FUCK ADOBE!
FUCK ADOBE!
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- Bennn14
Just saw this tweet in a Lifehacker article:
''Adobe is raising the price of a single CC subscription from $39.99 a month (already incredible) to $48.99 a month (genuinely ridiculous). How much longer is the software-as-a-service scam going to continue before we reject it''
SO, Adobe is raising the CC price from 40$USD to 50$USD /Month or from 53$CAD to 66$CAD
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No comments.
- How much do you think is a fair price for so many tools? $1 a month? or $0?
Ppl will never stop complaining.NBQ00 - 25% raise ladies & gentlemen! They're fuckin crazy.Bennn
- Adobe is made for you NBQ, if you're ready to pay any price just because "you have so many tools"Bennn
- https://affinity.ser… No subscription. €54.99api
- I will probably jump on something like Affinity if my ''fixed'' version of CS6 ever stop working.Bennn
- it's been $50USD a month for many years alreadymonospaced
- But i will never subscribe to CC again thats for sure. I'm not using it enough and I dont make money out of it.Bennn
- It would be a non-sense to me to send 800$/year to a multi-billion$ company just for fun.Bennn
- Problem is they will never do an a la carteHayoth
- then you don't need the softwaremonospaced
- It's mot the $50 thats bad, its that everything is now $50 subscrip or more a month.Hayoth
- such as?monospaced
- CS3 for life! Or until it stops working. Then, I'm gonna pirate the last non-subscription version.section_014
- Good luck running 10 year old software down the line.monospaced
- I am not sure what the problem is. I used to pay thousands to upgrade, now it's $600/yr. Pennies compared to many SaaS.formed
- careful, formed... you sound reasonable and lack bitterness... you may want to slow down there, //moneybags.PonyBoy
- i compare it to putting petrol in your car - you need it for A>B pay for it - yes they gouge you but if you cant do it - get a bike = opensource_me_
- Why are you complaining? You're not paying for it! Lolpango
- Once its up, I'm out for alt ways cos this trend will never end with only one sub service.helloeatbreathedrive
- You can download all the old versions for free. https://www.adobe.co…Raybandana
- I'm getting hit by every which way, cancelling mine & going alts or earlier or better ahoy the latest, already found them, scanned and tested. Work just as goodhelloeatbreathedrive
- How come there is no good alternative for adobe? No real competition compare to audio, video editing or 3D software.ApeRobot
- i tried krita and gimp, utter shit software.ApeRobot
- ^true, solution is free earlier versions? or pirated latest, either way enough renting.helloeatbreathedrive
- Bring back Freehand!faxion
- alternative choices (and free) for AE/PR: natron.fr (for comp+mograph) and davinci resolve for editing+grading (free version has 1080p res limit)seldon
- I haven't used affinity, but when our studio uses something like sketch we just have never-ending issues with client adoption. If someone could make a script...ben_
- that could convert files to work between the softwares that would be worth $50/month.ben_
- @Bennn
That gig on freelancer.com would have payed for your monthly subscription.
Go get yours!
https://www.qbn.com/…soundofreason - @soundofreason lol yeah, it make no sense you see :PBennn
- @Raybandana The link doesnt work, the page auto reload to the indexBennn
- @Bennn
But it do make sense. It totally do.
You get that shit done in a caplah days and have the rest of the month to get the extra cash.
#livinglargesoundofreason - link works perfectly finemonospaced
- As an Adobe shareholder, I approve this new monthly price.stoplying
- @mono link doesnt work in Firefox, tried in Chrome and works. When I said it doesnt work, IT DIDNT WORKED M8Bennn
- @Raybandana Those are not free, go read the pages, you need serial numbers previosuly purchased ...Bennn
- https://www.coreldra…PonyBoy
- triggered much?monospaced
- tigerred much ;-)Bennn
- How much do you think is a fair price for so many tools? $1 a month? or $0?
- PonyBoy17
My monthly cost for the entire CC set of Apps after taxes / fees = $53.14 US which is $637.68 / year.
Not even close to $1K a year allows me the opportunity to sit and work in my underpants and make a helluva-lot-more than I pay Adobe.
The cost is insanely CHEAP given what I'm able to create for my clients. Is it annoying when 'updates' to the software really don't provide something better? sure...
...but ffs STOP WHINING so much!! I and MANY OTHERS on this site make a pretty nice living thanks to Adobe. The 'air' I purchase from them on a monthly basis allows me to crank out Websites, Books, Ads, Animations, Signage, Stickers, Business Cards BLAH BLAH BLAH... the possibilities for either tangible or on-screen useful products from Adobe's 'intangible software' is extensive (and lucrative if you're not a whiny baby who refuses to learn and apply these Apps instead of sitting on a forum complaining that tools cost money).
