FUCK ADOBE!
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- utopian6
- got the new beta update, now working for me too. some really good stuff but also not so good results when generating certain things (especially people)NBQ00
- this is madIanbolton
- Yeah it’s amazing at certain things and not so great at others but I love that it’s all in photoshop and it’ll only get better_niko
- The generative fill maximum resolution is only 1024×1024 pixels, well that sucks!utopian
- PonyBoy4
I will grant you this (whiny bitches that you are)... There really isn't a 'hobby' solution for Adobe's professional digital tools like there is for more tangible professional crafts such as... woodworking (for example).
Here in the States you can wander over to a Goodwill (or a pawn shop etc) and find last years Makita table saw for 1/3 the price this year's model... yet still comparable. Chisels, hammers... all that shit you can buy used / refurbished (like new but much cheaper).
Same thing w/computers... refurbished yet like new in comparison to the 'latest' model. (can't remember the last time I bought a 'new' laptop from Apple)
But when it comes to software there is no 'refurbished' option and 'last year's' model may not even work w/your OS.
It sucks... but it kind of 'is what it is'. I guess If you're not willing to pay premium prices for premium hobbies... find another hobby. <3
All that being said— buying used shit isn't exactly 'cheap'— it's just cheapER. Painting and drawing-like hobbies also comes to mind. If you don't mind your brush not flowing smoothly then by all means by cheap brushes and garbage paint / canvas etc... same thing goes for pastels / chalk / pen & ink etc... you get what you pay for... creative hobbies aren't cheap... ever. (FFS Look how much money you clowns dump into your cameras / lenses... I read the photography thread!! You are picking expensive hobbies!)
You could always go back to being a student or a teacher and snaking that discount (which most students still whine about because today's college twat can barely fathom the idea of having a job while going to school)...
But in all seriousness...
STOP FUCKING WHINING!!! There is always 'Photoshop Elements'.
- LOL!oey
- lol Makita table sawmoldero
- Makita, the Porsche of woodworking tools... the Adobe of table saws!!PonyBoy
- (I obviously have no fcking clue what I'm talking about when it comes to working your wood but i think my point is about as obvious as an awl through your eye)PonyBoy
- Affinity offers very good ps and ai alternatives for around $40 a pop. They are called photo and designerfourth
- there certainly ARE hobby-level software packages available at a fraction of the cost (not nec. adobe), made exactly for hobbyists' needsmonospaced
- +1 (I'm agreeing with you, btw)monospaced
- but you kind of get what you pay for w/those 'hobby-level' tools... Adobe has it's frustrating moments but I've yet to see anything compare (corel or the like)PonyBoy
- Makita sucks, I think they bought dewalt and thats why dewalt sucks now toomoldero
- Way to miss the point entirely - in days gone by you COULD buy old software, on disc. Fucking hell.detritus
- If you want to draw on your computer, you can use any cheap ass hobby-level drawing app you want, and buy it outright. Doesn't need to be Adobe.monospaced
- Same goes for any other software digital tool. Get anything you want, but don't whine about software you can't afford and honestly, have no need for at all.monospaced
- I think there is no harm in pirating it for private use. Adobe even benefits from it because it keeps their marketshare up.mekk
- If you once turn a hobby into profession then you are already into Adobe software and some agency buys it for you.mekk
- utopian3
30+ years later and Adobe still can't figure out how to optimize their JPGs, PNGs, PDFs, TIFs etc...What a sad sack of lazy twats.
- LOVE me some https://tinypng.com/… panda!
Lolz.ideaist - Have used TinyPNG for years; To be fair you can tweak the export defaults in CC apps to get better results, but it still won't live up to TinyPNG results.evilpeacock
- Also IMO the "legacy" Save for Web panel is still better for quickly generating optimized graphics.evilpeacock
- Only sad thing about Tinypng is that they force sRGB on you. How about some Display P3 settings!?!?!?futurefood
- What about ImageOptim?oey_oey
- ImageOptim and others good too; TinyPNG does a bit better *and* is easier to use (I use a drag-and-drop app for it).evilpeacock
- Don’t get me started on Adobe Media Encoder....shapesalad
- Remember how moving to the subscription model was going to bring all these amazing updates?yuekit
- If adobe gets better at compressing files, where would Panda live!!!Sellies
- LOVE me some https://tinypng.com/… panda!
