Venezuela 2014
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- Nairn3
- power to the peopleKrassy
- now that's a rally/protestfadein11
- Now imagine that you're one of the few remaining survivors, and all that's the Zombie Hoard, coming for you.Nairn
- It's true! socialism does bring people togetherGnash
- unfortunately it takes real life lessons for most people to learn about basic economicshotroddy
- That and a 1,000,000% inflation rate and risingtoemaas
- lowimpakt1
it's funny when people point to the violence and poverty of venezuela as an argument against socialism.
They ignore the violence and poverty of other non-socialist states and fail to explain the failure of those states.
States fail for many complex reasons and overly simplistic socialism v.s. capitalism arguments are a waste of time.
- i don't have what happening funny. it's sad. and the poverty they are experiencing now is directly related to their economic policies.hotroddy
- which were once praised by bernie sanders and other western liberalshotroddy
- can be a bit more specific? which policies proposed by sanders, how were these implemented in venezuela and what contribution did these make to situationlowimpakt
- price controls - gov't put price controls on goods. companies go out of business. there is a huge food shortage currentlyhotroddy
- expropriation and nationlization - gov't seized evil multinational corporations to nationalize them- they ran them into the ground and are no longer operatinghotroddy
- hyper inflation - in order to keep up with all there social spending they printed money- more and more of it- the bolivar has devaulated by more than 2000%hotroddy
- it's worth nothing... they use it to clean their ass b/c there is no toilette paperhotroddy
- hotroddy - you are discussing a poor administration not socialism. stop generalising.fadein11
- and yes lowimpakt +1fadein11
- agriculture/cattle - they seized productive land which was run by 'Corporate farmers'... these lands are now arid b/c they didn't have expertise to run themhotroddy
- did sanders propose price controls on food that would push price of purchase below cost of production?lowimpakt
- it didn't happen all it once - it has been a slow domino effect over 18 yearshotroddy
- implement 'popular policies' to stay in power. fuck the consequenceshotroddy
- can you point me to sanders' most recent speech on nationalisation or the plan he had for this during his campaign?lowimpakt
- did sanders advocate or propose and specific policy that will lead to hyper inflation?lowimpakt
- i know what you are saying - 'not in my country' - we can administrate with more efficiency.hotroddy
- where did sanders advocate seizing farmland?lowimpakt
- hotroddy, can you show me where sanders praised any of these policies you mentioned?lowimpakt
- maybe in well educated countries like UK, Canada, Sweden.. but not USA, we are too big and backwards and too many mooches who will never get off the gov't teathotroddy
- Sanders... has built his campaign on Chavez-esque class warfare and has similar proposals to massively expand the size of government.hotroddy
- bullshitmoldero
- class warfare has been in full effect by the rich since wwIImoldero
- ease off the state tvmoldero
- we have the potential to become the greatest country on earth, if the US wasn't filled with a bunch of institutionalize idiotsmoldero
- ummm... you guys are arguing with a person who takes slogans for wisdom...pr2
- Socialism is an idea that doesn't work in practice.Salarrue
- moldy, right the wrongs of something that happend 70 years ago? How far back should we go? Are you willing to return your apt/land to AZ pueblo indians?hotroddy
- populist politics and class warfarehotroddy
- trump is guilty of it too. but his policies will keep people working not making them dependant on gov'thotroddy
- you are an idiot.Hayoth
- haha fuckin a its actually quite simplistic. socialism simply fails. it is its nature. this is why people need to learn a little philsophy. so they dont getdeathboy
- caught up in the branding of it all. collectivism vs individualism. high point with humans is ascending from collectivism to individualismdeathboy
- and lowimpact socialism is a cancer that grows. all of vene policy wasn't initial. Its slow growth cancer. Why ppl like bernie think i can take the same metholdeathboy
- ogy and produce different results. Look at the ambitious hitler. the stalin. history repeats itself, and most don't learn. unlearn what they tell udeathboy
- I'm still waiting for an answer to my questions. specifics and references please.lowimpakt
- Well, he is a populist. He praised chavez and said Chavez' Venezuela was living the american dream better than USA.hotroddy
- Apart from populist politics - I don't have specific parralels.hotroddy
- That comment alone should be huge red flag.hotroddy
- if you are looking for a 4 line explanation you wont find it. low. If you actually can;t see it you probably need to read books. check road to serfdomdeathboy
- hayek pretty much explains in many facets why collectivist gov always fail looking at where the idea came from and what happened to those who employed it in hisdeathboy
- time. Also a little history on terminology and how it changed over time to mean the exact opposite.deathboy
- if i had to sum up its failure briefly. Do you thin one man or sm committee can plan and tell everyone who to live successfully? Have u experienced micro managedeathboy
- ment and poor leadership in a workplace. A boss tellign you what to do which u fully disagreed with, but he tells u to be happy u do it for the greater gooddeathboy
- which is company. would u like all of your life that way. ran by failing turds who floated to the top? and when their decisions start hurting your belly for thedeathboy
- greater good you will be cool. u will agree. u will serve anyone in charge who is democratically elected. be happy we arent as socialist as othersdeathboy
- if we were you'd get what ever trump wanted. either he is a wake up point, or ppl fold into full blown dictatorship/sociali... mode to usurp him.deathboy
- elproto0
Im arriving home, its 12:45.