<3
- < this +1monospaced
- charge more per hour than I pay per month, it's not a bad deal in the endmonospaced
- Can I use your Creative Cloud Manager, yours seems to work poifectly! But you're right, $53.14 a month is insignificant. I don't even really track the expense.canoe
- this is actually, the truth. actually.doesnotexist
- I dont make a lot of money out of it, i use it more as a hobby. So for me its a lot of money just to have fun. 78$CAD/monthBennn
- And i dont understand why we cannot choose the programs we want instead of paying for the whole bunch. The only package they offer is PSD+LRBennn
- You can choose individual programs for ~$20 each.monNom
- @Bennn that sounds boring pick them all come ondoesnotexist
- yep - nearly had a similar rant - 100% agree with everything. It's peanuts. Add $50 onto a job each month if it bothers you so much.fadein11
- I'll never understand people who argue on behalf and in favour of a subscription model, especially Adobe, especially in the UK. Stockholm syndrome?detritus
- not arguing - its peanuts - used their software for free for years and years - can now afford it lol. its a dumb argument.fadein11
- It's clever, you have your continuous payment system, and you get constantly hacked and monitored by Adobe, failure to do so means yoou need a new career. Nice.rosko_picachu
- Trueff.fyoucher1
- lol @roskomonospaced
- I dont see how to choose the software one by one on Adobe's websiteBennn
- all i need is Photoshop, Illustrator, Dreamweaver, After Effects and Lightroom. I would like to build my package... seems impossibleBennn
- Its possible to choose only one program for 20$/mBennn
- So you're saying you need 5 of the most powerful pro level apps and services available for the creative market, and $10 each is too much?monospaced
- And it's just your hobby?monospaced
- Yeah. I make around 500-1000$ worth of job from home. I have a full time job in a company. Basically my home jobs pays for Adobe CC and i have nothing left.Bennn
- i'm trying something today. Currently downloading CS5 W4R3Z C0p1, will pay the 10$/m for PSD+LR and install the rest 1IIegaIIy...dont know if the k4ack willBennn
- work having both...Bennn
- lolmonospaced
- exactlyBennn
- Still on CS3 for my personal copy. I use photoshop maybe once a month these days. So, a subscription would be completely wasted on me.section_014
- That's why Sketch is $99 and is going to kick Adobe's arse...robotron3k
- lol robo - sketch does 5% of what Adobe CC does - do you use 1 program? Fuck me, your silly comments are now oozing out of the politics thread into general lifefadein11
- Done. Everything works for now. Changed my plan to PSD+LR 10$/m and h4ck3d the rest.Bennn
- lol so you have up to date 2017 editions of two apps and the others are a previous version and you're gonna make $500 this year on it? Blessmonospaced
- all are CC2017. thanks. Will see if it works. I dont use the other very often and dont make cash out of it really.Bennn
- Make little cash from PSD, the rest is in the hobby departmentBennn
- how would you feel if you could never buy a car, the car always had problems and it was your only choice? I think this is the argument.imbecile
- are you saying you're enslaved to one company, imbecile? there's always corel :)PonyBoy
- which i use to much profitimbecile
- So your argument is shit?PonyBoy
- CyBrainX19
Prevent Photoshop from asking you to save your files on their cloud.
- +1PhanLo
- <3PonyBoy
- This is a game changer that we all should have hunted down long ago! Lolz.ideaist
- I found this setting while looking for something else.CyBrainX
- Topical, but my actual reaction when I stumbled across this:garbage
- https://www.youtube.…garbage
- Me on the day I dropped Adobe and went to Resolve: https://www.youtube.…garbage
- Thank you!SimonFFM
- doing this nowAQUTE
- grafician1
- : https://twitter.com/…grafician
- for approximately $20 billion in cash and stock. well...at least they fought as hard as they could.uan
- I can't evengrafician
- NOOOOOOOOOOOChimp
- How long before they start to bloat it with useless stuff like 3D animation.Chimp
- More like they will introduce 2GB cloud and 7 day trial
or simply roll it into Adobe XDgrafician - Either way, RIP Figmagrafician
- Yay!Gnash
- RIP Macromediapablo28
- OH JUST FUCK OFF ADOBEhans_glib
- https://penpot.app/grafician
- awesomeoey_oey
- lolNBQ00
- So what about XD?NBQ00
- Fe, Fi, Fo, Fireworkskingsteven
- Fuckmort_
- Is it true Adobe got Figma AND Ligma?kingsteven
- So they will kill Figma, and push Adobe XD. Like they did with Freehand and Illy...shapesalad
- Kinda shocked Adobe (and Autodesk) have been able to buy up all competition. You'd think someone would be concerned with monopolies.formed
- that's what I was thinking formed_niko
- Don't worry, if its like their other products they won't change anything, just keep charging you for unspecified "updates"yuekit
- @formed it's the US, this wouldn't fly under EU rulesgrafician
- Sounds like they're moving resources away from XD and keeping the Figma team onaliastime
- :'(instrmntl
- Had to happen... Adobe had no answer for the biggest growth sector in Design for the last 10 years. Legitimate existential threat to Adobe.jonny_quest_lives
- ^ Like Facebook buying Instagram, so let's see who will be the new tiktok of the design worldgrafician
- 20 Billion is the new 100 millionNBQ00
- Figma. It's saying Sigma with a mouth full of dry cookies.stewart
- Adobe's new annual subscription will be increasing by 33%.utopian
- LOL stewartmonNom
- back to Sketch?shapesalad
- Honestly hate Creative Cloud, can't sync, won't sync, can't find files...oops I've deleted all your work, ffs!mrAtor
- buy out competition - collect the patents so noone can do better ideas - kill innovations - repeat.api
- https://twitter.com/…BonSeff
- Nairn7
Today is the end of, what is for me, a very long era.
I'm nixing my CC subscription, just doing Illy, which I absolutely need, and am moving off my once-beloved Photoshop to Affinity Photo. I've been using Photoshop since version fucking 3.
But, I use Photoshop so little, and generally for really basic things I could've done with Photoshop 7(or whatever), so it's really hard to justify continue paying for. I really don't use anything else in the CC suite either.
By the way, Affinity are selling their wares at half price at the moment.