- nuggler2
We're using XD at my new job. It doesn't have rulers! How can design software have no rulers!?
- I don’t really notice. Once I’ve set my grid the only measurements I need are when I create elementsGnash
- after Figma and Sketch, XD seems lacking in many ways. Maybe I'll learn to like itnuggler
- XD is younger than Figma and Sketch, which may explain why it feels like it gets updated every two weeks.evilpeacock
- I'm really liking it there's still a bunch of quarks but getting thereHayoth
- Relax folks...It's Adobe...give 'em 10 years.utopian
- LOLoey_oey
- Tape two rulers to the bezels of your new iMacnb
- Figma is where it's atelektro
- grafician1
"Once I upsized the image using the Super Resolution feature, I zoomed into the resulting image and was very impressed. The image seemed just as sharp (if not a little sharper) as the original image file but of course it is massively larger (in terms of resolution and file size). Kudos to the folks at Adobe for creating a truly revolutionary addition to Photoshop."
- Source: https://petapixel.co…grafician
- Tech: https://paperswithco…grafician
- they may have just destroyed the 40 megapixel camera marketjonny_quest_lives
- This can be useful for photographers BUT it can also be used to upscale any logo then retrace itgrafician
- Not to mention upscaling any low-res artwork, photo etc. facilitating image stealing on a whole new scalegrafician
- So yeah, thank you Adobe, Fuck you Adobe!grafician
- Oh wait, apparently it only works with RAW files...for now!grafician
- oh no wait again, no, it works with any file: "First off, it works with any image file, whether it is a raw images file, a TIFF, or a JPEG. "grafician
- Can somebody update to the latest Photoshop and let us know if this works with iPhone images?
12MP iPhone -> 40MPgrafician - lol @ Jonny Quest...so trueutopian
- "Enhance, Enhance, Enhance, Enhance, Enhance, Enhance, Enhance, Enhance & Enhance"AQUTE
- I could not get it running with a test file that was 600x900px. On another file (a raw file) PS crashed.SimonFFM
- surfers nose enhanced or original?
@grafican it works best from cams that do no antialias job so iphone images so we should test it with iphone raw images.api - Guys... I didn't want to say anything earlier, because, like... but if you put your face 5cm in front of your screen - you can get your image super big.shapesalad
- i imagine clean exposures work best... having done res ups using both genuine fractals and adobe's baked in solution "enhance details"jonny_quest_lives
- it was often garbage in garbage out soI imagine grainy high iso stuff is probably throws the filter off...jonny_quest_lives
- but if it works as well as advertised on clean images one could theoretically run a product/photo studio with 35mm only and avoid medium format all togetherjonny_quest_lives
- I ran it twice on a 3D render from a property job I'm doing, 6780px wide to 27420px and its pretty bloody amazing.slappy
- 100% crop original
https://imgur.com/bx…
100% crop enhanced twice
https://imgur.com/kv…slappy - The neural engine stuff Adobe are doing right now is incredible. Not just this tech, all of it is amazing.Gucci
- Yes, superzoom works. Here's my test: https://pbs.twimg.co…SimonFFM
- @Simon can you please use that superzoom on this screenshot too, we can't see anythinggrafician
- grafician1
how can your parents be proud of you as a designer if you do shit like this...
- I know right, check my post below, all the icons are the same... From a design company, i mean dats the best they can do?Bennn
- dear mother gawd!!VectorMasked
- Subscription cash, baby! I'm soak-testing cracked versions of Ps just now, if they run ok then i'm done. I already own Lr from years ago.face_melter
- Did Adobe not read Apple UI guidelines? Or maybe a bug?NBQ00
- Why do you have maps, notes and reminders in your dock???monospaced
- Do you really open the contact app that often that it is right in the middle? Are you one of those people that leaves the dock open? Weird.monospaced
- mono stop bullying himNBQ00
- I have the Notes app in my dock, and I use it all the time.Continuity
- lol bully. Okay sorrymonospaced
- I use notes app all the time, as well. It’s in my dock. As is remindersGnash
- seems like a bug...inteliboy
- @mono that ain't even my desktop man LOL on a second look, I just deleted Notes from my taskbar as I never used it, thanksgrafician
- nice finding a screenshot of a dock that has the very icon you're discussingmonospaced
- ^it was from twitter, I could never expose my taskbar like that on the internets lolgrafician
- ideaist3
All of this hate aside, I JUST got accepted into the Adobe Illustrator for iPad Beta!!!