Tonite 2 ppl died in the street, shotted by the National Army forces.
not just the capital city is protesting, most country is.
President said in National TV. that the "tupamaros" (civilians armed group) are working for the nation. by the time Maduro was saying this, those groups went all around the city shotting at buildings and setting things on fire.
if u get caught in the street with a camera you get arrested.
if you are out in the street past 8:00 p.m you can get shooted w/o advice.
Im a graphic dsgn teacher. 2 of my student are under arrest and 1 is missing, their families are desperated. Police are asking for 5k USA $ to set em free. (yes USA $)
Everyone here is trying to support the protesters, wich are mostly students.
Im trying to do everything I can, but things are rough.sorry my english, and the random words. Im tired and frustrated.
- :(oey
- fuck man :(ernexbcn
- wow, be safe. most of us can't fathom the situation you're in, let's hope it results in a brighter future for venezuela._niko
- elproto, mucho cuidado amigo. gracias por mantenernos al tanto. un fuerte abrazo, no tengo palabras. :(sea_sea
- keep checking in protohotroddy
- elproto, thanks for your message,
stay home and keep yourself and your family safeGeorgesIV - Tenga cuidado elproto, stay safe sir!Fabricio
- Cuidate hombre! Mucho ojo con esos matones, ya sabes como se las gastan. Un abrazo y animo!OBBTKN
- crazy.akrok
- yuekit4
It's fascinating to watch the U.S. politicians and media come together during moments like this. Suddenly you get the same talking points from Republicans, Democrats and major American news networks. Former enemies like Trump and CNN now marching in lockstep.
It must be an officially sanctioned U.S. regime change action. If only they had bothered to ask us taxpayers if we wanted to be involved in this...