So long, and thanks for the fish.
:(
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Affinity Designer's a steaming mess to my eyes though, so although I have it, I think I'll continue not using it.
- Cue PonyBoy in 3, 2, 1...Nairn
- I'll be saving myself £370 over the next year, and about £410 per year subsequently.Nairn
- It's not much, monthly, but given I've been looking all my finances recently (I wonder why?), it's not an insignificant amount at the end of the year either.Nairn
- media encoder to cut and convert mp4 to gifsted
- I've been using the Affinity suite for a year or so. My usage is light, so it's been great. The only issue I ran into is it doesn't handle .webp files.section_014
- Doing the same at end of year when CC sub is up. I don't need CC like I used to. Affinity fills the gap now. BTW Affinity apps 50% right now.ETM
- I'm sure you know, but there are tons of vids on YT for all things Affinity. Good luck!stoplying
- I still use Audition, Photoshop, Illy, Bridge...sometimes Premiere and started now with Lightroom. I know alternatives to all of them except Bridge.oey_oey
- And I could live without Adobe for what I do but having all at once seemingly integrated and just there...I have all Affinity Apps but I couldn't make the jumpoey_oey
- huh? hmm... had no idea I made that sort of impression on you... I have little opinion about your post btw outside I'm glad you seem content w/your choice. xoxoPonyBoy
- I should've added a ;) or something thereNairn
- How is Affinity Photo vs Lightroom? I've dabbled in Darktable, and I fucking hate it.garbage
- I've been told so many times that you get used to the quirkiness of Darktable, but again: I fucking hate it.garbage
- just pirate the Adobe stuff, it's easier than it has ever been to get them workiing - some torrents come pre-cracked.face_melter
- Urgh.
Darktable is to Lightroom as GIMP is to Photoshop.
Fuck it up the ass. To death.Continuity - @face Yeah, I think the future is, as one colleague so eloquently put it when CC launched, "less than legal".garbage
- @Cont It makes no sense. Somebody tried to give me the "Darktable is to Lightroom as Resolve is to Premiere". Demonstrably false.garbage
- i would not disagree with your comment about aff designer. it is inferior to ai in many ways. i'm forcing myself to persevere, but have cs3 as backup.hans_glib
- @hans I don't know if you remember, but in a graffiti thread I made a joke about tagging your name. It got buffed before I could get a flick..garbage
- ..seriously quick, it was gone in the morning. But know for one night there was an electrical box in Seattle that said "HANS GLIB LIVES".garbage
- RawTherapee?oey_oey
- @garbage my fifteen minutes of fame right therehans_glib
- Back on topic, though ... I haven't used Designer, but I have used Publisher, and it's mostly pretty good, except for the layers palette behaviour.Continuity
- A Designer...no trace...oey_oey
- Designer needs a lot of work in the UX/workflow area, and needs accessibility features for PDFs added.i_monk
- autoflavour16
Fuck Adobe. So fucked
- Bennn11
- thank you Adobe!
#blessBennn - :D:D:D ahahasted
- loll I mean fuck adobe!helloeatbreathedrive
- Lolben_
- 99% sure to crash on 100% of launch attempts.ben_
- It's fake. Isn't it?boobs
- Nothing gets past you, boobs.Nairn
- Ha. Had a letter from Sky TV today to say their charges are going up.
A bold move given the lack of events they're going to be showing.webazoot - lol "a bold move.."Nairn
- thank you Adobe!
- Bennn5
It's official, I've dumped Adobe from my computer. After all those years.. it's weird.
I replaced Photoshop by Affinity Photo
I replaced Illustrator by Inkscape
I replaced Premiere by DaVinci Resolve
Adobe Bridge is free, I always used the RAW editor from Bridge to edit my pictures, so that will stay, nice.- oops, just noticed Camera RAW in Bridge needs Photoshop to work ... damn!Bennn
- lolmonospaced
- https://www.darktabl…zarkonite
- nice pioneer spirithotroddy
- thanks for the reminder zarkonite, i will check out Darktable. I was about to buy DxO Photo Lab, maybe DT is good enoughBennn
- Oh, I thought you were looking for free stuff. Have you tried CaptureOne? it's pretty much the best for RAW editing.zarkonite
- god speed young warrior. hopefully this all works out for you.capn_ron
- @benn, right decision. i dumped their bitch ass almost 2 months ago, never look back +helloeatbreathedrive
- I tried the demo of Capture One and didnt like it. Im running the demo of DxO atm and really like itBennn
- Resolve is incredible.inteliboy
- Until adobe buys all these little companies..._niko
- Polarr Photo Editor Pro on a Mac instead of Camera Raw...also Affinity Photo develops so need for Camera Raw/Photoshopgrafician
- yup, i'm also migrating to affinity. photo is much better than designer tho...hans_glib
- what sucks tho is Affinity cant open every Photoshop files correctly, that bothers me big time atmBennn
- @Bennn get the latest updates, many PSD import/export improvementsgrafician
- remind me never to work with you ;)Projectile
- thanks, iam gonna test that davinci softwareneverscared
- ideaist5
"The price of Adobe Creative Cloud All Apps will change to US$52.99/month on your renewal date of 4/19/2018. A reminder email will be sent to you as your renewal date gets closer."
CAD$67.95 for me... $815.40 / year, basically until I'm dead...
