Venezuela 2014
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- Ramanisky21
Just happened
- "We need government!!" **puts fist in air
"Uh-oh, government bad!!" **throws rock
"We demand you rule us good!!" **gets run over by military vehiclebliznutty
- "We need government!!" **puts fist in air
- NBQ000
Shit hitting the fan it seems...
- A good insight into how UK will be under Corebin (deliberate misspelling).shapesalad
- ernexbcn1
Nothing clear yet. Supposedly this was planned for later but had to do it earlier due to part of the military bailing out.
- yuekit4
It's fascinating to watch the U.S. politicians and media come together during moments like this. Suddenly you get the same talking points from Republicans, Democrats and major American news networks. Former enemies like Trump and CNN now marching in lockstep.
It must be an officially sanctioned U.S. regime change action. If only they had bothered to ask us taxpayers if we wanted to be involved in this...
- 911 Never Forget
https://en.wikipedia…deadsperm - 50 countries are behind the interim presidenternexbcn
- the US taxpayer couldn't find venezuela on the map, let alone understand the atrocities happening to the country by a group of criminals.hotroddy
- "we'll see who's putins bitch" said trumphotroddy
- deadsperm - that coup d'etat is the reason Chile is considered to be a first world nation amongst a third world continent. Pinoche got rid of all parasiteshotroddy
- Not defending the Venezuela government by any means. But isn't it strange when you have a media all 100% sold on intervention,yuekit
- when in fact hotroddy is not even exaggerating that almost no one in the US can point out Venezuela on a map??yuekit
- Look at the track record over the past decade...Iraq, Libya, Syria, all disasters, supported by the same people who are currently masterminding this.yuekit
- the difference venezuela is in the western hemisphere with an already westernized mentality.hotroddy
- do you want to impose an authoratative anti democratic gov't on these people who only want democratic elections to be held?hotroddy
- do you want venezuela converted to russian, cuban, iranian, north korean type gov't?hotroddy
- where the only ideology that resonates to their base is that they are anti US?hotroddy
- because they already failed economically speaking.hotroddy
- Every single one of the countries you mentioned are countries where the U.S. meddled, tried to invade or overthrew the government.yuekit
- and failed.hotroddy
- and are those counties democratic?hotroddy
- I'm saying the U.S. helped create those situations through their policies. What if Cuba had been handled differently for instance? It certainly didn't work toyuekit
- blockade them for half a century and hope that would get the government to step down.yuekit
- cuba would have fallen if it weren't for venezuela. Chavez stepped in big time after the collapse of soviet union at the expense of the venezuelan people.hotroddy
- in exchange for information on how to subjugate your citizens.hotroddy
- I don't know if that's true or not but one thing this sphere of influence stuff makes clear is that it's not about democracy vs. dictatorship. The U.S. supportsyuekit
- some of the worst dictatorships in the world such as Saudi Arabia where people are executed for opposing the government and decapitated bodies are hung fromyuekit
- buildings. It's more about power and control and it would be nice to know exactly what deal Trump and his cronies struck with Lopez and Guaido before we signyuekit
- off on some decades long, trillion dollar commitment to socially reengineer that country.yuekit
- the US had socially reengineered Venezuela in the 60's, 70's and 80's when it was the richest country in South America.hotroddy
- and US literally 'engineered' venezuela's economy by providing capital and skilled workers in exchange for oil.hotroddy
- they set up factories, set up schools., transformed it from a banana republic into a very modern state.hotroddy
- Lopez is harvard educated, Guaido is an mechanical engineer so let's hope they struck the deal.hotroddy
- It's all for the greater good.
Pinochet did nothing wrong.deadsperm
- 911 Never Forget
- pr2-6
Tons of great content if you can only pull your head out of Left or Right camp ass:
https://venezuelanalysis.com/- sorry mate, that's a pro venezuelan government outlet, they've been doing propaganda for the regime for over a decadeernexbcn
- we know where your head is stuck.hotroddy
- it's black and white. not left and right. either your democratic or anti democratic.hotroddy
- venezuela analysis won't show the cell videos of protestors dragged out of their homes by gov't thugs and shot on the streethotroddy
- by armed gangs on motorcycleshotroddy
- but it's nice to see you found a echo chamber to support your theoretical ideology.hotroddy
- hot, where else will you see/read about the armed gangs on motorcycles of the regime opposition, doing the very same thing?pr2
- not sure what videos you are watching as the opposition don't have guns.hotroddy
- ernexbcn0
"Gregory Wilpert is one of the two co-founders of venezuelanalysis.com, together with Martin Sánchez, when the site launched in September 2003. He was the site’s main editor for six years, until 2009, and continues to do volunteer work for venezuelanalysis.com and is on the site’s Board of Directors. The Global Post described Wilpert as "perhaps the most prominent Chavista." Wilpert's wife Carol Delgado was named Consul General of Venezuela in New York in 2008."
This dude has been sucking that teat since 2003, he's a mercenary of the Chavez regime.
- btw I'm venezuelanernexbcn
- there was another guy on qbn who was venezuelan and into the culture qbn promotes. I often wonder what happened to him: https://www.qbn.com/…hotroddy
- he was living in venezuela during the 2014 riotshotroddy
- pr2-3
ernexbcn, have you even read an article on that website or Wikipedia - the place that can be edited at a moment's notice by anybody - is your main source of info? They are writing in-depth articles on how it's not as simple as mainstream media portrays.