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Between the above and a stable font management solution, I am feeling positive about the validity of the "Post-PC era" dream of days past.
Lord, get me forever away from this desk.
Now, all we need is XCode / a valid code editor.
: )
- +helloeatbreathedrive
- Who else is beta?!
I'm anxiously awaiting the final step of receiving the "TestFlight" invite...
...Man, the $750-ish USD a year has finally paid off.
Lolz.ideaist - is that what they're referring to when they talk about someone being a "beta cuck"?
=DmonNom - If it's anything like Ps for the iPad then good luck. Almost a year later and it is still pure shite.face_melter
- Affinity apps on iPad are way ahead of anything Adobe can mockupgrafician
- Even with Affinity I felt the workflow just wasn't there, kind of frustrating. It should be possible to create real design apps for iPad but no one seems toyuekit
- be willing to put in the effort to do it.yuekit
- The main hassle is moving work between platforms, hell, even between different apps is a fucking ballache. iOS file sharing is pure fresh hell.face_melter
- ^ Yeah a lot of truth here; along with the font management "mess" it still feels like 1 foot in the future and 1 in the past.ideaist
- I'm in no rush to see tablets transplant computers in productivity, but I'd be curious to see a version of Illy that used gestures *and* voice commandsNairn
- Like, being able to describe a rectangle by hand but at the same time dictate "Adobe - Zoom" and "Adobe - Height: 20cm, Width: 25cm" or something.Nairn
- (spot who doesn't work with other people...)
The above would be hell in a large open plan office, I grant thee.Nairn
- ok_not_ok2
- Wot no Corel?Nairn
- wtf? no quirk? fake news!hans_glib
- someone's coding an AE shape layer style alternative, saw it on Instagram and medium, totally forgot name of it....shapesalad
- Affinity is making a killin' right now with their stuff, solid software!grafician
- Adobe still has the most complete tools/ features & services that no other can provide. And industry standard. The others are for hobbyists & amateurs mostly.NBQ00
- InVision ???utopian
- So tempting BUT also old / stuck in my ways...ideaist
- I tried Affinity Photo for a month, really good. better than PS on certain things.Bennn
- Gnash7
PSA
When it's time to renew your subscription just log into your account online, click "manage account", click "Cancel your subscription" and then "too expensive" from the list reasons. An option will come up to chat with a rep about some 'special offers" -- right away I was offered $29/month with 3 months free for the full suite
- sweet. is this for a whole year?_niko
- Yup :)Gnash
- just did this. 50% off... noooice. xRumperChunk
- Nice :)Gnash
- prophetone4
They still haven't fixed the Indesign bug re: nudge workspace screen then it suddenly pops to 125% of you screen height so you can't even see or grab bottom right corner. Gotta close doc and reopen to reset it. Been this way for years. Drives me bonkers.
- This has been going on for at least a year now, no fix insight.utopian
- I bump my res up to stupid, shrink the window then back to normal res. Irritating in the extremesausages
- It just did it again... opened fresh, messed with an image box a little then BOOMprophetone
- Going back to stable 'ol Quark 3.32prophetone
- Aldus PageMaker just called...utopian
- Was just building out a flyer handout - spent 45mins and it kaboomed like 4 timesprophetone
- They should just rename InDesign to Kabooom!
https://youtu.be/FkN…prophetone - I use indesign all the time. What is this you’re doing? What’s nudge workspace?monospaced
- Open InDesign... grab a corner of an image box, move it a bit... boom... but not always it’s randomprophetone
- Or... open fresh, grab bottom right corner of my doc window so I can make it smaller, see a desktop folder with images so I can drag and drop into doc, boomprophetone
- doc window flashes and is suddenly 120% ish taller than my monitor”s viewport instead of snapped along bottomprophetone
- I’m running a couple Mac OSes behind but stable on a MacBook M1 so should be solid goldprophetone
- totally random, totally heinous broprophetone
- i keep telling you - that "rental" is nothing more than a gangster protection racket. fuck adobe.hans_glib
- I have never experienced any issues like this. I use command tab to cycle through apps while “dragging” so I don’t have to resize windows.monospaced
- You’re having issues resizing an image frame?monospaced
- I’m not having issues, InDesign on the other handprophetone
- NBQ002
CC 2023 is out. I'm mostly excited about the AE update.