*sigh*
- i've said it before and i'll say it again. it's extortion, pure and simplehans_glib
- it's gonna suck when my 40% off expiresGnash
- in the end, it's still way less than one hour worth of billing per month. Think about what a cab driver needs to spend on his means of industryGnash
- BREXIT! Wait.. nup. Just a price increase, because they have us by the balls and can do whatever they wish. Yaay!detritus
- @gnash - exactly. I agree 100% on that comment.fadein11
- I'm mostly just bitching; it's a "death & taxes" argument. Should be "death, taxes & adobe fees".
: )ideaist - ^OBBTKN
- lol. its just such a low expense. even compared to most professional fees paid in other industries. or insurance etc. its just peanuts. I honestly don't get itfadein11
- from my point of view, I got all there shit for free for decades, I can now afford to buy it (or my clients can)fadein11
- their*fadein11
- hey look, it's this pointless dreary go round again.detritus
- Haha; sorry I incited this! It should have been in the "blog" thread perhaps...ideaist
- 52.99usd = £38. Currently paying £49... so good news?shapesalad
- Considering at least 80% of PS, Illy, AE is pretty much same as it was 10+ years ago. It's a lot. We paid full price back in the day.shapesalad
- Now we subscribe for the same features code that we already paid for 10 years ago, bar a few extra novelty filters and effects.shapesalad
- you paid?fadein11
- Fadein, I'm buying you a pint. and true, most had just become accustomed to pirated prices.Gnash
- (side note - imagine if you had to pay for all the fonts we've all accumulated over the years... I shudder at that)Gnash
- (also, I've paid for all my adobe since illustrator 88. the only software I pirated was quark -- fuck you Quark!)Gnash
- This is fucking peanuts for access to the whole Creative Cloud?!! 1/2 of an hour of billed work pays for it.davey_g
- Buying you one back gnash. sorry about that other shit by the way. Whether I am an idiot or not we would have a happier discussion over a beer I am sure.fadein11
- Ooh, what did I miss?detritus
- we were discussing whether gingers were considered a separate race, or not.Gnash
- they should deduct a buck or two every time i run into a bug in animatefuturefood
- Time t' put on me hook hand, eye patch 'n peg leg...yarr!ok_not_ok
- Race? I'm not even sure they're the same species.detritus
- (lol)Gnash
- If you cancel, they sometimes have a promotion of $29 a month for renewalpinkfloyd
- lol det and gnashfadein11
- if you cancel they charge you a $250 fee, so report that credit card as lost before you do it.GuyFawkes
- I should rephrase, once you're 1 year contract has ended and you don't renew, they offered a rate of $29 per monthpinkfloyd
- BrokenHD7
This just reminded me I needed to cancel my plan, since I get a full subscription through work. Been subscribing for like 4 years, this is now year 5. So I called just now. He automatically threw me the ol' 2 months free bone and I explained it doesn't matter as its literally an unneeded expense at this point. He then tries to hit me with a $250.00 cancellation fee. I lost my shit, because when I called mid last year to cancel, thats what ended up keeping me on, that fee. I said at the time I might as well finish out 2017 then. So basically you have a 14 day window, (Jan 1 - Jan 14) to cancel or you're right back where you started, but they don't explicitly tell you that. In the end, he waved the fee, and I'm on only out the $50 for this month. I shoulda called on Jan 2; thats my bad. I told him don't worry, if I ever go freelance again, ill be back. Whats funny he seemed more emotional than me. Maybe call centers get reverse rewards for losing customers idk. Feels good to have an extra 50 a month I'll tell you what
- I miss the days where you just own whatever software came in the box. Call me old fashionedBrokenHD
- me too! Call me old.imbecile
- yep the good ole days when no small freelance designer ever paid thousands for software and just cracked it instead.fadein11
- *sarcasmfadein11
- I just stopped payment and let the thing work itself out. They never threatened a fee, I don't think they can!monospaced
- They certainly called and emailed me dozens of times to figure out why they couldn't charge me. I just don't use it at home as much anymore.monospaced
- I had this happen, but because you have a subscription with work they can't charge you the cancellation fee. It's in their TOS.zarkonite
- They needs your money, thry only made 8,000,000,000$ las yearBennn
- Go for Affinity products - you pay for it and its yours ...old skool style ,they way it should be.dee-dubs
- Yes. https://affinity.ser…ETM
- Affinity has come a long way and has 95% of the daily workhorse features you need and none of the glutinous fluff you don't.ETM
- Same as mono. I also use privacy.com for the extra bs we sometimes have to deal with with subscriptions.notype
- Continuous Payment Authority shit i asked to speak with the merchant in charge of my account. When i asked if it was virtual it all got cancelled quickly, butrosko_picachu
- NBQ004
Seriously? The new Photoshop 2020 app icon is the only one with a new rounded icon look (apart from XD) while all other 2020 apps use the same squared icon look?
It now looks so inconsistent and when you have them in the dock.
- oh noes! teh horror!hans_glib
- Yeah, this irks me BUT I assume they'll convert them as they become iOS compatible?!ideaist
- I prefer the square ones and would personally remove the outer strokes.nbq
- this bothered me too ... Dimension got a new one toomonospaced
- All my adobe apps have rounded corners. Perhaps you haven’t updated all?Gnash
- ( wait, I thought you meant mobile apps )Gnash
- totally unusablejaylarson
- the only one with white text... WTFBennn
- Oh that's the last straw... Cancelled my CC account over thisnb
- LR light also uses round cornersmaquito
- I like it. Feels new.misterhow
- @Bennn ... the type is really light blue, not white. Calibrate your display ;)monospaced
- :PBennn
- Considering Photoshop is the only one currently compatible with iOS, then it's a good idea.CyBrainX
- It stays!Hayzilla
- shapesalad5
"Adobe Muse Product Announcement
As Adobe continues to re-focus on developing products and solutions that provide our customers with the most value, we are now announcing the end of new feature development for Adobe Muse CC.
