Venezuela 2014
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- ernexbcn0
^ that's crazy indeed, using the lowest official dollar rate that is, which is 6.30 BsF per dollar.
The black market dollar is at 188 BsF, if you divide the price by this one the price becomes reasonable and more adjusted to reality. But then again Venezuela goes against reality.
- ernexbcn0
The government likes to keep that twilight zone dollar of 6.30 around so they can brag that venezuelans have the highest salary of South America, when it's bullshit. No one can buy dollars at that rate.
Minimum wage is currently 5622 BsF, if you divide that by the bullshit 6.30 dollar that would be 892 USD.
BUT, if you convert it to the real world, using the black market rate, the "highest salary in south America turns out to be 30 fucking dollars.
That's the current state of affairs.
- ernexbcn0
Obama declares Venezuela a threat to U.S. national security
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/wo…
Thanks Obama!
- ernexbcn1
Bump!
Take a close look at the 21st century socialism in action:
https://www.facebook.com/fororen…
A truck giving away food. What's sad/crazy is some people are even enjoying the shit out of that, they aren't even aware they are being humiliated.
2015 venezuelan inflation 198% so far.
- whoops, seems the video is from Dominica, but similar scenes happen daily in vlza
https://www.youtube.…ernexbcn - The Dominican Republic aka that other commie country.O0O0O0
- whoops, seems the video is from Dominica, but similar scenes happen daily in vlza
- hotroddy0
US. Arrests the Son of President of Venezuela on drug trafficking charges.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-…
The kid was given diplomatic immnuity from his Father too. Does that mean he will get off?
- oey-1
BUMP!
- oey-1
BUMP!
- hotroddy0
Venezuela is Dying:
http://time.com/venezuela-brink/…
- hotroddy0
Another student was shot dead today in Venezuela while students were passively street protesting:
Captured by some people at an office. Although in spanish, I think they're reaction transcends any language barrier.
- hotroddy0
One more today:
- Hayoth-7
But Bernie Sanders is awesome and socialism is the answer. Venezuela didn't do socialism right.
- <-- simpleton talkingpr2
- people are dying. it's a fucking dictatorship. anti-democratic shit. people want to keep power under some idealistic pretense that doesn't relate at all.oey
- a simpleton uses insults rather than facts to arguehotroddy
- why does it seem only white countries can pull off socialism?moldero
- good point moldero. socialism is only as good as the intellectual capacity of it's people. that's why it will never work in the USA.hotroddy
- the middle class in venezuela are generally white and they are a minority.hotroddy
- we need to purge ourselves of evil socialism and get rid of our medical and social security asap.moldero
- our great leader is working on it.moldero
- oey0
what socialism dude?
where do you see socialism?
- hotroddy-6
socialism mixed with class racism...
the military is composed primarly of poor african descendants who have seem to enjoy beating up on middle class people with impunity:
I hate to be so crude but once "middle america" white voters become a minority.. we will elect someone like malcom x and white people will have it coming here in the states too. give it 150 years...
- lowimpakt1
it's funny when people point to the violence and poverty of venezuela as an argument against socialism.
They ignore the violence and poverty of other non-socialist states and fail to explain the failure of those states.
States fail for many complex reasons and overly simplistic socialism v.s. capitalism arguments are a waste of time.