- 911 Never Forget
https://en.wikipedia…deadsperm - 50 countries are behind the interim presidenternexbcn
- the US taxpayer couldn't find venezuela on the map, let alone understand the atrocities happening to the country by a group of criminals.hotroddy
- "we'll see who's putins bitch" said trumphotroddy
- deadsperm - that coup d'etat is the reason Chile is considered to be a first world nation amongst a third world continent. Pinoche got rid of all parasiteshotroddy
- Not defending the Venezuela government by any means. But isn't it strange when you have a media all 100% sold on intervention,yuekit
- when in fact hotroddy is not even exaggerating that almost no one in the US can point out Venezuela on a map??yuekit
- Look at the track record over the past decade...Iraq, Libya, Syria, all disasters, supported by the same people who are currently masterminding this.yuekit
- the difference venezuela is in the western hemisphere with an already westernized mentality.hotroddy
- do you want to impose an authoratative anti democratic gov't on these people who only want democratic elections to be held?hotroddy
- do you want venezuela converted to russian, cuban, iranian, north korean type gov't?hotroddy
- where the only ideology that resonates to their base is that they are anti US?hotroddy
- because they already failed economically speaking.hotroddy
- Every single one of the countries you mentioned are countries where the U.S. meddled, tried to invade or overthrew the government.yuekit
- and failed.hotroddy
- and are those counties democratic?hotroddy
- I'm saying the U.S. helped create those situations through their policies. What if Cuba had been handled differently for instance? It certainly didn't work toyuekit
- blockade them for half a century and hope that would get the government to step down.yuekit
- cuba would have fallen if it weren't for venezuela. Chavez stepped in big time after the collapse of soviet union at the expense of the venezuelan people.hotroddy
- in exchange for information on how to subjugate your citizens.hotroddy
- I don't know if that's true or not but one thing this sphere of influence stuff makes clear is that it's not about democracy vs. dictatorship. The U.S. supportsyuekit
- some of the worst dictatorships in the world such as Saudi Arabia where people are executed for opposing the government and decapitated bodies are hung fromyuekit
- buildings. It's more about power and control and it would be nice to know exactly what deal Trump and his cronies struck with Lopez and Guaido before we signyuekit
- off on some decades long, trillion dollar commitment to socially reengineer that country.yuekit
- the US had socially reengineered Venezuela in the 60's, 70's and 80's when it was the richest country in South America.hotroddy
- and US literally 'engineered' venezuela's economy by providing capital and skilled workers in exchange for oil.hotroddy
- they set up factories, set up schools., transformed it from a banana republic into a very modern state.hotroddy
- Lopez is harvard educated, Guaido is an mechanical engineer so let's hope they struck the deal.hotroddy
- It's all for the greater good.
Pinochet did nothing wrong.deadsperm
- 911 Never Forget
- elproto0
I just stopped by home to grab some food / supplys and take it out to the students in the streets.
The internet service has been intermitent, uploading videos its a pain.
Last night was horrible, no offcials numbers on deads, people reporting several missing.
Goberment sending army forces to Tachira state, internet and power service is shutdown there.
Twitter and some broadcasting apps have been very usefull on spreading info and getting people organized.
Some parts of the capital city remain very calm the whole day, but at night things go wild with the armed groups causing caos and army forces protecting them.
They shooting at buildings, crushing down doors and getting into civil properties.
I will be back later tonite.
- oey0
The Mother of a Venezuelan friend of mine, who lives here in Amsterdam, was attacked and robbed the day before those three people died in the protest.
She was coming from work, she's a doctor in a hospital, when three guys on motorbikes assaulted her and beat her up.
They almost broke her leg and hit her with a machine gun in the ribs and broke some.
He wants to go there to visit his Mother but she tells him not to go or he'll probably won't come back from there.
He doesn't know what to do and is very anxious about all this.
He feels impotent and despaired.
In the middle of this he has to keep on going with his life with all what's happening in mind.
I can't imagine being under such pressure and have such thoughts in my head.
I visited him two days ago at work and he was totally immersed in searching in the internet someone who could tell him anything directly from there.
He told me Twitter had been "shut down" the other day and independent news sources were having difficulties to put anything out.
He also told me that the day any of the kids from the slums gets hit and dies then the drug lords and everybody in these hoods would come down on the protests and then there would be nasty shit going on.
The day people feel that their lives aren't worth anything they'll stop respecting life and then it'll be chaos.- :( so intense and scary. good wishes for your friend.sea_sea
- He doesn't like any sides of the story. But he's really pissed off with this Maduro bullshit.oey
- And thanks for your support sea_sea!oey
- can't imagine having my parents beaten in another country and not being able to go to them?! insane.sea_sea
- shit man, I've been going to bed every day at 6am this week following the eventsernexbcn
- I also know this person from Sudan, he's a refugee in Germany. He saw his sister for the first time in seven years last year in November. He can not enter Sudan. Really insane...oey
- November. He can't enter sudan at all. really insane...oey
- where you from erne? i remember you telling me in other thread but sometimes I can't keep up. Sorry.oey
- I'm venezuelan but relocated to Barcelona 11 years ago, my mother is still in Caracasernexbcn
- i thought so, was not sure though. how are you hanging there man? i wish you and your family strength in this difficult...oey
- ...moment. i hope that the violence doesn't go further and that people can find an understanding.oey
- really don't know what to say as it's so fucked up.oey
- thanks bro, I'm torn this is too muchernexbcn
- shit man, this is sad, poor womanGeorgesIV
- total madness. so sad.akrok
- ernexbcn0
This one is from yesterday:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/…
Maduro's nephews are in jail in NYC for attempting to introduce a ton of cocaine into the US:
https://www.reuters.com/article/…
Not only they have ruined a country while enjoying absolute power for 20 years, but seeing they ruined all sources of income, including oil, they got involved in the very lucrative drug business.