Anybody who uses Wikipedia as a proof of anything either doesn't respect his/her peers in the discussion at hand or is simply a fool.
btw, i'm from ex-communist country.
- lol.. now you are arguing about facts?
https://venezuelanal…hotroddy - and all the 'contributers' live outside of venezuela. lolhotroddy
- So you agree that a regime change should avoid outside influence.deadsperm
- no, I think we need all the help we can get, and thankfully over 50 countries are supporting Guaidóernexbcn
- if you want discuss "outside influence" let's discuss the Cuban meddling in Venezuela for more than a decadeernexbcn
- I'm not interested in discussing "outside influence". I was just pointing out the logic of his argument.deadsperm
- lol.. now you are arguing about facts?
- deadsperm1
- does he also wear a 'I <3 Treason' t-shirt?uan
- https://i.imgur.com/…Gnash
- Pinochet overdid it and went way too far in his authoritarianism, so nobody remembers now he saved Chile from a way greater danger: soviet-controlled communism.shaft
- We don't usually see the global historical context and the danger Chile evaded with Pinochet. Communist Khmer Rouge had just murdered up to 3 million people.shaft
- Pinochet stabilised the economy and stepped down even though he didn't have to - what dictator does that?
Still, I agree he went too far, even if it was a war.shaft - economy (chicago boys) crashed in '82. he bailed banks out and bought for the nation some industries, chile had a hard time before economy recovered.uan
- the return to democracy respecting the constitution was a long way for chile, economy works 'cause it's a balancing act in free market and social securities.uan
- ernexbcn0
@pr2 really, that's your argument? the owner of that website has been living off the venezuelan regime for years, it's a pro revolution website, whatever you read there it's going to be propaganda for the regime. This is a fact.
- ernexbcn-2
I respectfully ask why all of you "concerned" about "outside influence" were so silent through all these years while cuban operatives were systematically inserted in key areas of the venezuelan government, including the military, national ID system and political police. Are you aware of the tortures they commit against political prisioners or military officials under their suspicions? Cuba's best import besides rum and cigars is repressive techniques, and venezuelans have been suffering that for years already, but hey let's cry about US meddling.
When Chávez mortgaged the country to Russia and China none of you even flinched, now we are in massive debt, due to huge loans in exchange of oil and that money was basically stolen.
We have almost A THOUSAND political prisoners, we haven't had free elections in years, every time a new "election" comes up the government jails whoever candidates they want based on hubris or simply bars the parties he doesn't like from participating. When people take the street to protest either the national guard or the civilian paramiltary of the government get to the streets and shoot live rounds to the people.
When the opposition won a majority of the national assembly the government ordered their supreme court to basically rule any law or decision coming from that elected power to be void, and they created a new assembly out of the air filled with people from the government party. But you are concerned now about outside influence.
Tell me, please, enlightened privileged beings, how are venezuelans suppose to deal with a government composed of criminals that pee on a daily basis on the constitution they created? thankfully we seem to have a way out ahead of us with the support of over 50 countries.
- TLDR: we need all the help we can get, send marines as a last resort if necessary, we are being ruled by stealing shitlords involved in drug dealing + moreernexbcn
- name 1 example in history where that plan worked out in favour of the people of the invaded country.
(I don't want to fight, nor defend the dictator in power).uan - Shouldn't you be calling the UN Peacekeepers instead of the US Army for help?uan
- My comments were really just about how the U.S. media covers situations like these. There is never any real debate about whether we should be involved,yuekit
- or what the plan is. Which you would think would be obvious questions to ask given the track record of almost total failure over the past 10-20 years.yuekit
- lol, do you really believe that the Trump administration gives a damn about the people of Venezuela?Milan
- uan: Panama - US got rid of a dictator/drug smuggler - and now look at panama. One of the more prosperous central american countries.hotroddy
- milan - it is in the interest of the US for Venezuela to be a stable country. They don't want the russians and chinese in their backyardhotroddy
- https://www.latimes.…yuekit
- ^ Looks like the military is actually resisting the idea of direct intervention. The pressure to invade is coming from people like John Bolton, who wasyuekit
- a big supporter of the Iraq War and more recently a Fox New commentator. Who knows what Trump himself thinks. Maybe you can see how this doesn’t exactly inspireyuekit
- confidence?yuekit
- Balkan's war is another great example of US leadership that stabilized a region.hotroddy
- and it did it on behalf of muslims who don't seem very appreciative of it.hotroddy
- ernexbcn0
This one is from yesterday:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/…
Maduro's nephews are in jail in NYC for attempting to introduce a ton of cocaine into the US:
https://www.reuters.com/article/…
Not only they have ruined a country while enjoying absolute power for 20 years, but seeing they ruined all sources of income, including oil, they got involved in the very lucrative drug business.
This isn't about who is the president of the US at this moment, this is about a country being destroyed by a gang and the people trying to get rid of them. Never has been easier to pick the proper side, I think.
- people only want to hear the half of the story that fits their prejudiceFax_Benson
- Only option is full on nuking.PhanLo
- https://panampost.co…Gnash
- ^ Socialist Isis, what a weird combo.PhanLo
- Bueno, yo creo que estás claro que la democracia ahí no funciona. Lo que le queda al pueblo es levantarse, todavía están a tiempo.Maaku
- ^it doesn't work because it's not a democracyGnash