- The mattes thing is decentPhanLo
- And native H.264 render back, finally.NBQ00
- still using 2021 due to all the bugs in 2022... will wait a few months to see if it's also buggy...shapesalad
- Haven't opened Photoshop in months...grafician
- YESSS!!!Projectile
- The H264 will save about a day of my life next yeartoemaas
- Foundry NukeApeRobot
- grafician4
- Nice. Surely in the useful thread?MrT
- Another $40 for a feature Adobe should be implementing for that sub you pay each month...shapesalad
- A liquify tool for the timeline. Interesting.CyBrainX
- Fuck Adobe but I like plugins so I can bloat the software in the way I choose ❤MrT
- DopeYakuZoku
- Super Nicerobthelad
- PhanLo0
- so after it failed in Photoshop, not they add 3D to Ai
smhgrafician - oh good, add more bloat and don't fix all the shite I've gained grey hairs from.shapesalad
- yeah.. that seems shit. why couldn't they make a 3d cube system, that is all vectors, allows groups, and has a simple soft shadow that renders as gradient.shapesalad
- something like that would spur a whole new style of illustration. or a spline sweep too. simple 3d tools, no bloat, no ray trace, creativity unleashed.shapesalad
- Like with Adobe Dimensions back in 1993? That actually works better than current Adobe 3d shit. It was all vector and easy to use.PhanLo
- it's like nobody at Adobe even watches this thread!grafician
- FFS. Add some more half-baked features to justify constant updates to fix the half baked features and repeat. Anyone fancy starting a food truck?MrT
- Thing is AI already had 3D tools that very few folks used; Basically Adobe Dimensions was rolled into it long ago.evilpeacock
- This is not bad, we're playing with the betas for a few weeks, it has a really nice library.sted
- Look at 3:16... the shadow cuts off like a rectangleProjectile
- @Projectile, there's a shadow boundary slider where you can increase the area for the shadow boundary.monospaced
- The shadows being cutoff can be fixed by a shadow area parameter.CyBrainX
- As true as this review is, Illustrator's 3D is still way better than what was in Photoshop.CyBrainX
- so after it failed in Photoshop, not they add 3D to Ai
- Bennn3
The new Bridge need so much power from my computer... its nuts! Everytime i open it or everytime I save an image, the fans in my PC go full throttle 100% making a super loud noise... WTF
- lol, Adobe is bloated shiti_was
- in the Adobe forums, many people are complaining about it since 2018... Adobe do nothing to fix the issue.Bennn
- Adobe be like, “ if they’re dumb enough to use Adobe Bridge, they deserve itnb
- ID, Illustrator and PS make my iMac sound like a hair dryer after last update as wellsausages
- Affinitybocadeets
- “Optimised for the Apple M1 Max chip”Chimp
- CyBrainX6
Media Encoder: Probably the worst piece of software Adobe makes.
Recently, it's completely incapable of writing over a file. It will dork out with the goat sound instead. Isn't this something computers figured out 50 years ago?
- I get that noise if I have the output file open in QuickTime or Mpeg streamclip and try to re-render. Might be that?PhanLo
- On macOS Adobe software can't overwrite a file that is even selected in the Finder — might be because they don't use Apple APIs because other apps *can* do thatevilpeacock
- Just export ProRes 4444 and use handbrake. Save 1/2 the time.shapesalad
- mathinc4
Aight, last straw.
My wife caught a $29/mo charge for Adobe Stock in our bank statement, starting in Nov 2020. I thought she must have signed up for it (we're both designers). Turns out I signed up for it, but that confusion shows just how much attention I gave to that decision last year. So I chalk it up to me forgetting to cancel a monthly subscription (not a rare occurrence) and I log in to fix it. As I'm going through the cancellation process they inform me that they need to charge me $59 as an early cancellation fee. So apparently I signed up for an annual account. I looked in the credits section and I downloaded only a couple images right when I signed up. There is no way I would have signed up for an annual commitment on purpose.