This isn't about who is the president of the US at this moment, this is about a country being destroyed by a gang and the people trying to get rid of them. Never has been easier to pick the proper side, I think.
- people only want to hear the half of the story that fits their prejudiceFax_Benson
- Only option is full on nuking.PhanLo
- https://panampost.co…Gnash
- ^ Socialist Isis, what a weird combo.PhanLo
- Bueno, yo creo que estás claro que la democracia ahí no funciona. Lo que le queda al pueblo es levantarse, todavía están a tiempo.Maaku
- ^it doesn't work because it's not a democracyGnash
- deadsperm1
- does he also wear a 'I <3 Treason' t-shirt?uan
- https://i.imgur.com/…Gnash
- Pinochet overdid it and went way too far in his authoritarianism, so nobody remembers now he saved Chile from a way greater danger: soviet-controlled communism.shaft
- We don't usually see the global historical context and the danger Chile evaded with Pinochet. Communist Khmer Rouge had just murdered up to 3 million people.shaft
- Pinochet stabilised the economy and stepped down even though he didn't have to - what dictator does that?
Still, I agree he went too far, even if it was a war.shaft - economy (chicago boys) crashed in '82. he bailed banks out and bought for the nation some industries, chile had a hard time before economy recovered.uan
- the return to democracy respecting the constitution was a long way for chile, economy works 'cause it's a balancing act in free market and social securities.uan
- yuekit0
Let's say the opposition was able to take power. What would they do differently in order to fix everything?
- I mean clearly if you could go back in time 10 years...but at this point the country is massively in debt to foreign creditors. It's like Greece x 1000.yuekit
- one big difference is Venezuela has an estimated $14.3 trillion worth of natural resources. But somehow they aren't able to exploit this potential wealth.uan
- for one they'd be rid of a dictatorGnash
- unfortunately the destruction is so bad it will take decades to recover.hotroddy
- and most of the business that operated pre-chavez will never return.hotroddy
- some in the opposition want dolarize the economy. worked well for Ecuador. however it may cause even more suffering in the short termhotroddy
- gnash is correct, getting rid of a dictator and his group of illiterate criminal thugs is the first step.hotroddy
- yes, but the price Venezuela will pay for an invasion might not be what the people and the country need.
They need to get rid of the dictator by themselves.uan - ^ yup.Gnash
- Top Military ranks are too corrupt. Mid ranks are too scared bc many have already been jailed. Cubans have infiltrated the ranks and act like spies.hotroddy
- I know it will surprise - but most in the country are asking for a military invasion. It's the USA and allies who are not willing to pay the price.hotroddy
- and I understand. Why should we put American lives at risk? Not worth it to most.hotroddy
- The Monroe Doctrine is Venezuela's only hope.hotroddy
- How much of the population still favors Maduro? Do you think there is a prospect of civil war if the government was overthrown?yuekit
- So many times the U.S. has tried to "solve" a situation like this and it turns into an even worse disaster.yuekit
- ^ absolutely .Gnash
- Independent polls have pro-regime supporter at 10-15%. But the gov't will tell you it's at 80%.hotroddy
- the opposition consist of mostly unarmed civilians. The regime have all the guns.hotroddy
- Not has Maduro armed civilians that are above the law and act with impunity but Maduro has also given refuge you colombian paramilitary groups (ELN, FARC)hotroddy
- which control large portions of venezuela's interiorhotroddy
- so their won't be any civil war.. even though Maduro is fully committed in watching the country spiral into a blood bath.hotroddy
- They are quite content into watching the country sink further as long as they are in control of $$$hotroddy
- jeez.. excuse all my grammar errorshotroddy
- I was speculating about a civil war IF the government was toppled...what happens with all those heavily armed paramilitary groups you mentioned.yuekit
- The gov't planned for this (the only thing they planned) and many think an IRAQ scenario would unfold.hotroddy
- But I don't think many would risk their lives fighting for a failed 'cuban ideology'. Caribbean culture is not Arab culture or Vietcong culture.hotroddy
- the paramilitary groups (FARC etc) in the interior will fight. But the 'collectivos' won't risk their lives.hotroddy
- colectivos are armed mafia gangs that the gov't funds to control the streetshotroddy
- https://www.google.c…hotroddy
- https://www.youtube.…hotroddy
- hotroddy3
It’s 5:39 a.m. while I write this. Power came back to my Caracas neighborhood around an hour ago. During the last three days, Venezuela has experienced a nation-wide blackout: we’ve only had power intermittently in Caracas and many states in Venezuela have had none. I’ll know how my day will go, driving around to try to buy food or find a place to charge my phone if the power goes out again, all of this before the sun sets and that dreaded darkness falls again upon us.