On 26 March 2018 we will release the final feature improvement release of Adobe Muse"
Good to see our subscription money went into a software, marketing + all associated business costs, only for them to give up when they finally realise what they built was crap, bloated and nothing short of a glorified template editor.
Note to Adobe: reduce our subscriptions costs by not wasting money on nonsense new products that you then withdraw after a couple years. Just stick to making sure PS, AI, AE, IN, PR work on the latest os's and are lean and fast. Don't waste money on new nonsense novelty toys ain't nobody gonna use besides a few adobe fanboys, eg Character Animator, Dimension. And bring back Freehand you fascists!
- what do you expect from a rampant monopoly? respect for their customers? i think not - you're just seen as johnshans_glib
- All I want them to do is add in opencolour IO managementmugwart
- no serious professional ever touched this product that was clearly aimed at the hobby market.fadein11
- In one of my last jobs the client wanted to convince me that if I do the layouts and wireframing with AI he could reuse everything in Muse...oey
- I told him, you're gonna pay as twice as much for a job I'll be able to do with Dreamweaver or whatever...but he insisted.oey
- The developer told him to fuck off...cause...what should i do with all these files? So client ended up redoing everything in Muse.oey
- just worse...oey
- So all these people telling me it was a waste of time for me to learn how to code cause there's plenty of CMS and there's Muse and Mackaw...LOL...fuck off!oey
- muse product is far from a monopoly. Weebly, Wix, Squarespace, etc..etc.hotroddy
- ugh. I get the biz model of 'throw it out there and see what happens' but this is so counter to creating brand integrityGnash
- I used Muse a LOT and it's fucking awesome, especially for regular designers who don't want to be bothered with the bullshit tech aspect of page building.monospaced
- bloated? no fucking clue ... all pages were lightning fast and gorgeous, pixel perfect, ALWAYS WYSIWYG, every single time ... it was a godsend!monospaced
- hobbyist? sure, that's maybe how they marketed it, but in all honestly, that's all most people really needs in a site IMOmonospaced
- you're obviously not a "serious professional" mono /sGnash
- btw, I agree with 100%, monoGnash
- I think monospaced likes musepinkfloyd
- Fuse is a fucking godsend for building VR scenes in Unreal - prebuilt animated characters? Yes, thank you.face_melter
- It's works well for mono, so the point is, why don't they keep developing it? It's a waste of capital to develop a product only to ditch it couple years later.shapesalad
- If they keep developing it, improving it, it could become *the* wysiwyg website builder for the design community.shapesalad
- If they ditch it, we all should see out subscription fees going down, right?shapesalad
- I did like Muse, and I'm NOT a professional "web designer." It was made for traditional designers and it works almost identically to InDesign.monospaced
- ok fair enough, it's not a tool a pro web dev would ever touch is what I prob meant. Sorry for any offense caused lolfadein11
- and you are the first person I have ever heard say a good thing about it.fadein11
- monospaced really love Adobee
;-)Bennn - and my point is that not everyone needs a pro web dev because Muse actually does a great jobmonospaced
- I doubt you've heard many people say bad things about it either, if any at all. It wasn't a mainstream product.monospaced
- I thought it generated awful code, like most WYSIWYG editors. That's what I had heard. But fair enough if it was good. I am certainly not preciously attachedfadein11
- to my opinion in this instance.fadein11
- Bad code or not, anyone visiting the site would never know. Bad code isn’t visible to users. Nobody gives a shit about code when the site is working :)monospaced
- helloeatbreathedrive3
Just for the sake of arguing, how many of y'all use their products w/o license? i'm considering not renewing my upcoming march registery. becoming a nuisance with the money troubles and all. can each app be used w/o lic and still connected online or work only offline?
- No subscription = no workymonospaced
- ^ i suppose maybe only with earlier versions?helloeatbreathedrive
- yes they work offline.sted
- yes they work offline. easy to crack.oey
- I did it for almost 20 years. now I just had to do it properly because of my deal with the unemployment center.oey
- I'm using CS6, you have no idea how quick and fast CS6 is on new computersBennn
- Apparently they're easy to crack - a client was talking about this the other day, saying he found something on a site called cgpersia, or something?detritus
- Yup. Works fine. Only problem is opening files from people with newer versions.jagara
- ah, having just looked, that site's clearly a portal for naughtiness :\detritus
- @jagara: open ai files in preview, save as pdf, open in ai. works every timehans_glib
- Does that not do weird things with object outlines and such? I know that when I place a PDF into a doc and flatten it, it borks outlines vs. fills.detritus
- ^def will try for a while see how it goes. many small stuff piles up to suck my non-existing incomehelloeatbreathedrive
- Man, my adobe cc expired just a few days ago...pinkfloyd
- Where does one get a crack?pinkfloyd
- Search for the site I mentioned - as I say, a client used it and having had a scan through, it looks full of wares and shit.detritus
- Sure does work without subscription. mac-torrents.com lolzM01XXX
- If u use Adobe products a lot and make $$ with it you should get a subscription. I only use cracked as I use only for personal occasional use. Adobe still bestM01XXX
- would like to get the "open source" ;) version too. I don't want to give them any more $ for likely 20% usage per year on my home pcnotype
- i guess i'll not crackpinkfloyd
- I mainly just use photoshop and illustratorpinkfloyd
- Never paid for adobecolin_s
- When you crack, you don't know what else that cracker is doing. You might have installed a trojan/keylogger/etc...monNom
- Do you do anything sensitive on your computer? Accounting? Online banking? Online shopping? Just buy legit software.monNom
- i dont do any shopping, banking etc. nothing is vulnerable except the files i work on so i might just go at it for a while.helloeatbreathedrive
- dbloc11
Adobe Tells Users They Can Get Sued for Using Old Versions of Photoshop
- Even versions they've purchased apparently.PhanLo
- In reading the actual article, it appears to apply to older versions of CC software. Not your old stand alone versions.ETM
- It relates to a Dolby license contained within and legal action Adobe and Dolby are currently involved in.ETM
- Fuck You Adobe!