After paying for subpar software for literally decades, and CC basically since it came out.. they stick me with an extra 'fuck you' on a service I barely touched. For a company this size there should be a softer exit process for something like this.
I barely use any of their apps anymore anyways. I basically live in Figma.
Fuck you Adobe.
- Wait wait, don't go nuclear yet! Go on chat with them, go nuclear, they will negotiate a lower rate, you tell them you can only do $29 monthly for everything...grafician
- ...or idk, try even $19 (that's wild) but they will agree they pay that monthly not for a yearly account and when you're done, cut the credit and that's itgrafician
- you will get some emails telling you the subscription is due, then it's done
Figma semper figrafician - I had this same thing a couple of years ago after a trial period went into a annual subscription without any notifications. Bastards.Ianbolton
- Managed to get it all sorted on their online chat thing, saying I have no use for their image bank and if they charge me, I'll find no use for their softwareIanbolton
- ^Incredible that we as users practically negotiate fees directly with an international corporation.
Imagine negotiating prices with Apple for a Macbook lolgrafician - they did this with me (on a secondary account i just have rolling for a clients typekit sub), hadn't logged in to it for years. got on to them and told themkingsteven
- and they cancelled and refunded, so i wouldn't assume you ever signed up or that it's not a common thing they deal with... cowboys ted!kingsteven
- just looked and it was Adobe Xd (i couldn't even tell you what that is) not Adobe Stockkingsteven
- I'll give that a shot. Would love to recoup some of that $. At least it might cover the rollerblades I just bought for all the kids. lolmathinc
- No need to pay to Adobe, download a crack from piratebay.i_was
- I cancelled my account and then got on their chat. They ended up refunding the stupid 'early termination fee' and I got them to knock my CC to $29/mo.mathinc
- Still: Fuck you Adobe.mathinc
- nice one, but yeah fuck emkingsteven
- dkoblesky1
Has anyone tried Cavalry? It *looks* like AE.
Thing is, the monthly license is about the same as After Effects.
LOL.
- just looking at that interface or AE's interface gives me anxiety...
serious respect for ppl in animation and motion graphics!grafician - Wow I must’ve been under a rock. First time I hear about this. Need to check out.NBQ00
- I tried it, has some fun generative stuff in it, but I never got too into the tutorials.PhanLo
- Can’t imagine it’s on par with AE and its complexity but yeah need to check out.NBQ00
- For a beta/1.0 it's the only interesting contender to AE so far.evilpeacock
- but....it is as if they are saying 'you want this because it is better' not...much cheaper
...dkoblesky - If I am going to put out $25 a month...I may as well pay for AEdkoblesky
- Got a feeling shapesalad had a go with it? Don’t think it’s a genuine AE alternative.MrT
- It’s not like AE. I used the Beta. It’s more an gui for code based graphics effects in a 2D vector space. You can do complex graphical setups.shapesalad
- Limited use for it in my opinion.shapesalad
- Best way to think about - it’s a 2D version of cinema 4D’s mograph, thinking particles and xpresso.shapesalad
- I guess there must be demand for it if they charge $25/moNBQ00
- I always thought AE should incorporate some of Cinema 4D's mograph approach to parametric effectors. You can do it with Expressions but it's a bit complex.CyBrainX
- just looking at that interface or AE's interface gives me anxiety...
- colin_s4
i switched over to affinity (based on recommendations here) and honestly couldn't be happier. i don't necessarily put as much work through them as i used to these days but so far have only noticed a few annoyances that come from more a developed methodology and not program inadequacy.
- do they have an After Effects like program though?dkoblesky
- Coming from CS3 to Affinity, it's been better than what I was used. Plus, only $50 a pop.section_014
- The only AE contender (so far) is Cavalry, which is pretty new.evilpeacock
- its a very different animal than AE, but Blender has pretty good compositing and 2d animation tools. Maybe worth a look.monNom
- Blender's compositing tool is ok, but its not After Effects. Cavalary...that was in beta recently? need to lookdkoblesky
- AE is truly unique. I would love to see the numbers for AE only subscription. I am one of thosedkoblesky
- AE is the main reason I'm still paying them. I use a few CC apps but with workflows in TV etc there's pretty much no choice. I like AE too if I'm honest.MrT