The nights are the worst for me. We have to lock ourselves in our houses to avoid the unthinkable dangers of the darker version of the most dangerous city in the world. People shout from the windows to vent out their anger: “¡Maduro, coño de tu madre!”. They start counting from one from each apartment, they sing the national anthem... anything to release anger, ease fear and keep themselves sane.
The artificial character of the modern world has never been starker for me than during these days. Now that only cash, especially U.S. dollars, is accepted in the few stores that are open, the relative value of money is an abstract idea; the money in the bank is only worth something as a unit of exchange if there’s power and a system to process it. Otherwise, it’s just a bunch of figures in a computer that only people who live in a non-failed state can see.
However, one recent innovation on an old technology, that of books, is helping me a lot. I know hating Jeff Bezos is trendy nowadays in the U.S., but my charged Amazon Kindle is my last remaining connection to any idea of civilization. E. M. Forster’s vivid description of the class system in an Edwardian England that has more electricity than Caracas in 2019, in Howard’s End, is a balm for my exhausted soul.
After 20 years of hatred, incompetence, viciousness and lies, it’s difficult to find a shred of hope amid the chaos, even when you have the luxury of going online. Compared to telling your frantic family and friends abroad that you are ok, writing a burn in 280 characters about an already ravaged country plummeting to death while the psychopaths responsible for this remain at large seems painfully naive, seems a waste of precious bandwidth that should be used for more important business. But then I’m reminded that the written word is one of the few tools left to document these dark hours, and I’m using these precious time while I have power to state that I refuse to be broken by an evil system that has been trying to crush me into submission for 20 years.
I also need to ask anyone reading this to help Venezuelans see the light again. We need you. We’re a resilient nation, but we can’t do this on our own.
- Milan3
The propaganda line for Venezuela right now is, “We want to help the poor Venezuelans.” Well, if you want to help them, then keep America out of their face. Don’t force them to have anything to do with the country that came up with drive-through fried food served in a bucket and opioid nasal sprays. At no point does anyone look at the Donald Trump presidency and think, “Wow, that country really has things figured out. I hope they bring some of their great decision-making to our doorstep.”
- Fax_Benson1
This is an interesting read.
- from 2017Fax_Benson
- +1fadein11
- chavez fooled everyone.hotroddy
- and for author to admit he supported him because of his race would be considered racism if it were trumphotroddy
- elproto0
Its 8:30 pm. I came back home early tonite. People decided to avoid getting exposed before the armed groups show up.
This is a sumary of what happend last night, in a better english than my previous post.
http://caracaschronicles.com/201…
There are some post in english you guys can read bout how it going and a collection of videos and pictures.
http://caracaschronicles.com/Today we gave the protester first aid kits, and food. Some of those kids are already tired, but their hearths keep them warm and strong.
People is scared of the armed groups, but we are also scared of living in a country where your life its at risk of the delinquence.About the cuban thing, Im also a national athlete, my team got a Cuban trainer wich was very good, a nice guy and a ver profesional coach. After 4 months of trainning he didnt show up anymore, he called 1 week later telling us he left Venezuela and went to Colombia, he deserted.