Fuck You Apple!
Fuck You Google!
Fuck You Trump!utopian - Thanks Obamamonospaced
- M01XXX-2
Apart from some annoyances here and there I don't understand all the hate for Adobe on here. Their stuff is cheaper than ever. $50-100 bucks per month, that's like a cup of coffee every morning per month. Or if you don't make money with it and just use it for fun/ personal use you can torrent it. And their tools got so much more powerful.
Yes there are some alternatives out there but nothing compares to it in complexity and options. And it's also industry standard.
- No. It's. Not. Cheaper.
It IS, if you bought every release - but most people didn't do taht, preferring to skip a release or two.detritus - I seriously can't get my head around why people don't appear to be able to see this.detritus
- Huh? The standard "All Apps" per year is $53 bucks per month. I really don't get it how that is expensive?M01XXX
- A) I'm not US
b) My point comparison is previously being able to buy a release every 2-4 years, not every year.detritus - C) I don't have or need the whole suite.detritus
- D) Personally, as I've said repeatedly - I don't ven need CC except to open client files. ALL the functionality I need and use I have on my CS4 CD.detritus
- E) Once every fucker moves to a subscription model, then see how much of an eye you have on your monthly spend.detritus
- You're in London/ UK? It's £50/a month. You can't afford that?M01XXX
- F) https://i.pinimg.com…detritus
- If you just need to open files then why not just torrent it. Geez.M01XXX
- old days: start a trade, buy the tools for the trade, earn money. replace tools when required.inteliboy
- today: start a trade, buy the tools (software), buy it again, and again, every day, for years, decades, if not till the day you die.inteliboy
- If a freelancer makes $3K-6K or more per month you're saying $50 bucks/mo is too much? WTFM01XXX
- Oh God, here we go again. of course I can afford it - THAT IS NOT THE POINT. If you're happy being ripped off, fine - I am not. Nor are others.detritus
- @inteliboy - I actually wrote a long diatribe using your exact-same analogy last time I argued about this here :) ..detritus
- How are you being ripped off? Like I said, if you just need to open client files torrent it. If you make $$ with it I don't see how $50/mo is too expensive.M01XXX
- its over priced its a closed of system. It also is an ageing product. Its not compatible with other softwares and their colour management is dire.mugwart
- .. except mine added the conceit of a tool which periodically renders itself incompatible with itself, for no good reason.detritus
- A plumber kits out his van with tools once. can use for 10+ years. A designer pays £500 X 10 years = £5000 + how many macs? = probably same cost as plumbershapesalad
- I fucking hate adobe!mugwart
- ^difference is plumbers tools don't get upgraded every 6 months. They just work. His tools are solid and reliable. Ours crash and don't work when we upgrade osxshapesalad
- well, besides van, plumbers tools are probably max £2k if he went all fancy. Buy a used van, probably 10year costs are lot less than a designers.shapesalad
- I regret not going into plumbing. Independent, mobile, not sat at desk all day. Don't need to relearn tools every few years. Don't need upgrades.shapesalad
- Then stop complaining and go get a plumber job. I'm sure you'd be much happier then than moaning about Adobe :)M01XXX
- we shouldn't ignore this. Its a terrible ecosystem and one that needs to be stood against. Raise up your wacom pens and revolt!mugwart
- It's not hate, it's resentment - Adobe used to be a beloved company to me, now I just see them as money-wringing cunts who overcharge for the same softwaredetritus
- I've been using for 20 years now, and paying for for at least 15. It's the same fucking thing, bar some pointless updates.detritus
- The more this model's agreed-with, the more it'll be rolled out and the more you'll see how expensive and damaging it is.detritus
- ^ yep.Gucci
- I ran CS2 for 4 years and it cost less than £1kkingsteven
- yeah, but can a plumber open an illustrator file with a wrench that he pays for on hire purchase?Fax_Benson
- If I have £40 extra in my pocket each month, I can finally afford that distance learning plumbing course.detritus
- their software are slower than ever always requiring more computer ressourcesBennn
- You guys are so mean to Adobe.M01XXX
- i met a few execs in the olden days and they talked openly about the level of piracy and well aware of the extent. their business holds a monopoly for profitkingsteven
- and development motivated as insurance against it. photoshop wouldn't be in the dictionary if there hadn't been millions of pirated copies, with CC they controlkingsteven
- the tap. anyway, i'd find it difficult to have any enamourment for such companies. the fact i have to use their software every day and it's an utter pain in thekingsteven
- - hole. unsurprising really.kingsteven
- 1. You have no knowledge or whatsoever about a lot of things in adobe products because of the complexity of the tools.sted
- 2. Production tools are so f expensive for teams.sted
- 3. And the most important thing in my aspect of view: CC is a scam. they miss 10 year old requests and it's and online updated stuff WHAT THE FUCK.sted
- I mean i draw with vectors in ps since 2002 and it's exactly the same today. Including the import/export formats and options.sted
- And still we're using a tool what was update 3 times just in the last month. So
adobe products great
adobe development sucks.sted - I don't smoke, don't take any drugs, I don't drink much alcohol or party much. I make good $$ so why would I complain about $50/mo for all Adobe CC apps?M01XXX
- Again, "If you're happy being ripped off, fine - I am not. Nor are others".
