the cnn there hotroddy, it's bad for your health.. obviouslyMilan
- my family lived it buddy. CNN would never air what I just saidhotroddy
- sounds more like a trauma that was caused by injustice from higher powers...those things take generations to heal:/uan
- today I was browsing radio stations from venezuela, hard to tell if I found any good stations, but all are broadcasting lots of commercials, that surprised me.uan
- but in general they sound like a normal country very aware of the problems the country is facing. heard some reasonable voices calling for unity left and right.uan
- heard also some calls that got shut down, when the caller started to promote ideologies.uan
- most of private radio stations have been forced off air. If you say anything critical- they remove your licence and steal are your equipment.hotroddy
- it's not about left and right anymore. Its about a group of crimimal thugs that have taken control of the countryhotroddy
- Sounds like what Tman is trying to do here. Makes sense.formed
- Fax_Benson1
This is an interesting read.
- from 2017Fax_Benson
- +1fadein11
- chavez fooled everyone.hotroddy
- and for author to admit he supported him because of his race would be considered racism if it were trumphotroddy
- hotroddy-2
entire country without power for 40 hours
- What a shame...what could possibly go wrong next?utopian
- popcorn.gifhotroddy
- arresting doctors for calling on humanitarian aid
https://www.facebook…hotroddy - Looks like #commicortez got her wish. No power for you.Hayoth
- It's called socialism, dolt.utopian
- bright side is there's no food in the fridge to spoilhotroddy
- hotroddy-2
going on 50 hours now:
- hotroddy-3
- hotroddy3
It’s 5:39 a.m. while I write this. Power came back to my Caracas neighborhood around an hour ago. During the last three days, Venezuela has experienced a nation-wide blackout: we’ve only had power intermittently in Caracas and many states in Venezuela have had none. I’ll know how my day will go, driving around to try to buy food or find a place to charge my phone if the power goes out again, all of this before the sun sets and that dreaded darkness falls again upon us.
The nights are the worst for me. We have to lock ourselves in our houses to avoid the unthinkable dangers of the darker version of the most dangerous city in the world. People shout from the windows to vent out their anger: “¡Maduro, coño de tu madre!”. They start counting from one from each apartment, they sing the national anthem... anything to release anger, ease fear and keep themselves sane.
The artificial character of the modern world has never been starker for me than during these days. Now that only cash, especially U.S. dollars, is accepted in the few stores that are open, the relative value of money is an abstract idea; the money in the bank is only worth something as a unit of exchange if there’s power and a system to process it. Otherwise, it’s just a bunch of figures in a computer that only people who live in a non-failed state can see.
However, one recent innovation on an old technology, that of books, is helping me a lot. I know hating Jeff Bezos is trendy nowadays in the U.S., but my charged Amazon Kindle is my last remaining connection to any idea of civilization. E. M. Forster’s vivid description of the class system in an Edwardian England that has more electricity than Caracas in 2019, in Howard’s End, is a balm for my exhausted soul.
After 20 years of hatred, incompetence, viciousness and lies, it’s difficult to find a shred of hope amid the chaos, even when you have the luxury of going online. Compared to telling your frantic family and friends abroad that you are ok, writing a burn in 280 characters about an already ravaged country plummeting to death while the psychopaths responsible for this remain at large seems painfully naive, seems a waste of precious bandwidth that should be used for more important business. But then I’m reminded that the written word is one of the few tools left to document these dark hours, and I’m using these precious time while I have power to state that I refuse to be broken by an evil system that has been trying to crush me into submission for 20 years.
I also need to ask anyone reading this to help Venezuelans see the light again. We need you. We’re a resilient nation, but we can’t do this on our own.
- Milan3
The propaganda line for Venezuela right now is, “We want to help the poor Venezuelans.” Well, if you want to help them, then keep America out of their face. Don’t force them to have anything to do with the country that came up with drive-through fried food served in a bucket and opioid nasal sprays. At no point does anyone look at the Donald Trump presidency and think, “Wow, that country really has things figured out. I hope they bring some of their great decision-making to our doorstep.”
- yuekit0
Let's say the opposition was able to take power. What would they do differently in order to fix everything?
- I mean clearly if you could go back in time 10 years...but at this point the country is massively in debt to foreign creditors. It's like Greece x 1000.yuekit
- one big difference is Venezuela has an estimated $14.3 trillion worth of natural resources. But somehow they aren't able to exploit this potential wealth.uan
- for one they'd be rid of a dictatorGnash
- unfortunately the destruction is so bad it will take decades to recover.hotroddy
- and most of the business that operated pre-chavez will never return.hotroddy
- some in the opposition want dolarize the economy. worked well for Ecuador. however it may cause even more suffering in the short termhotroddy
- gnash is correct, getting rid of a dictator and his group of illiterate criminal thugs is the first step.hotroddy
- yes, but the price Venezuela will pay for an invasion might not be what the people and the country need.
They need to get rid of the dictator by themselves.uan - ^ yup.Gnash
- Top Military ranks are too corrupt. Mid ranks are too scared bc many have already been jailed. Cubans have infiltrated the ranks and act like spies.hotroddy
- I know it will surprise - but most in the country are asking for a military invasion. It's the USA and allies who are not willing to pay the price.hotroddy
- and I understand. Why should we put American lives at risk? Not worth it to most.hotroddy
- The Monroe Doctrine is Venezuela's only hope.hotroddy
- How much of the population still favors Maduro? Do you think there is a prospect of civil war if the government was overthrown?yuekit
- So many times the U.S. has tried to "solve" a situation like this and it turns into an even worse disaster.yuekit
- ^ absolutely .Gnash
- Independent polls have pro-regime supporter at 10-15%. But the gov't will tell you it's at 80%.hotroddy
- the opposition consist of mostly unarmed civilians. The regime have all the guns.hotroddy
- Not has Maduro armed civilians that are above the law and act with impunity but Maduro has also given refuge you colombian paramilitary groups (ELN, FARC)hotroddy
- which control large portions of venezuela's interiorhotroddy
- so their won't be any civil war.. even though Maduro is fully committed in watching the country spiral into a blood bath.hotroddy
- They are quite content into watching the country sink further as long as they are in control of $$$hotroddy
- jeez.. excuse all my grammar errorshotroddy
- I was speculating about a civil war IF the government was toppled...what happens with all those heavily armed paramilitary groups you mentioned.yuekit
- The gov't planned for this (the only thing they planned) and many think an IRAQ scenario would unfold.hotroddy
- But I don't think many would risk their lives fighting for a failed 'cuban ideology'. Caribbean culture is not Arab culture or Vietcong culture.hotroddy
- the paramilitary groups (FARC etc) in the interior will fight. But the 'collectivos' won't risk their lives.hotroddy
- colectivos are armed mafia gangs that the gov't funds to control the streetshotroddy
- https://www.google.c…hotroddy
- https://www.youtube.…hotroddy