Same thing with doctors, and other social personal that came from Cuba.
We have an underwater or submarine cable wich provide Cuba with high speed internet (faster than our national average speed)
We gave them a lot of oil and money.We import almost every single food we ate, and since we dont have $$ anymore to buy them we have a shortage of essencial items.
The people dont get to really see or enjoy the wealth from the oil.Rigth now Maduro is talking in national TV, same as every night, while people protest from theirs home, at risk of being shooted by the armed groups.
This saturday is going to be an important day. We going out again, same as today and the day before.
We dont want more deads, enough innocent people died already, kids are under arrest, older people are terrifyed, but still everyone wants and needs a change.As a graphic design teacher, its hard to teach how comunication works in a country where you dont have the freedom to say whatever you want. But yet we can find ways to spread the words or ideas as visual mensages and when those kids realice how powerfull and image or a visual content is their eyes opens wide in hope.
Thats why I love being a teacher.Again sorry my english and the wall of text, Im just draining some of tension from this past days.
Thanks for let me share this with you all.
- ernexbcn0
National Guard destroying private property
- He must be either a CIA agent or an actor contracted by the "neo-fascists". Maduro's guys would never do this. NEVER!oey
- Or the car must belong to a CIA agent or "neo-fascist" terrorist.oey
- Or somebody drugged him.oey
- you should be press secretary to gov't oey!hotroddy
- thanks! I'm actually looking for a job. I can be a double agent as well.oey
- Fucking pig... He is just a small dick with a gun. Fuck this shit.maquito
- Maybe the owner of the car is banging his wife and he took the chance. We'll never know the truth.oey
- let's add some more wood to this fire.akrok
- ernexbcn-2
I respectfully ask why all of you "concerned" about "outside influence" were so silent through all these years while cuban operatives were systematically inserted in key areas of the venezuelan government, including the military, national ID system and political police. Are you aware of the tortures they commit against political prisioners or military officials under their suspicions? Cuba's best import besides rum and cigars is repressive techniques, and venezuelans have been suffering that for years already, but hey let's cry about US meddling.
When Chávez mortgaged the country to Russia and China none of you even flinched, now we are in massive debt, due to huge loans in exchange of oil and that money was basically stolen.
We have almost A THOUSAND political prisoners, we haven't had free elections in years, every time a new "election" comes up the government jails whoever candidates they want based on hubris or simply bars the parties he doesn't like from participating. When people take the street to protest either the national guard or the civilian paramiltary of the government get to the streets and shoot live rounds to the people.
When the opposition won a majority of the national assembly the government ordered their supreme court to basically rule any law or decision coming from that elected power to be void, and they created a new assembly out of the air filled with people from the government party. But you are concerned now about outside influence.
Tell me, please, enlightened privileged beings, how are venezuelans suppose to deal with a government composed of criminals that pee on a daily basis on the constitution they created? thankfully we seem to have a way out ahead of us with the support of over 50 countries.
- TLDR: we need all the help we can get, send marines as a last resort if necessary, we are being ruled by stealing shitlords involved in drug dealing + moreernexbcn
- name 1 example in history where that plan worked out in favour of the people of the invaded country.