+1 Sted, others.detritus - I don't feel ripped off at all for $50/mo with all CC apps and supporting future development. It's less than a cup of coffee each day a month.M01XXX
- We use the same core of tools and functions since years in Photoshop. They add a bunch of toys and functions we never really use. And it = more syst ressourcesBennn
- this feels a bit like a circle here. M01XXX, you asked a simple question, you got your answer. You may not like it. You may not 'get it'....exador1
- you may disagree with it with all your heart. but...and this is the point. YOU'VE BEEN ANSWEREDexador1
- and for the record, my company here pays for the subscription, I have access to all of the software, and I only really use 3. photoshop, Illustrator & Indesign.exador1
- for basically EVERYTHING else, I use FIGMA now, which is fucking incredible.exador1
- all my design work now is in FIGMA. only time I use photoshop at all (almost feels weird to open it up) is if I need to actually mess around with a photo...exador1
- no design work at all now in adobe stuff tbh, it's all done in FIGMA... i keep illustrator around because for logo work, it's still the tits... and indesignexador1
- for a once-a-month print project...exador1
- I'll basically have to keep adobe around for those 3 things... the rest is useless to me.exador1
- so yeah, paying 'monthly' for those 3 things feels fucked up to me too.exador1
- i too am tired of being roped, tied and strung up to be pounded in the ass month after monthfuturefood
- ^woops, meant for blog thread ;Pfuturefood
- You guys sound like you earn $200 a month. $50 a month for all the CC apps is cheap imo.M01XXX
- Smart people understand the difference between cost and value. When you get older, maybe you'll learn.ETM
- Many have clearly outlined the use cases where the product is hardly used, but required on-hand, and they have no option than pay an unreasonable price forETM
- it compared to it's usage (value). Let's not forget their difficult process for cancelling a subscription without paying a penalty.ETM
- If you want it on a true monthly plan, rather than annual contract, paid monthly, then it's $80 USD per month.ETM
- If you just use it little and to open files then torrent it, FFS.M01XXX
- I don't drink coffee!!pango
- jesus fucking christ...exador1
- It's a steal in my book. I get buckets of monies in return.fyoucher1
- Fuck Adobe for discontinuing Fireworks — the best web design application bar none for over a decade — and replacing it with nothing. XD... LOL!mort_
- ^what? You didn't like muse??? :)futurefood
- One full billable day pays the whole year of CC, one week pays all the hardware I can use for 3+ years.mekk
- mekk, fyoucher... M01XXX is the only one bringing up the cost. Most folks understand that they need CC and pricing less flexible/ more expensive than CS was.kingsteven
- it's really not that hard to understand that people have issues with something they pay for and use every day.kingsteven
- No. It's. Not. Cheaper.
- Bennn3
Well, that was easy...
Just contacted them by chat. It went like this :- Hi I would like the Black Friday please, a friend of mine got it yesterday.
- Yes. Sure.
So go get it guys.
- and do the same when the deal runs out, I've done it many times.fadein11
- I will for sureBennn
- Somone I know spend many minutes on chat and then on phone to get the deal, he said it wasnt easy. it was pretty quick for me.Bennn
- Some commented that it depends on who you're stumbling on when you contact them. Its like a lottery.Bennn
- You cats paying 12 months all in / yearly OR the "drifter" package / monthly?
Curious...ideaist - Don't they only do monthly?formed
- lol, the guy who constantly trashes Adobe and says he'll stop using it? :)NBQ00
- PAY YOUR PROTECTION MONIES BITCHEShans_glib
- chat partner was a botuan
- YAY~~~ no more pirated version for benn! :Dpango
- ;-PBennn
- it can be pay monthly but its a year contract. the purely pay monthly stop at any time is still regular price.microkorg
- set a timer to negotiate a discount 3 month before they renew the subscription in 2020.uan
- Bennn and Adobe need some couples counseling.garbage
- heheBennn
- Thank you! That's almost $500 you saved me over the year. =DmonNom
- cool :)Bennn
- Nairn8
Default File Location: OF COURSE MY FUCKING COMPUTER, FUCK OFF TRYING TO PUSH YOUR POINTLESS CLOUD BULLSHIT LOCK-IN CRAP
- freedom1
CC programs are amazing and have allowed so many people to run businesses from their homes. Everyone uses them.
For $50/mo you have unlimited access. Who can complain about that?