- i don't have what happening funny. it's sad. and the poverty they are experiencing now is directly related to their economic policies.hotroddy
- which were once praised by bernie sanders and other western liberalshotroddy
- can be a bit more specific? which policies proposed by sanders, how were these implemented in venezuela and what contribution did these make to situationlowimpakt
- price controls - gov't put price controls on goods. companies go out of business. there is a huge food shortage currentlyhotroddy
- expropriation and nationlization - gov't seized evil multinational corporations to nationalize them- they ran them into the ground and are no longer operatinghotroddy
- hyper inflation - in order to keep up with all there social spending they printed money- more and more of it- the bolivar has devaulated by more than 2000%hotroddy
- it's worth nothing... they use it to clean their ass b/c there is no toilette paperhotroddy
- hotroddy - you are discussing a poor administration not socialism. stop generalising.fadein11
- and yes lowimpakt +1fadein11
- agriculture/cattle - they seized productive land which was run by 'Corporate farmers'... these lands are now arid b/c they didn't have expertise to run themhotroddy
- did sanders propose price controls on food that would push price of purchase below cost of production?lowimpakt
- it didn't happen all it once - it has been a slow domino effect over 18 yearshotroddy
- implement 'popular policies' to stay in power. fuck the consequenceshotroddy
- can you point me to sanders' most recent speech on nationalisation or the plan he had for this during his campaign?lowimpakt
- did sanders advocate or propose and specific policy that will lead to hyper inflation?lowimpakt
- i know what you are saying - 'not in my country' - we can administrate with more efficiency.hotroddy
- where did sanders advocate seizing farmland?lowimpakt
- hotroddy, can you show me where sanders praised any of these policies you mentioned?lowimpakt
- maybe in well educated countries like UK, Canada, Sweden.. but not USA, we are too big and backwards and too many mooches who will never get off the gov't teathotroddy
- Sanders... has built his campaign on Chavez-esque class warfare and has similar proposals to massively expand the size of government.hotroddy
- bullshitmoldero
- class warfare has been in full effect by the rich since wwIImoldero
- ease off the state tvmoldero
- we have the potential to become the greatest country on earth, if the US wasn't filled with a bunch of institutionalize idiotsmoldero
- ummm... you guys are arguing with a person who takes slogans for wisdom...pr2
- Socialism is an idea that doesn't work in practice.Salarrue
- moldy, right the wrongs of something that happend 70 years ago? How far back should we go? Are you willing to return your apt/land to AZ pueblo indians?hotroddy
- populist politics and class warfarehotroddy
- trump is guilty of it too. but his policies will keep people working not making them dependant on gov'thotroddy
- you are an idiot.Hayoth
- haha fuckin a its actually quite simplistic. socialism simply fails. it is its nature. this is why people need to learn a little philsophy. so they dont getdeathboy
- caught up in the branding of it all. collectivism vs individualism. high point with humans is ascending from collectivism to individualismdeathboy
- and lowimpact socialism is a cancer that grows. all of vene policy wasn't initial. Its slow growth cancer. Why ppl like bernie think i can take the same metholdeathboy
- ogy and produce different results. Look at the ambitious hitler. the stalin. history repeats itself, and most don't learn. unlearn what they tell udeathboy
- I'm still waiting for an answer to my questions. specifics and references please.lowimpakt
- Well, he is a populist. He praised chavez and said Chavez' Venezuela was living the american dream better than USA.hotroddy
- Apart from populist politics - I don't have specific parralels.hotroddy
- That comment alone should be huge red flag.hotroddy
- if you are looking for a 4 line explanation you wont find it. low. If you actually can;t see it you probably need to read books. check road to serfdomdeathboy
- hayek pretty much explains in many facets why collectivist gov always fail looking at where the idea came from and what happened to those who employed it in hisdeathboy
- time. Also a little history on terminology and how it changed over time to mean the exact opposite.deathboy
- if i had to sum up its failure briefly. Do you thin one man or sm committee can plan and tell everyone who to live successfully? Have u experienced micro managedeathboy
- ment and poor leadership in a workplace. A boss tellign you what to do which u fully disagreed with, but he tells u to be happy u do it for the greater gooddeathboy
- which is company. would u like all of your life that way. ran by failing turds who floated to the top? and when their decisions start hurting your belly for thedeathboy
- greater good you will be cool. u will agree. u will serve anyone in charge who is democratically elected. be happy we arent as socialist as othersdeathboy
- if we were you'd get what ever trump wanted. either he is a wake up point, or ppl fold into full blown dictatorship/sociali... mode to usurp him.deathboy