(I don't want to fight, nor defend the dictator in power).uan - Shouldn't you be calling the UN Peacekeepers instead of the US Army for help?uan
- My comments were really just about how the U.S. media covers situations like these. There is never any real debate about whether we should be involved,yuekit
- or what the plan is. Which you would think would be obvious questions to ask given the track record of almost total failure over the past 10-20 years.yuekit
- lol, do you really believe that the Trump administration gives a damn about the people of Venezuela?Milan
- uan: Panama - US got rid of a dictator/drug smuggler - and now look at panama. One of the more prosperous central american countries.hotroddy
- milan - it is in the interest of the US for Venezuela to be a stable country. They don't want the russians and chinese in their backyardhotroddy
- https://www.latimes.…yuekit
- ^ Looks like the military is actually resisting the idea of direct intervention. The pressure to invade is coming from people like John Bolton, who wasyuekit
- a big supporter of the Iraq War and more recently a Fox New commentator. Who knows what Trump himself thinks. Maybe you can see how this doesn’t exactly inspireyuekit
- confidence?yuekit
- Balkan's war is another great example of US leadership that stabilized a region.hotroddy
- and it did it on behalf of muslims who don't seem very appreciative of it.hotroddy
- hotroddy-1
Mike Pompeo at the UN does a pretty spot on summery:
- oh fuck right offMilan
- like this twat cares about any of those people. these US warmongers have proven that countless times, but this time it's different?Milan
- the US helped build Venezuela to be the richest nation in Latin America before Chavez. So yes, its been done before and can be done again.hotroddy
- i know its painful for to you to hear that.hotroddy
- why did they elect chavez then? you think they got sick of their wealth?uan
- chavez sold them snake oil and false dream. Plus they wanted to stick it to the 1%. The 1% that created a middle class that is no longer.hotroddy
- and yes, they are only realizing now how good they had it. They were poor but had running water, electricity, and FOOD which they don't have todayhotroddy
- so, they were rich but nevertheless wanted to stick it to the 1% and fell for a demagogue for 14 consecutive years.uan
- The first 6 years were grea. They nationalized indurstries and operating them in debt. But that's ok because oil was at 160 a barrelhotroddy
- And Price controls killed local production. And they keep doubling down ignoring the cause of inflation.hotroddy
- And you forget these people are THUGS that want to convert Venezuela into madmax because that's the only world they know they can survive and thrive.hotroddy
- They've armed civilians who are above the law do whatever it takes to intimidate and execute if necessary.hotroddy
- what no one talks about is how they use race / colonialism/ imperialism as a reason to justify the destruction.hotroddy
- "they hate us because of the color of our skin" he once said on national broadcasthotroddy
- lay off the cnn there hotroddy, it's bad for your health.. obviouslyMilan
- my family lived it buddy. CNN would never air what I just saidhotroddy
- sounds more like a trauma that was caused by injustice from higher powers...those things take generations to heal:/uan
- today I was browsing radio stations from venezuela, hard to tell if I found any good stations, but all are broadcasting lots of commercials, that surprised me.uan
- but in general they sound like a normal country very aware of the problems the country is facing. heard some reasonable voices calling for unity left and right.uan
- heard also some calls that got shut down, when the caller started to promote ideologies.uan
- most of private radio stations have been forced off air. If you say anything critical- they remove your licence and steal are your equipment.hotroddy
- it's not about left and right anymore. Its about a group of crimimal thugs that have taken control of the countryhotroddy
- Sounds like what Tman is trying to do here. Makes sense.formed
- maquito2
@hotroddy have you read about Maduro’s russian, ex-kgb, mercenary, personal security?
- yes. fascinating and crazy. 400 or so? Russia has big investments in Venezuela.hotroddy
- They sell them weapons for oil and already own 50% of Citgo an Venezuela Oil enterprise based in USA. Venezuela is heavily indebted to Russiahotroddy
- Providing 400 russians with food will be a feat. I hope they like beans.hotroddy
- maduro ordered all US embassy personel evacuated and return to venezuela. Many are not returning and deserting.hotroddy
- maquito0
This in fact hits me quite close, because the government of my country decided to support Maduro, and despite the bewilderment of the majority of the population, it seems that Uruguay does not mind that in Venezuela there is a potential civil war about to happen. I read this morning that Spain, France and Germany demanded fresh elections within eight days or they'll recognize the Venezuelan opposition leader as legit. Fuck geopolitics, fuck gasoline and fuck corruption.
- donde hay plata baila el mono
https://panampost.co…hotroddy - uruguay loves their Venezuelan oilhotroddy
- So does Trumpmaquito
- Maduro not corrupt, extreme inflation is ok? Sounds your are delusional. Ignoring corruption because it's your evil you're supporting.Hayoth
- Sorry hayoth, I didn’t understand.maquito
- I mean, Maduro IS a dictator. Not sure about delusion, but whoever supports him is in favor of corruption.maquito
- donde hay plata baila el mono