- Bennn.PonyBoy
- the only compliant that we used to own the sftwre, now we rent it and pay for useless stuff for what we think a abetter deal, instead they are slaying ushelloeatbreathedrive
- I feel just the opposite. I appreciate the constant updates and utilize at least 3 apps a day—5+ apps regularly—monthly Apps paid for w/less than 1 hours workPonyBoy
- +1 pony, plus all the other extras included, smaller apps, typekit etc.fadein11
- ya and they opened up typekit so all the fonts are included now. not limited anymore.Gnash
- You guys are brainwashed by a big Corp. Continue to send your money. You fell in the trap. They will continue to raise the price.Bennn
- If I still worked as a designer, I'd pony up. But, at this rate, it would be $20 every time I opened up the software. That's my complaint.section_014
- Bennn, just because you have no understanding of how professionals use the suite doesn't mean they're brainwashed.monospaced
- I'm not surprised this is your outlook, seeing as you are not their audience. I don't blame you, as most non creatives are just as clueless as to its uses.monospaced
- But I'm going to say again ... most creative professionals don't see $50 a month as a burden. It's downright cheap, and less than an hour's work.monospaced
- mono is a wise manformed
- @monospaced
Not if you're selling yourself on freelance.comsoundofreason - @soundofreason, I DID say creative professionals :)monospaced
- Death, taxes AND an Adobe Creative Cloud subscription.
These are the inevitabilities of life.ideaist - can agree... but... if you paid for photoshop in full 10 years ago, and pay subscription now, bit disappointing, all that's different is some bloat...shapesalad
- you still double click a layer to get the dated looking styles, nothing new there or updated. feels a bit of a rip off if you paid £400 back in the day.shapesalad
- you're now just paying for the code to run on latest OS X, and for some bloat feature you use in a blue moon. so it does seem pricey for that.shapesalad
- especially when affinity come out with more modern and faster apps that cost a fraction of an adobe subscription.shapesalad
- there's a lot more to CC than photoshopmonospaced
- It should be noted that the pricing varies a lot; Some have a business price, some have 1-2 year discount. It's currently $60 USD for individual, $80 for Biz.evilpeacock
- And even cheaper for the student version which, if you’re crafty enough you can get_niko
- SimonFFM4
The whole saving process in Photoshop is so odd now:
Save, Save as, Save a copy, Quick export, Quick export as, Export for web, ...
Save as JPG is not possible anymore when there are layers (it used to ask if ok to flatten in the past).
Also I recently get a "Save to cloud" screen first, even though I just want to save locally.
Is Adobe reading this thread?
- affinity photo, just sayinghans_glib
- I really miss Photoshop, if I'm honest. Affinity's useful enough, but there are so many things PS Just Does Better. That said, fuck Adobe.Nairn
- And as Not Great as Designer is, it's utterly unusable for my work as it doesn't handle stroke thicknesses under 0.1pt or something. Useless.Nairn
- And also asset export with its own set of separate conventions. And then legacy output modes. So weird.monospaced
- This is a good point. They really should have one export window with tabs for GIFs, PDFs, layer comps to images, PNGs, etc. All of it.CyBrainX
- Never save, use iPhone to photograph your artwork from the monitor, clients so far haven't noticed. Keep computer running 24/7 and all projects open.shapesalad
- better yet just do a screen capture. Use any free software, and don’t mind how it compresses, nobody will notice.monospaced
- this never made sense to me. I get the idea that "export" is for files other than .psd files and that's what adobe nominally considers as "saving" but that's socherub
- some marketing douche's wet dream. nobody fucking cares adobe. just use the word "save" and drop all the dorky "export" talk.cherub
- They need more options: 'Save export as', 'Slow save mode', 'Export and save a copy', 'Quick save as an export' 'copy as an export' 'save export and copy'shapesalad
- even the most fanatical adobe fanboy has at least heard of non-adobe programs even if they don't use them.cherub
- it should just be save, save as, export. all streamlined, optimised, fast, great ui.shapesalad
- It's the result of too much legacy stacking; e.g. PS can't get rid of "Save for Web..." because it's still the only way to do some things (animated GIF).evilpeacock
- You can change the settings back to a legacy version. That's what I did and it's all fine. But yeah, it's stupid.formed
- I still save for web for most shit.monospaced
- With save as and export as a 500x400px JPG resulted at 20mb. Really time some Adobe dude checks on this.SimonFFM
- monNom6
Black Friday deal on now for Creative Cloud. if you chat to support you can get that deal (40% off) even with an existing subscription. They'll say no initially, but just say a colleague got it and you want the same deal. ask if they can double-check, and they'll send you to tier-2
They can also give you 2 months free along with that discount, I just learned. Took probably 20mins on the chat to save about $400cad for the year.
- I wrote two sentences for this. One I want to quit because I need to get on my feet again. I'm gonna check some alternatives though there are none really.oey_oey
- You don't need to engage them. Just cancel your subscription online and before you can confirm, they'll offer you it at 40% off, automatically. Any time.ETM
- It's easy, and I do it every year now. No need to waste time on live chat etc.ETM
- Aha, noted!monNom
- That's what sort of happened to me, the other years I always come with some story. This year I thought that's just lame.oey_oey
- When I click cancel, I immediately got a support chat window open...I was like what?! and then yes I said one sentence blabla...lame or not fuck it.oey_oey
- weird the black friday one wasnt there but they were happy to give me 2 months free without speaking to anyone - which is pretty much the same discountwoowahesque
- actually no its not. stupid maths.woowahesque
- It's just a bit under half the 29.99/mth discount, woowah... for those of us who already used that 29.99 option in years past we can only get that 2months freePonyBoy
- ...which is still rad <3PonyBoy
- thanks NomNom!! Yup. just asked, was told new customers only, I said please, they said okProjectile
- My pleasure!monNom
- full suite £31, I've been doing this for years.fadein11
- £50 is normal price in UKfadein11